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Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#181. To: Cynicom (#177)
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As I have said here repeatedly, the only presidential candidate I have contributed to this campaign season so far is Ron Paul. (And I made no effort to get my money refunded either, unlike some.) I heard Obama make that statement about restoring habeas corpus in another stump speech he made, when he took his campaign from Iowa to New Hampshire. (That's the same speech that Jeffrey Rosen heard and commented on.) I happened to have C-SPAN Radio on at the time his speech came on. And yes, I admit I was impressed by his statement. I think I even posted a thread here at the time. I know I posted one when he made the same statement when he accepted Dodd's endorsement a few weeks later. Unlike some, I do not have a closed mind.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You think a man who can joke about "bomb bomb Iran" will avoid war with that country?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I've never heard ari say nary a dirty nuanced word about the North American Union...have you? That's the fait accompli that finishes off America for GOOD and the status quo completes it during the next Administration. Rearrange deck chairs on the CFR/D/R Titanic all they'd like, but America is finished and there is no political avenue that will fix it in time unless the corrupt process is broken by force.
There is every reason to be cynical. I see no similarities in the backgrounds and characters of Bush and Obama.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
The difference is that most politicians are scared of raising the issue of habeas corpus. That's why most of them don't.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Someone called the v2.1 "Convenient" Konservatism IIRC...
Ari, you ignore all truths about Obama. He voted for the Patriot Act. We've been through this before. You did not offer me any clarification above my post about Habeus being restored to detainees..only a speech that mentions it. You know, if you want to debate facts, then bring some. While words are nice, I'd like to see where he puts them in action. Thanks anyway..
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
He talked about restoring habeas corpus in general. He didn't say he was restricting that to Guantanamo, and there's no reason to interpret his words that way. But, even if you do, those of us who care about civil liberties would like to see habeas corpus restored even for the detainees at Guantanamo.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Perhaps you are confusing people with "closed minds" with people that have had enough of politics and will no longer follow the ring in our noses. This nation suffered thru eight long years with Clinton, another eight with Bush and you want us to accept the next Johnny come lately being foisted upon us by the system? We arrived at this place in history by voting for lesser of two evils with both evils serving the same master, somehow believing Obama is his own man by people is a valid sign that the government propaganda does indeed work on non thinking people.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
And by that do you suggest I support McCain? I've posted much about Obama's advisors strategy on this. Were you able to connect the dots? Obama is saying what we want to hear, but what is playing out here is a redeployment of troops for a much bigger one. Bigger wider war, more troops.. now THAT is more expensive no? Maybe it is that staying out of Iran is the better thing no matter what else blows up........ Then, with trusty McCain in the Senate, he can vote the funds for it! So, in a way, you could get it all.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Don't interpret for me, I just looked at the legislation brought forward. But, even if you do, those of us who care about civil liberties would like to see habeas corpus restored even for the detainees at Guantanamo. Habeus should be restored for all, so why the limited application in the legislation? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
A 'New World Order' for Conservatives? (McCain - North American Union)
this is an excellent thread with excellent debate absent of personal animous. that makes me happy. ;)
After this country was gang raped by the Clintons and the Bushes it is difficult for me to accept that intelligent Americans are perfectly willing to follow any new Pied Piper that the ruling elite put out front. These people would have you believe that the $2 million a day that rolls in to Obama are coming from Mom and Pop at ten bucks a clip. Right.
There's still time.. ;) JUST KIDDING.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Thanks FOH!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Welcome to the New Communist World Order of One World Communist Monopolists...
I guess some folks will just go ahead and support a North American Unioner...sad.
Nor could they have been, the nation was much younger and not primed for the takedown. That was Clinton's job. Clinton=Bush=Clinton/Obama/McCain
"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson
FOH... I am so olde that I remember when State Government was the people that maintained the roads. The Federal Government was some body of no gooders that inhabited some swampland down in MD and VA. We heard nothing from Washington and very little from the State. We got by on our own. Then along came this countries first "savior" FDR. Now we have the second "savior" Obama.
You're a North American now...
It is. I think it's essentially a done deal except for the currency at this point. A harmonizing of the central banks, into a single entity needs to happen. We can see the pieces being put in place to be ready when the dollar collapses. A lot of acrobatics in that direction it seems to me anyway.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Is there any country that will accept emigrees from NORTH AMERICA?
Ich bin ein North American Unioner.
I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.
The McCain years would be even worse.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
No one here now or in the past has supported McKooK in any fashion.
I agree, but McCain could end up in the WH if enough people do not vote against him.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I couldn't find proof that he was offered tenure several times, as he was not on 'tenure-track'. Apparently in that world, (the law and all) a bunch of people get twisted up over details and know how to spin the wording to prove or disprove this or that. With this though, people are still unpeeling that onion. More on that here: Saturday, March 29, 2008 Obama's never been a "professor of law" nor any full-time or tenure-track legal educator beldar.blogs.com/beldarbl...8/03/obamas-never-be.html
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
A voting record to support that would be nice. As a constitutional lecturer, how does he square with funding an undeclared war, now knowing what he does about the intelligence? As much as his credentials are supposed to prove, he shrinks from his known responsibilities. A leader would lead.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
For me he is a fresher voice then the other two who represent gridlock bickering and an adherence to their own special sorts of gangster-ism and corruption. I am voting for him because he represents the best chance of a decent POTUS. I came out in support more aggressively here primarily to encourage debate on the election that does not involve personal attracts and recriminations simply over one's views on the election and the people involved. I am pleased with how this thread is going by the way, and I am always for civil discussion and lively debate over forum food fights. I have been enjoying your contributions in forum too by the way. Even though we disagree on things, you are an intelligent, educated and thoughtful person with a high political efficacy. And this is something I appreciate.
From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure- track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined. University of Chicago Law School: Statement Regarding Barack Obama. When I was a lecturer at Yale University, I was often given the courtesy title of "Professor." Just as I am entitled to be addressed as "Commander", even though I am only a Lieutenant Commander (retired).
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Maybe it's time to unpeel Romneys little onion too. Hillarys Health Care Sham You know, Hillary, we need to talk. Today you unveiled your shiny new health plan and I have to say that I am wildly underwhelmed. First we need to get something out of the way. For you to proclaim that your plan provides, Universal Health Care is a decided misnomer. Universal Health Insurance might be more like it. Universal Health Care is what they have in England and Canada and Spain and Germany and Japan and, well, every civilized nation in the world but ours. Its single payer health care provided free of charge with no need for interference by a greed-crazed insurance and pharmaceutical industry. Is that so freaking hard to understand?… Hillary Clinton yesterday set out an ambitious $110bn plan to introduce universal healthcare in the US more than 10 years after her earlier failed attempt. And that would be great, if private health insurance in this country didn't already suck for air. Senator, your plan is basically a national version of Republican Mitt Romneys Universal Health Care plan for Massachusetts, which has still left thousands in that state uninsured and even more struggling to make the payments on their new policies, which they are now required to have by law, but which may not pay them one thin dime should they actually become sick or hurt. What you are trying to pass off here as some kind of bold new way forward is just another bureaucratic nightmare in the making, as the already staggeringly inefficient insurance corporations struggle to take on the millions of new clients and patients. That'll work. That'll work just fine for rich people like you and your husband and the Bush family. Is there anybody here who believes that this plan wasn't conceived and dictated to Senator Clinton by passels of high-end lobbyists for the insurance industry? Yeah? Well, I've got some sports memorabilia in a hotel room in Vegas that I'll sell you. No, really, it's mine. We just need to go in there with our guns drawn to get it. Found here: thinkprogress.org/2007/09...leahy-reintroduce-habeas- corpus-restoration-act/#comment-4081633
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Okay commander, Obama was invited to join, but he declined. This too was noted and explained in the link I posted to you. You claimed he was invited several times. Small difference, or just embellishing the fact? Maybe he was under sniper fire?
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Just FYI ping.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Before you crack a joke, you need to read more carefully.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
September 17th, 2007 1:47 pm Before people get all worked about this, let’s take a look at Hillary’s plan. She proposes a government subsidy of $110 billion dollars annually to assist people in affording private insurance. This is sure to grow as the health care corporation find ways of jacking up prices. Essentially, this is throwing more money at our already bloated health care industry. Right now, we spend in excess of 9% GNP on health care in this country. No other Western country spends more than 3% of GNP to provide complete health care for all of it’s citizens. Moreover, our halth care service, as measured against other industriezed countries for quality, doesn’t even make it into the top 20! If we implimented a Scandiavian style system, one with truly universal coverage, we could cover every Amercian citizen under such a plan for about 80 bilion dollars annually and provide better quality care. Ms. Clinton’s involvemenbt of health care corporations in her plan is no different than Dick Cheney’s using energy corporation in his secret task force. Throwing money at corporations for essential services is insane, it is inefficient, it is too expensive, and is ultimately doomed to failure. If you really want (and I do) universal health care coverage, the way to achieve it is to remove private corporation from the process. That would immediately get costs uder control and remove the enormous group of investor parasite that make money off the misery of others. Hillary ought to be ashamed of herself. — Posted by Mike Brooks thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.c...asts-clinton-health-care- plan/#comment-253520 Post #13: “I would also like to note that I am a fully covered working professional, but I still wouldn’t mind paying a few extra tax dollars (should it come to that) to live in a world where my friends and family who work part- time and entry-level jobs can live their lives without having to equate getting sick or having an accident with financial disaster.” — Posted by Ryan Golden (Brooklyn) I do not want my tax dollars used to promote ’socialized warfare’ via the heavily contracted and subsidized Military-Industrial Complex and the corporations that comprise this group. These corporations make huge profits designing ingenious ways to destroy people. Now that’s an uplifting way to spend your time, isn’t it? I similarly don’t care much for the idea of subsidizing the airline industry….socialist ideas at work here? I particularly abhor the welfare payments called foreign aid entitlements that are used as a tool for control around the world. The welfare countries that operate with their palms up for the US to fill with our tax dollars is repulsive to me. That is socialized government. How about the subsidization of corporations that operate illegally offshore and continually cook their books in clever accounting tricks? The government looks the other way on this club. The Cayman Islands??? Isn’t that a nice vacation spot? No one that I know is advocating FREE health care. What people are finding is that a single-payer, not-for-profit, universal health system needs to be built here in the US. I’m quite convinced that American minds, unfettered by the chains of corporate influence by private insurers (who really aren’t in the biz of providing care, rather they’re in the business of denying care to maximize their profits) can devise a sensible, fair system of health care that can and will provide essential health care for all our citizens. I would like to see this as a priority. Only when this item is taken care of, do we even consider the ‘applications’ of foreign governments for ‘help’ in holding up their governments. Let them fend for themselves while we right our sinking ship of state, first and foremost. I don’t want to read or hear one more suggestion by any candidate re: 56.September 18th, 2007 9:06 am Tiflitis at Post 50, really sums up how many physicians feel today. They are squeezed from all sides. They can no longer determine how patient care is delivered when they are second-guessed by some clerk in another state. The red-tape, insurance forms, and administrative help that is required to run a practice today is overwhelming. This is a direct result of Nixon’s ideas brought to birth through the creation of ‘managed care.’ Mananged by whom? All we heard then was how this was the panacea to solve all the problems of health care. This would be the dawn of a new age in medicine. This would surely solve the problems of having arrogant doctors think for one second that they actually know how to diagnose and treat disease. It would also solve the irritating problem of the public actually have access to a doctor they liked and who could offer them treatments and care, as well as alternative plans of disease managment. Why, the nerve of them…the absolute effrontery of physicians to disagree with some private insurance customer service rep. in an obscure outpost office. Imagine that doctors actually want to care for their patients in ways they deem appropriate! People get sick? This is not allowed by private ‘insurers’ because they are not interested in providing care, they are only concerned with disqualifying people through loopholes like “pre-existing conditions” and maximizing their own profit margins. Health care is expensive, because people get sick…face it. It is not an area of “business’ like manufacturing widgets, it is far too personal. This whole debate is nauseating. How about all Americans receiving a plan similar to the one our Congress offers to its members? Exactly the same. How about it? 57.September 18th, 2007 11:58 am All the plans are politically unattainable. We need something simple like the Healthcare Access Card suggested at www.healthcaresoundoff.com 58.September 18th, 2007 5:13 pm tiflitis @ 50 Thanks for your insights as a medical professional. The leading candidates’ plans do nothing to address the real problem which is created by the insurance companies. Those that will allow anyone other than their physician to make decisions for their health care based on profit margins really needs a mental health professional which is obvious their health plan does not cover. HRC’s plan just perpetuates the current disjointed system. I would suggest everyone who intends to vote based on this issue to ask the opinion of their personal physician whom they should trust more than a politician. I know from personal experience that making sure our medical claims are reimbursed by the insurance is a full time job for my wife. Most of the doctors we use keep on dropping the insurances and will only take direct payment, which puts the patient at the mercy of the insurance companies. I can safely bet I am not the only one that has tousled with an insurance company and it is usually over the same thing - procedures which are not covered, medications which are not on their preferred list, lost claims, incorrectly processed claims, layers and layers of bureaucracy, etc…. and all along the premiums keep on rising and the coverage keeps on decreasing. So for anyone that believes the “market approach” is working I ask - working for whom? Cheers, — Posted by Romulo 59.September 18th, 2007 5:20 pm hacp @ 43 The insurance companies may have trashed the '93 plan, and will for sure try to trash any plan that tries to separate them from the teat, but if a president decided to push health care reform to benefit the populace instead of the insurances, who would you back? Now remember, the insurance companies rely on your belief that the system cannot be changed Cheers, — Posted by Romulo "The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
There is no proof that he was offered tenure several times.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Monday I'm going to a hearing at the state capitol for AJR 51. It is non binding but calls for the repeal of Real ID.
No proof, that is, if you don't find an official statement by the University of Chicago Law School to be evidence enough. Oh, I see, you're objecting that he was only offered tenure-track positions, not tenure. I suppose that's true. I stand corrected. I was somewhat inaccurate. Yes, I misremembered. But Obama was not inaccurate, and my point stands that the University of Chicago clearly thought highly of Obama as a professor.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Good of you to admit your reading comprehension sometimes is lacking. I have been telling you about that for some time. Ahem.
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#182. To: Peppa (#180)
If Iran is averted, it's not like our costs are going down now is it?
#183. To: Cynicom (#177)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#184. To: Cynicom (#179)
#185. To: Cynicom (#179)
I recall Bush and his "compassionate conservatism" and "follow the Constitution"...
#186. To: Cynicom (#179)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#187. To: aristeides (#176)
ROFLMAO! Quite an argument.
#188. To: Peppa (#187)
#189. To: aristeides (#181)
Unlike some, I do not have a closed mind.
#190. To: Cynicom (#179)
#191. To: aristeides (#182)
(Edited)
You think a man who can joke about "bomb bomb Iran" will avoid war with that country?
#192. To: aristeides (#188)
He talked about restoring habeas corpus in general. He didn't say he was restricting that to Guantanamo, and there's no reason to interpret his words that way.
#193. To: Cynicom (#189)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#194. To: aristeides, Peppa, robin, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, ghostdogtxn, Ferret Mike, ALL (#189)
#195. To: FOH (#183)
#196. To: christine (#194)
this is an excellent thread with excellent debate absent of personal animous. that makes me happy. ;)
#197. To: FOH (#178)
I don't care to see what B.O., Hitlery OR McTraitor are going to do and doubt we'll get the opportunity to chat about it before long. meant to PiNg you!
#198. To: Cynicom (#195)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#199. To: Peppa (#197)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#200. To: robin (#139)
(Edited)
The Clinton years were bad, they were awful, but not as bad as the Bush years.
#201. To: FOH (#198)
Welcome to the New Communist World Order of One World Communist Monopolists...
#202. To: Cynicom (#201)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#203. To: FOH (#199)
I guess some folks will just go ahead and support a North American Unioner...sad.
#204. To: FOH (#202)
You're a North American now...
#205. To: FOH (#199)
#206. To: angle (#200)
#207. To: robin (#206)
The McCain years would be even worse.
#208. To: Cynicom (#207)
#209. To: aristeides, cynicom (#166)
He hasn't just taught the Constitution at probably the most conservative major law school in the country, the University of Chicago, he was repeatedly offered tenure there. (He didn't take it, because he didn't want to teach full-time.)
#210. To: aristeides (#162)
Obama, the civil libertarian.
#211. To: Jethro Tull (#154)
"What separates Obama from the others? This is the argument we've been having since RP did his duck and cover."
Obama for president 2008
#212. To: Peppa (#209)
(Edited)
The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."
#213. To: All (#210)
Found this interesting post re: Universal Healthcare.. thought I would share.
#214. To: aristeides (#212)
Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
#215. To: JT, Hayek Fan, universal healthcare interested (#213)
#216. To: Peppa (#214)
Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
#217. To: All (#213)
Another interesting take on Universal Healthcare:
Here are a number of excellent posts regarding the issue, if you care to continue reading through them.
55.September 18th, 2007 8:49 am
Well said, my friend. I wouldn’t mind paying a few extra bucks either…that’s called community operating in the best interests of everybody. Tax dollars and receipts do NOT belong to the government…they are public funds that belong to the people who paid these taxes. That would be you and me. For those who insist that tax dollars and the federal government that takes them from us, shouldn’t be spending federal money on things like single payer, not for profit health care, I would ask you why you believe that this money is somehow ‘largesse’ from the government. It is not….it is our money, to be spent how WE, the people decide it will be spent. Government doesn’t have the right to exist in a democracy, unless it reflects and serves the will and the interests of the people, who ARE the government. Has everybody forgot their grade school civics lessons?
1. tax credits 2. tax subsidies as an incentive to buy insurance from these private insurance companies that are no better than professional pirates. 3. any involvement that uses the old model of private health companies like Kaiser-permanente, United, or the rest. Those companies must have their fangs removed from our new healthcare paradigm. Otherwise, we are wasting time and there is NOT going to be any change.
— Posted by Peter G.
— Posted by Mary Adams
— Posted by Steve Schuster
#218. To: aristeides (#216)
Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined. Before you crack a joke, you need to read more carefully.
#219. To: FOH, *California list* (#172)
Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama
#220. To: Peppa (#218)
There is no proof that he was offered tenure several times.
#221. To: aristeides (#220)
I stand corrected.
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