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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 5647
Comments: 259

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I doubt Obama is electable in the fall, but I KNOW Hillary isn't.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-07   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   9:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't get the impression there was a big surge for Obama when I was in the southeast part of the state around Easter. It was non-stop MSM politics. People are sick of it.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god."

Fortunately you don't have to be a "guilt laden White" to know he is the best candidate of the three the system offers. I could of re-registered as a Democrat to vote for him in the primary, but I didn't. I am a Green, not a Democrat. I ultimately want someone fare better then Obama to be POTUS; someone who doesn't belong to either half of the current one party running things.

The system is co-opted and broken. It does not run as the founders intended and has become owned by too few of the wrong people. But I will vote for the least objectionable candidate and keep hoping that martial law and a war against "American insurgents" doesn't develop.

I vote for the candidate I feel is the most vulnerable to pressure from dissidents to make right choices. I got over thinking I would see a competent POTUS that is the true choice of the American people in an unmanipulated election long ago.

I put my choice out here mostly in response to bullying of people supporting Obama and ad hominem attacks against them instead of people arguing in good faith without the character assassination.

As far as race goes, it's importance has always been over exaggerated. When I look at any person I see a human being first and foremost. Race is only as important as bigotry drives it to be, nothing more.

I am glad he is doing so well in Pennsylvania, but I don't trust the system and won't believe it until I see the tallies come in. I believe McCain will get the same manipulate the vote attempt at a win Bush got twice and which was used to marginalized and neutralize Ron Paul whom I would very much support over Obama despite strong ideological differences I have with him.

If those in power could no longer twist the result of the election, then Bush would keep it from happening, they do not intend on giving up power without a fight. And if Obama gets in and shows the same fierce independence and unwillingness to accede to the desires of this shadow government group running things, they would shoot him just as brutally and quickly as they did John Kennedy.

I know how unstable and volatile the situation is. But I am going to stay in there nominally supporting the process going on, because when and if the facade comes off and martial law is declared I want to survive the first round-ups of people to the FEMA camps. And I want to make sure I do because my core notion is the Constitution and the ideas behind it should not ever go quietly.

I am prepared to survive, and to fight for what I believe. But I am not going to belittle and browbeat people still trying to make the system work. Working through problems and bringing elections back to the people for them to make the choice is preferable to seeing martial law and an insurgency develop with people dying and imprisoned as they try to keep the revolution of 1776 alive.

That is why I take the stance I do. It isn't because Obama has African heritage to him. Race and gender should never keep someone from being president, conversely they should never be elected solely to put someone of a different race and gender then has been in that office either.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-08   14:03:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What separates Obama from the others? This is the argument we've been having since RP did his duck and cover.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   14:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"What separates Obama from the others? This is the argument we've been having since RP did his duck and cover."

For me he is a fresher voice then the other two who represent gridlock bickering and an adherence to their own special sorts of gangster-ism and corruption.

I am voting for him because he represents the best chance of a decent POTUS. I came out in support more aggressively here primarily to encourage debate on the election that does not involve personal attracts and recriminations simply over one's views on the election and the people involved.

I am pleased with how this thread is going by the way, and I am always for civil discussion and lively debate over forum food fights.

I have been enjoying your contributions in forum too by the way. Even though we disagree on things, you are an intelligent, educated and thoughtful person with a high political efficacy. And this is something I appreciate.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-08   16:10:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks Mike. I'm certain you have me confused with someone else tho :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   19:14:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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