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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 3967
Comments: 259

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I doubt Obama is electable in the fall, but I KNOW Hillary isn't.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-07   17:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   9:37:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't get the impression there was a big surge for Obama when I was in the southeast part of the state around Easter. It was non-stop MSM politics. People are sick of it.

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

It seems we have a lot of them here.

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:19:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   11:51:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?

It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.

There is no guilt involved, just fear and anger of the CABAL currently led by the Bush Regime.

You may have noticed, the ZioNazis don't like Obama. Why? If he is just like McCain, why don't they like Obama?

Did you see the thread last night? T-shirts made in Israel that say "Who killed Obama?"
Israeli designs 'Who killed Barack Obama?' T-shirts

Like Buchanan said, "McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi".

I don't know where this nonsense about guilt originated.

robin  posted on  2008-04-08   12:17:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.

For reasons I don't understand you've chosen to ignore countless articles detailing O's foreign policy as one that is closely aligned with the other two candidates. Obama's redeployment is to other ME nations and his adoption of the recommendations in the Iraqi Study Group, and the endorsement of it's co-chair Lee Hamilton, sounds like an endorsement of Obama as a custodian of continued homeland security (see Hamilton's 911 investigation).

So, given this, some white guilt is a reasonable assumption for me at least.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For reasons I don't understand you've chosen to ignore countless articles detailing O's foreign policy as one that is closely aligned with the other two candidates.

You're ignoring the other major difference between Obama and the other candidates: civil liberties. Obama repeatedly calls for restoring habeas corpus in his speeches. The other candidates do not do that.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   14:03:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama repeatedly calls for restoring habeas corpus in his speeches. The other candidates do not do that.

My understanding is that he wants it restored for Gitmo detainees, as described here:

In an e-mail to supporters, Sens. Chris Dodd (D-CT) and Patrick Leahy (D-VT) announced that they were reintroducing the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act as an amendment to a defense authorization bill today. Last fall’s Military Commissions Act stripped detainees charged as enemy combatants of their right of habeas corpus. Watch Dodd introduce the bill on the Senate floor today:

thinkprogress.org/2007/09...eintroduce-habeas-corpus- restoration-act/

I can't assume he means for all of us at this point. Do you have a reference?

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   14:26:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We know it’s time to time to restore our Constitution and the rule of law. This is an issue that was at the heart of Senator Dodd’s candidacy, and I share his passion for restoring the balance between the security we demand and the civil liberties that we cherish.

The American people must be able to trust that their president values principle over politics, and justice over unchecked power. I’ve been proud to stand with Senator Dodd in his fight against retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry. Secrecy and special interests must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens – and set an example to the world – that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient. Because in America – no one is above the law.

It’s time to reject torture without equivocation. It’s time to close Guantanamo and to restore habeas corpus. It’s time to give our intelligence and law enforcement agencies the tools they need to track down and take out terrorists, while ensuring that their actions are subject to vigorous oversight that protects our freedom. So let me be perfectly clear: I have taught the Constitution, I understand the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution when I am President of the United States.

From Obama's speech accepting Dodd's endorsement (late February).

Google "Obama" and "habeas corpus" and you will find repeated statements made by him, starting in the Senate debate in 2006 on the habeas corpus issue.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   14:33:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have taught the Constitution, I understand the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution when I am President of the United States.

Oh golly, that just makes me warm and fuzzy all over.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   14:37:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He hasn't just taught the Constitution at probably the most conservative major law school in the country, the University of Chicago, he was repeatedly offered tenure there. (He didn't take it, because he didn't want to teach full-time.)

Don't you think his fellow law professors there knew something?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   14:41:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He hasn't just taught the Constitution at probably the most conservative major law school in the country, the University of Chicago, he was repeatedly offered tenure there. (He didn't take it, because he didn't want to teach full-time.)

I couldn't find proof that he was offered tenure several times, as he was not on 'tenure-track'. Apparently in that world, (the law and all) a bunch of people get twisted up over details and know how to spin the wording to prove or disprove this or that. With this though, people are still unpeeling that onion. More on that here:

Saturday, March 29, 2008

Obama's never been a "professor of law" nor any full-time or tenure-track legal educator

beldar.blogs.com/beldarbl...8/03/obamas-never-be.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   15:57:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure- track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

University of Chicago Law School: Statement Regarding Barack Obama.

When I was a lecturer at Yale University, I was often given the courtesy title of "Professor." Just as I am entitled to be addressed as "Commander", even though I am only a Lieutenant Commander (retired).

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   16:10:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

Okay commander, Obama was invited to join, but he declined. This too was noted and explained in the link I posted to you. You claimed he was invited several times. Small difference, or just embellishing the fact? Maybe he was under sniper fire?

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   16:16:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

Before you crack a joke, you need to read more carefully.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   16:35:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined. Before you crack a joke, you need to read more carefully.

There is no proof that he was offered tenure several times.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   16:40:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There is no proof that he was offered tenure several times.

No proof, that is, if you don't find an official statement by the University of Chicago Law School to be evidence enough.

Oh, I see, you're objecting that he was only offered tenure-track positions, not tenure. I suppose that's true. I stand corrected.

I was somewhat inaccurate. Yes, I misremembered. But Obama was not inaccurate, and my point stands that the University of Chicago clearly thought highly of Obama as a professor.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   16:46:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No proof, that is, if you don't find an official statement by the University of Chicago Law School to be evidence enough.

And did you read the link I provided above about that?

Oh, I see, you're objecting that he was only offered tenure-track positions, not tenure. I suppose that's true. I stand corrected.

I only object when people embellish the facts. The facts are the facts, and apparently the legal community likes to make sure they're right, especially when it's about them.

I was somewhat inaccurate. Yes, I misremembered. But Obama was not inaccurate, and my point stands that the University of Chicago clearly thought highly of Obama as a professor.

That's okay. There's no argument so far that people consider lecturers, 'professors' UofChicago.

As a lecturer or professor on the Constitution, I'd expect to see his positions closer to Ron Paul, yet, despite his education, and respect given as a lecturer, his PERSONAL politics are contrary to it. I did read that he considers the Constitution a living document. So, if that is true then, his politics support that. He sort of picks and chooses what he likes about it.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   16:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And did you read the link I provided above about that?

Yes, and I consider an official statement by the University of Chicago Law School to be better evidence. Especially when it happens to coincide with my own experience as a lecturer at Yale.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   16:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Especially when it happens to coincide with my own experience as a lecturer at Yale.

I drove by Yale once, they told me to keep moving.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   16:59:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I drove by Yale once, they told me to keep moving.

That's a good idea. They got coffins there and like to have sex in them. Weird bunch I tell you.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-09   6:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Weird bunch I tell you.

Yes indeed.

You are at a social gathering of uppity people, most are unknown to each other. One person "attended" Yale, how will you know who that person is?

Not to worry, they will tell you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-09   8:08:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I only mentioned I was a lecturer at Yale because it was relevant to the discussion of Obama's academic status. Are we not supposed to present evidence of our personal experiences when they are relevant to a discussion?

I bet you can't find a single other posting of mine here where I mentioned that item in my history.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-09   10:23:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I only mentioned I was a lecturer at Yale because it was relevant to the discussion of Obama's academic status. Are we not supposed to present evidence of our personal experiences when they are relevant to a discussion?

Ari...

I did not see its relevancy. My error.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-09   13:53:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cyni,

The entire exchange between you and ari should go like this:

ari: "I've lectured at Yale. Have you?"

Cyni: "No, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-09   14:15:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ari: "I've lectured at Yale. Have you?"

You missed my point, which was that, although I was just a lecturer, I was often addressed by the courtesy title of "Professor". I mentioned Yale to suggest the analogy with the University of Chicago, which I suspect has similar customs.

Trust you to miss my point.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-09   14:17:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just joshing around.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-09   14:21:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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