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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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Views: 3972
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There may not be enough guilt laden whites out there, but how many bloodthirsty warmongers are left?

Plenty in both so called "parties".

We received next to zilch support here for Ron Paul, the only non war monger, but all of a sudden the Obama chorus is loud and clear. Very odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sure. I'm voting for the black guy because of my "guilt"...

Well, at least you admit it.

Score one for you.

This talk about "war mongering" is just that, talk. a smoke screen to justify voting a guilty conscience because none of the three will end the war. NONE. You know that as well as others.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

Cyni,

The Cleansed Ones claim a special political insight that ignores the black dual standard. As part of their guilt they willingly accept a seat on the back of the same bus Rosa Park rode. Take pity; their warm and fuzzy feeling will soon be replaced by shock when their kids become the brunt of the insanity they embrace.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Geeze. You make me sad, Cyni. You really do.

ghost...

You raised the "war mongering" issue.

Paul was the only man that would have ended the war, yet 4um gave next to zero support. Now all of a sudden we justify supporting Obama because he is not a warmonger????

Yet openly he says we need to move more troops into Afghanistan. why is that ghost, for what useful purpose????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

O please. Why don't you just come on out and say you'd never vote for a black guy and be done with it. You're about as opaque as a sheet of glass.

And how opaque are the blacks that will 99 per cent vote for Obama because he is black..

Lets here what you have to say about them being racist, bigots or opaque'.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How come he's winning in white states in the midwest, then?

Ah....because it's a D-selection process? When the rational thinkers in this nation are introduced to the real Hussein Obama (read my tag line), this selection will look like a George McGovern v Nixon event.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why don't you just come on out and say you'd never vote for a black guy and be done with it.

Ah.......that would be because I refuse to vote.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This "reverse racism" card you guys continuously play, why does it never come out unless there's a black running for office? It's bullshit, that's why.

So state sanctioned reverse racism doesn't exist?

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WTF are you talking about? 4um gave Ron Paul tons of support,

rah rah cheer leading does not count, money received counts. Obama received 2 million per day with little effort.

Now we seem to understand from whence it came.

" As for the troops in Afghanistan, it's a stupid move, a blunder,

Lets discuss that part, have you given it any thot as to WHY Obama would want more troops in Afghanistan???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then quit bitching about the result.

Who's bitching?

White liberals have always provided me with an endless source of amusement.

Please continue.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This "reverse racism"

Jethro

ghost does not want to discuss the millions of blacks that will vote Obama because he is black. I find that odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd say it no more exists than good old fashioned racism.

Your non-answers are funny :)

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP

would it be wrong to pray for that?

I think so. Praying for enemies to change would be OK though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ghost does not want to discuss the millions of blacks that will vote Obama because he is black. I find that odd.

The Cleansed Ones aren't capable of logical, direct discussion. In order for their universe to make sense, certain realities must be either ignored or rejected as racist.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As part of their guilt they willingly accept a seat on the back of the same bus Rosa Park rode. Take pity; their warm and fuzzy feeling will soon be replaced by shock when their kids become the brunt of the insanity they embrace.

Remember Obama said he was a member of the “Joshua generation,” whose challenge is to complete the work of the “Moses generation,” specifically with respect to the rights of African-Americans.

We should put a list of questions together and submit before their next debate.

His position on mandatory 'service' needs some clarification. He supports 65K more troops and a redeployment plan, so does his committment to withdraw troops carry a deadline?

December 5, 2007, 2:08 pm

Obama Issues Call for Public Service

By Jeff Zeleny

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/obama-issues-call-for-public- service/

MT. VERNON, Iowa – Senator Barack Obama implored young Americans “to step into the currents of history,” by not only supporting his presidential candidacy, but committing to form a new generation of public service.

In a speech here today at Cornell College, Mr. Obama said he would seek to restore America’s standing in the world by doubling the size of the Peace Corps, increasing the strength of the Foreign Service and creating a national network – modeled after Craigslist – to connect volunteers to areas of need across the country.

“I won’t just ask for your vote as a candidate, I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States,” Mr. Obama said, drawing applause and a standing ovation from hundreds of students and residents of this eastern Iowa town. “This will not be a call issued in one speech or program, this will be a cause of my presidency.”

Before presenting his proposals calling for a renewed commitment to national service, Mr. Obama was endorsed by Harris Wofford, a former senator from Pennsylvania who helped form the Peace Corps during his time in the Kennedy administration. As he introduced Mr. Obama to the crowd, Mr. Wofford said he had not felt as inspired “since the days of John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King.” “Barack Obama has picked up the torch that they lit,” Mr. Wofford said.

In his speech here, Mr. Obama also proposed to:

* Expand AmeriCorps from 75,000 slots to 250,000 slots and establish five new “corps,” including: Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps and Homeland Security Corps.

* Increase the engagement of retired Americans in volunteer service.

* Establish a goal of having students in middle school and high school contribute at least 50 hours a year to community service

* Create a new American Opportunity Tax Credit to ensure the first $4,000 of a college education is free for Americans willing to complete 100 hours of public service a year.

With four weeks remaining in the Iowa caucus campaign, Mr. Obama is aggressively courting college students and residents of college communities across the state. Today’s stop at Cornell College is one of five stops on college campus over a two-day stretch of campaigning.

“This is one of those rare windows that don’t come around very often, maybe once in a generation,” Mr. Obama said. “As you get older, you get more set in your ways, you come to just assume that the world as it is, is the world as it must be. At your age, you’re still in the position to imagine what it might be. You are in the position to be the lever by which we move in a different direction.”

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He supports 65K more troops and a redeployment plan,

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

When Obama spoke of sending more troops to Afghanistan, that was not Obama speaking, that was his handlers putting words into his mouth.

There is a reason to add troops to Afghanistan but not to look for Osama.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ghost does not want to discuss the millions of blacks that will vote Obama because he is black. I find that odd.

Any intelligent person knows that if he wasn't half black he wouldn't even be considered for President of the USA by the elite. Americans didn't pick this guy, mainstream media did, just like they picked the rest of the candidates. Americans are easily fooled by the talking heads on TV. That's why we will be destroyed as a nation. Too many Americans are easily fooled.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why would I pay attention to anything a self professed Democrat would say to me? The mere fact that you have an association w/that wing of the Party tells me you have the political acumen of a bowling ball.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does

Obama's 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Foreign Policy is 85% liberal, 12% conservative. (2005: 76% liberal, 15% conservative.) [39]

His first major speech on foreign policy was delivered on April 23, 2007 to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. He identified the problems the current foreign policy has caused, and the five ways America can lead again, focused on "common security", "common humanity", and remaining "a beacon of freedom and justice for the world":[40]

"Bringing a responsible end" to the war in Iraq and refocusing on the broader region.

"Building the first truly 21st century military and showing wisdom in how we deploy it."

"Marshalling a global effort" to secure, destroy, and stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

"Rebuild and construct the alliances and partnerships necessary to meet common challenges and confront common threats," including climate change.

"Invest in our common humanity" through foreign aid and supporting the "pillars of a sustainable democracy – a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force."

During the speech Obama called for an expansion of the United States Armed Forces "by adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines", an idea introduced by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

In an address on national security to the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars on August 1, 2007, Obama stated that as President he would consider military action in Pakistan in order to attack al-Qaeda, even if the Pakistani government did not give approval.[41] Obama said, "I will not hesitate to use military force to take out terrorists who pose a direct threat to America."[42] He also said "As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations".[43]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol...ack_Obama#Network_neutral ity_and_government_use_of_information_technology

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You know something? I never heard ANYONE from the Ron Paul campaign bitching that they didn't have enough money. Did you?

ghost... You be telling on yourself. LOL

Anyone that contributed to Paul was bombarded day after day begging for more money, I received as many as three a day.

Even after Paul took a dive, I received daily requests for money for his run for the Senate seat in Texas.

So once again ghost, you be tellin on yourself here in public.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

, dumbass.

Lets not get into that again.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

When Obama spoke of sending more troops to Afghanistan, that was not Obama speaking, that was his handlers putting words into his mouth.

There is a reason to add troops to Afghanistan but not to look for Osama.

Yes, I understood what he meant. That dance was played upon the public that voted the dems in to end the war..

No, we're not going to Afgh, or Pak, for Osama... we are going for 'interests'.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks, Peppa. Glad to see someone around here at least does some work!

-much love.

Just trying to keep his positions straight is a full time job.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

As the late Paul Harvey was fond of saying, "Here is the rest of the story."

I didn't know Obama's full plan until I poked around and found the material. He bought the Iraqi Study Group's plan, lock, stock and barrel. And that plan, BTW, was hatched from an Israeli one that was developed in '82. Little did I know by simply offering it w/o comment, some would take offense.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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