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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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Why would I pay attention to anything a self professed Democrat would say to me? The mere fact that you have an association w/that wing of the Party tells me you have the political acumen of a bowling ball.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does

Obama's 2006 rating by the Almanac of American Politics (2008) on Foreign Policy is 85% liberal, 12% conservative. (2005: 76% liberal, 15% conservative.) [39]

His first major speech on foreign policy was delivered on April 23, 2007 to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. He identified the problems the current foreign policy has caused, and the five ways America can lead again, focused on "common security", "common humanity", and remaining "a beacon of freedom and justice for the world":[40]

"Bringing a responsible end" to the war in Iraq and refocusing on the broader region.

"Building the first truly 21st century military and showing wisdom in how we deploy it."

"Marshalling a global effort" to secure, destroy, and stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction.

"Rebuild and construct the alliances and partnerships necessary to meet common challenges and confront common threats," including climate change.

"Invest in our common humanity" through foreign aid and supporting the "pillars of a sustainable democracy – a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force."

During the speech Obama called for an expansion of the United States Armed Forces "by adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines", an idea introduced by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

In an address on national security to the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars on August 1, 2007, Obama stated that as President he would consider military action in Pakistan in order to attack al-Qaeda, even if the Pakistani government did not give approval.[41] Obama said, "I will not hesitate to use military force to take out terrorists who pose a direct threat to America."[42] He also said "As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations".[43]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol...ack_Obama#Network_neutral ity_and_government_use_of_information_technology

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You know something? I never heard ANYONE from the Ron Paul campaign bitching that they didn't have enough money. Did you?

ghost... You be telling on yourself. LOL

Anyone that contributed to Paul was bombarded day after day begging for more money, I received as many as three a day.

Even after Paul took a dive, I received daily requests for money for his run for the Senate seat in Texas.

So once again ghost, you be tellin on yourself here in public.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

, dumbass.

Lets not get into that again.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:52:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

When Obama spoke of sending more troops to Afghanistan, that was not Obama speaking, that was his handlers putting words into his mouth.

There is a reason to add troops to Afghanistan but not to look for Osama.

Yes, I understood what he meant. That dance was played upon the public that voted the dems in to end the war..

No, we're not going to Afgh, or Pak, for Osama... we are going for 'interests'.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks, Peppa. Glad to see someone around here at least does some work!

-much love.

Just trying to keep his positions straight is a full time job.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:54:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

As the late Paul Harvey was fond of saying, "Here is the rest of the story."

I didn't know Obama's full plan until I poked around and found the material. He bought the Iraqi Study Group's plan, lock, stock and barrel. And that plan, BTW, was hatched from an Israeli one that was developed in '82. Little did I know by simply offering it w/o comment, some would take offense.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama as dem candidate brings us McKooK, Americans lose regardless who wins.

The fact that there are people on this forum arguing over which puppet they prefer is really quite disturbing. I really thought most of the members of this forum were above that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then stop pinging me, dumbass.

Even more funny from a Democrat?

This must be my lucky day. Thanks :)

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The fact that there are people on this forum arguing over which puppet they prefer is really quite disturbing.

Ricky.....they're Democrats. Think of all the Republican cultists on tFR. These creatures among us are just as goofy. Don't take them seriously, they're here for our amusement as is anyone holding Party ties at this late stage of the game.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   11:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I really thought most of the members of this forum were above that.

I among others considered ourselves to be Americans, no longer party believers, no longer conservative or liberal, rather Americans for America.

As suspected this was untrue as it became apparent that the only unifying aspect was that we all hated Bush and friends.

Now the liberal democrats come crawling out of the woodwork from their hidey hole to express support for Obama directly and for Clinton by extension.

It is going to be interesting when Obama is willing to become VP candidate with Clinton in charge. These same people will in fact justify their votes for Clinton because of Obama.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this has been a debate only since the departure of Ron Paul. where are the large number of 4um's Paulites? if i may venture a guess. they're hopeless, burnt out, and have given up on politics.

christine  posted on  2008-04-08   11:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have always thought of myself as a Texan first and then an American.

Right now would be an opportune moment for Texas to become a republic again.

The problem is that then the leaders thereof would immediately begin trying to conquer the world just as the "leaders" this state sent to D.C. are doing. This is the fatal flaw of the Texan. He worships violence for violence's sake.

Texas right now is one of the few states not in a recession. It's always been this way. I remember in the second half of the 1980s Texas being in a damned depression and the national media were constantly crowing about how it was boom times everywhere.

Everywhere but here and a few other states of the "Oil Patch."

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-08   11:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

going against the first really 21st century candidate. It doesn't matter whether you like Obama or not, you have to look objectively at his machine. He's built the slickest political machine in living memory

Frankly, I'm shocked to see you drinking the kool-aid. Not that I have any political accumen.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

would it be wrong to pray for that?

Yes.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Little did I know by simply offering it w/o comment, some would take offense.

Any discussion of Obama's statements or votes appears to be offensive. Such scrutiny is racist.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have always thought of myself as a Texan first and then an American.

Right now would be an opportune moment for Texas to become a republic again.

Sam...

Well sir, you are one up on me.

Texans fought on the morally right side during the Civil War and America lost.

My ancestors fought for the blue bellies, so I try not to think of them. In my behalf however, my older ancestors fought and died in the Revolution, they were the good guys and America won.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I disagree about Texas being on the right side of that war. My namesake tried to convince Texans not to join the Confederacy.

He was on record back then as saying he would rather the state go it alone as a republic again rather than join the doomed C.S.A. and, yes, he predicted its doom even before it began.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-08   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this has been a debate only since the departure of Ron Paul. where are the large number of 4um's Paulites? if i may venture a guess. they're hopeless, burnt out, and have given up on politics.

Well, I think it became the debate when a few RP supporters used the Trotsky letter come out for Obama, and it happened in one post. That came as a shock to me, and perhaps to others as well. From a constitutionalist to a marxist/big government/redistributionist/commie and liar defies logic and perhaps intellect. I really don't think much time was spent on Obama before that, and McCain and Clinton were known entities, so it I guess it became important to learn about Obama, as he was the next best thing to Paul on the War, or was he?

It's not about RP anymore, though I sure hope for a miracle, I'm a realist, or I try to be.

I've seen a number of posts now that have expressed the same confusion about posters that jumped on the O-train... And, I have asked several times, for a case to be made to vote FOR Obama. No takers. Just spin and accusations that 'we' must want McCain. How they make that trip, I don't know either.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

where are the large number of 4um's Paulites? if i may venture a guess. they're hopeless, burnt out, and have given up on politics.

They are in remisiion as this "much ado about nothing" unfolds.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

Troops in Afghanistan. There is a reason they are there, there is a reason Obama was told that was his position. Obamas military expertise is totally lacking so that proposal is not his military strategy.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I disagree about Texas being on the right side of that war

My opinion is that if the South had won the Civil War, Texas would not be in the position they now hold.

Secession would be nice about now.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that proposal is not his military strategy

It's his miltary strategy if they say it's his military strategy.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Troops in Afghanistan. There is a reason they are there, there is a reason Obama was told that was his position. Obamas military expertise is totally lacking so that proposal is not his military strategy.

And it is explained here:

www.federaljack.com/modul...News&file=article&si d=659

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Welcome to politics.

Thank you.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's his miltary strategy if they say it's his military strategy.

You peeked and saw Brzezinski behind the curtain?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Zbig did not mention that the reason he wants to downplay certain aspects of US aggression in the Middle East is to free up resources for use in the much bigger and more dangerous adventures which the Trilateral Commission is now directing.

As usual you did you homework and this quote is correct.

Many people here refuse to look beyond Iraq, at what is unfolding before their eyes, much larger affairs are in the works by this government and it has 'not a damned thing to do with party politics".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP

would it be wrong to pray for that

Only if, as events unfold, it doesn't shake your faith.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-08   11:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's one of the many articles that were posted last week that you missed.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=77477&Disp=40#C40

note Obama's reference to 911

christine  posted on  2008-04-08   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Any discussion of Obama's statements or votes appears to be offensive. Such scrutiny is racist.

This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   11:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As usual you did you homework and this quote is correct.

Thank you.

Many people here refuse to look beyond Iraq, at what is unfolding before their eyes, much larger affairs are in the works by this government and it has 'not a damned thing to do with party politics".

I can only conclude, it's about perceived freebies. As our abilities to fund the government are eliminated, we sit with a $9T debt, the entitlement Titanic pointed straight at us, and never ending wars are declared, one wonders, how are we going to pay for it? If such needs for free healthcare is the largest concern, then I suggest they utilize the mechanism in place, enlist and see how they like the care there.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   11:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.

There's only one poster I've seen that said, I'm voting for O because he's black. And he has made it clear why. Honesty is refreshing.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama, McCain, albeit using slightly different terms, agrees: "To defeat al Qaeda, I will build a twenty-first-century military and twenty-first-century partnerships as strong as the anticommunist alliance that won the Cold War to stay on the offense everywhere from Djibouti to Kandahar." - Sen Obama,McCain June 4, 2007

I wonder if by changing Obama to McCain in the above statement, it will dawn on the O'philes that he's just more of the same?

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   11:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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