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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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Little did I know by simply offering it w/o comment, some would take offense.

Any discussion of Obama's statements or votes appears to be offensive. Such scrutiny is racist.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I have always thought of myself as a Texan first and then an American.

Right now would be an opportune moment for Texas to become a republic again.

Sam...

Well sir, you are one up on me.

Texans fought on the morally right side during the Civil War and America lost.

My ancestors fought for the blue bellies, so I try not to think of them. In my behalf however, my older ancestors fought and died in the Revolution, they were the good guys and America won.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As for WHY Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan, I don't know that he really does.

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I disagree about Texas being on the right side of that war. My namesake tried to convince Texans not to join the Confederacy.

He was on record back then as saying he would rather the state go it alone as a republic again rather than join the doomed C.S.A. and, yes, he predicted its doom even before it began.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-08   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this has been a debate only since the departure of Ron Paul. where are the large number of 4um's Paulites? if i may venture a guess. they're hopeless, burnt out, and have given up on politics.

Well, I think it became the debate when a few RP supporters used the Trotsky letter come out for Obama, and it happened in one post. That came as a shock to me, and perhaps to others as well. From a constitutionalist to a marxist/big government/redistributionist/commie and liar defies logic and perhaps intellect. I really don't think much time was spent on Obama before that, and McCain and Clinton were known entities, so it I guess it became important to learn about Obama, as he was the next best thing to Paul on the War, or was he?

It's not about RP anymore, though I sure hope for a miracle, I'm a realist, or I try to be.

I've seen a number of posts now that have expressed the same confusion about posters that jumped on the O-train... And, I have asked several times, for a case to be made to vote FOR Obama. No takers. Just spin and accusations that 'we' must want McCain. How they make that trip, I don't know either.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

where are the large number of 4um's Paulites? if i may venture a guess. they're hopeless, burnt out, and have given up on politics.

They are in remisiion as this "much ado about nothing" unfolds.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He says so, but you don't know if he means it? Utter crap. I don't get where you're coming from at all.

Troops in Afghanistan. There is a reason they are there, there is a reason Obama was told that was his position. Obamas military expertise is totally lacking so that proposal is not his military strategy.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I disagree about Texas being on the right side of that war

My opinion is that if the South had won the Civil War, Texas would not be in the position they now hold.

Secession would be nice about now.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that proposal is not his military strategy

It's his miltary strategy if they say it's his military strategy.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   11:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Troops in Afghanistan. There is a reason they are there, there is a reason Obama was told that was his position. Obamas military expertise is totally lacking so that proposal is not his military strategy.

And it is explained here:

www.federaljack.com/modul...News&file=article&si d=659

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Welcome to politics.

Thank you.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's his miltary strategy if they say it's his military strategy.

You peeked and saw Brzezinski behind the curtain?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Zbig did not mention that the reason he wants to downplay certain aspects of US aggression in the Middle East is to free up resources for use in the much bigger and more dangerous adventures which the Trilateral Commission is now directing.

As usual you did you homework and this quote is correct.

Many people here refuse to look beyond Iraq, at what is unfolding before their eyes, much larger affairs are in the works by this government and it has 'not a damned thing to do with party politics".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   11:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP

would it be wrong to pray for that

Only if, as events unfold, it doesn't shake your faith.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-08   11:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

here's one of the many articles that were posted last week that you missed.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=77477&Disp=40#C40

note Obama's reference to 911

christine  posted on  2008-04-08   11:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Any discussion of Obama's statements or votes appears to be offensive. Such scrutiny is racist.

This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   11:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As usual you did you homework and this quote is correct.

Thank you.

Many people here refuse to look beyond Iraq, at what is unfolding before their eyes, much larger affairs are in the works by this government and it has 'not a damned thing to do with party politics".

I can only conclude, it's about perceived freebies. As our abilities to fund the government are eliminated, we sit with a $9T debt, the entitlement Titanic pointed straight at us, and never ending wars are declared, one wonders, how are we going to pay for it? If such needs for free healthcare is the largest concern, then I suggest they utilize the mechanism in place, enlist and see how they like the care there.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   11:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This tactic by guilt laden whites has been adopted from the black radical handbook. For now they're useful idiots.

There's only one poster I've seen that said, I'm voting for O because he's black. And he has made it clear why. Honesty is refreshing.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   11:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama, McCain, albeit using slightly different terms, agrees: "To defeat al Qaeda, I will build a twenty-first-century military and twenty-first-century partnerships as strong as the anticommunist alliance that won the Cold War to stay on the offense everywhere from Djibouti to Kandahar." - Sen Obama,McCain June 4, 2007

I wonder if by changing Obama to McCain in the above statement, it will dawn on the O'philes that he's just more of the same?

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   11:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And how opaque are the blacks that will 99 per cent vote for Obama because he is black..

90% of that 99% would have voted for whomever the Democrats nominated,

Get over it, Mr Duke.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-08   11:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960

Ah....ari my boy......the Catholic vote that went to JFK was the traditional Democrat vote, as most Catholics then, and now, remain Ds and political clueless. Nice try, tho.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There's only one poster I've seen that said, I'm voting for O because he's black. And he has made it clear why. Honesty is refreshing.

I know of whom you speak, and yes it's refreshing, but, that same poster would say nasty things about a white who did the same. That would be an example of the reverse racism he refuses to acknowledge.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

White liberals have always provided me with an endless source of amusement.

Can't wait to see how amused you are when the white plutocrap depression comes down.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-08   12:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

......the Catholic vote that went to JFK was the traditional Democrat vote, as most Catholics then, and now, remain Ds

The black vote that Obama will get is also traditionally Democratic, as most blacks then, and now, remain Ds.

Thank you for making my point for me. There's no difference between how Catholics then voted for JFK, and how blacks today support Obama.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   12:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Can't wait to see how amused you are when the white plutocrap depression comes down.

Translation please.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I know of whom you speak, and yes it's refreshing, but, that same poster would say nasty things about a white who did the same. That would be an example of the reverse racism he refuses to acknowledge.

Geeeeeze.

Does anyone know when we fell down the rabbit hole?

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   12:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you for making my point for me. There's no difference between how Catholics then voted for JFK, and how blacks today support Obama.

Sure there is a difference. Black Ds were Clintonites until a fellow black came into the mix. See? To them it's all about race, my fine diversity-loving friend.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you're old enough to remember how much of the Catholic vote JFK got in 1960. Do you ascribe his victory to "Protestant guilt"?

It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.

There is no guilt involved, just fear and anger of the CABAL currently led by the Bush Regime.

You may have noticed, the ZioNazis don't like Obama. Why? If he is just like McCain, why don't they like Obama?

Did you see the thread last night? T-shirts made in Israel that say "Who killed Obama?"
Israeli designs 'Who killed Barack Obama?' T-shirts

Like Buchanan said, "McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi".

I don't know where this nonsense about guilt originated.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-08   12:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It began w/socialism and has since wormed its way into the marrow of the white progressive. I wish I could drink their Kool Aid but reality always gets in my way.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It began w/socialism and has since wormed its way into the marrow of the white progressive. I wish I could drink their Kool Aid but reality always gets in my way.

I see.. Same here.. Maybe their Kookl Aid is spiked?

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   12:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's so silly to talk about guilt. If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.

For reasons I don't understand you've chosen to ignore countless articles detailing O's foreign policy as one that is closely aligned with the other two candidates. Obama's redeployment is to other ME nations and his adoption of the recommendations in the Iraqi Study Group, and the endorsement of it's co-chair Lee Hamilton, sounds like an endorsement of Obama as a custodian of continued homeland security (see Hamilton's 911 investigation).

So, given this, some white guilt is a reasonable assumption for me at least.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If I vote for Obama, it will be out of a very healthy fear of the warmonger McCain.

They think (and maybe rightfully so) that they have us over a barrel. If a dem wins, they inherit and get blamed for the mess in addition to obeying their masters. If McWar wins, the neocons will be even more emboldened to act on their "mandate."

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   12:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

note Obama's reference to 911

He didn't mean it.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   12:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I assume you're talking about national ZioNazis, and nobody associated w/the forum?

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   12:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Good tagline. Clearly he's supporting McCain.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   13:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:12:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   13:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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