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Title: ARG Poll has PA tied between Obama and Clinton at 45-45
Source: Democratic Underground
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Published: Apr 7, 2008
Author: DU people
Post Date: 2008-04-07 17:42:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#11. To: Sam Houston (#3)

McInsane may well end civilization.

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-08   9:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: all (#0)

In the real world of racial American politics, Obama has already won. Given his success to date, there is no way the Beast could be declared the nominee of the socialist wing of the National party w/o major social unrest. If that were to happen, the racist Rev. Wright, and those who think whites created AIDS to pare down the black populace, would erupt into riots, circa Harlem, 1965.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#9)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#10)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

Peter Beinart has an op ed in today's Washington Post suggesting that Obama's effective management of his campaign suggests that he would be an effective president: Obama at the Helm.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-08   10:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I think there's a lot of misunderestimation going on about Obama.

Rendell & Hillary are right. He can't win a national. There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

Gov. Rendell, white, Jew, democrat and governor of the State put it rather bluntly, regardless of polls etc, white voters will not vote Obama for president.

Obama as dem candidate brings us McKooK, Americans lose regardless who wins.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: aristeides (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: angle (#11)

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP

would it be wrong to pray for that?

christine  posted on  2008-04-08   10:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

There simply aren't enough guilt laden whites out here.......thank god.

It seems we have a lot of them here.

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#17)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:19:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#19)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ghostdogtxn (#20) (Edited)

There may not be enough guilt laden whites out there, but how many bloodthirsty warmongers are left?

Plenty in both so called "parties".

We received next to zilch support here for Ron Paul, the only non war monger, but all of a sudden the Obama chorus is loud and clear. Very odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#21)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ghostdogtxn (#25)

Sure. I'm voting for the black guy because of my "guilt"...

Well, at least you admit it.

Score one for you.

This talk about "war mongering" is just that, talk. a smoke screen to justify voting a guilty conscience because none of the three will end the war. NONE. You know that as well as others.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#24)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#21)

They are all very quiet about the fact that Obama will garner 99 per cent of the black vote, " because he is black", very quiet.

Cyni,

The Cleansed Ones claim a special political insight that ignores the black dual standard. As part of their guilt they willingly accept a seat on the back of the same bus Rosa Park rode. Take pity; their warm and fuzzy feeling will soon be replaced by shock when their kids become the brunt of the insanity they embrace.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#26)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ghostdogtxn (#27)

Geeze. You make me sad, Cyni. You really do.

ghost...

You raised the "war mongering" issue.

Paul was the only man that would have ended the war, yet 4um gave next to zero support. Now all of a sudden we justify supporting Obama because he is not a warmonger????

Yet openly he says we need to move more troops into Afghanistan. why is that ghost, for what useful purpose????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ghostdogtxn (#30)

O please. Why don't you just come on out and say you'd never vote for a black guy and be done with it. You're about as opaque as a sheet of glass.

And how opaque are the blacks that will 99 per cent vote for Obama because he is black..

Lets here what you have to say about them being racist, bigots or opaque'.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#31)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ghostdogtxn (#22)

How come he's winning in white states in the midwest, then?

Ah....because it's a D-selection process? When the rational thinkers in this nation are introduced to the real Hussein Obama (read my tag line), this selection will look like a George McGovern v Nixon event.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#32)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: ghostdogtxn (#30)

Why don't you just come on out and say you'd never vote for a black guy and be done with it.

Ah.......that would be because I refuse to vote.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#34)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ghostdogtxn (#35)

This "reverse racism" card you guys continuously play, why does it never come out unless there's a black running for office? It's bullshit, that's why.

So state sanctioned reverse racism doesn't exist?

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ghostdogtxn (#33)

WTF are you talking about? 4um gave Ron Paul tons of support,

rah rah cheer leading does not count, money received counts. Obama received 2 million per day with little effort.

Now we seem to understand from whence it came.

" As for the troops in Afghanistan, it's a stupid move, a blunder,

Lets discuss that part, have you given it any thot as to WHY Obama would want more troops in Afghanistan???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ghostdogtxn (#38)

Then quit bitching about the result.

Who's bitching?

White liberals have always provided me with an endless source of amusement.

Please continue.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull, ghoistdogtxn (#39)

This "reverse racism"

Jethro

ghost does not want to discuss the millions of blacks that will vote Obama because he is black. I find that odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ghostdogtxn (#41)

I'd say it no more exists than good old fashioned racism.

Your non-answers are funny :)

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#19)

Cancer may get him first. Enter RP

would it be wrong to pray for that?

I think so. Praying for enemies to change would be OK though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-08   10:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#43)

ghost does not want to discuss the millions of blacks that will vote Obama because he is black. I find that odd.

The Cleansed Ones aren't capable of logical, direct discussion. In order for their universe to make sense, certain realities must be either ignored or rejected as racist.

I will grant you that, let's say that there's 10% about Hillary Clinton that we don't know yet, I will grant you that, but I would say there's also about 50% about Barack Obama that we don't know yet," Ed Rendell said.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-08   10:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

As part of their guilt they willingly accept a seat on the back of the same bus Rosa Park rode. Take pity; their warm and fuzzy feeling will soon be replaced by shock when their kids become the brunt of the insanity they embrace.

Remember Obama said he was a member of the “Joshua generation,” whose challenge is to complete the work of the “Moses generation,” specifically with respect to the rights of African-Americans.

We should put a list of questions together and submit before their next debate.

His position on mandatory 'service' needs some clarification. He supports 65K more troops and a redeployment plan, so does his committment to withdraw troops carry a deadline?


December 5, 2007, 2:08 pm

Obama Issues Call for Public Service

By Jeff Zeleny

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/obama-issues-call-for-public- service/

MT. VERNON, Iowa – Senator Barack Obama implored young Americans “to step into the currents of history,” by not only supporting his presidential candidacy, but committing to form a new generation of public service.

In a speech here today at Cornell College, Mr. Obama said he would seek to restore America’s standing in the world by doubling the size of the Peace Corps, increasing the strength of the Foreign Service and creating a national network – modeled after Craigslist – to connect volunteers to areas of need across the country.

“I won’t just ask for your vote as a candidate, I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States,” Mr. Obama said, drawing applause and a standing ovation from hundreds of students and residents of this eastern Iowa town. “This will not be a call issued in one speech or program, this will be a cause of my presidency.”

Before presenting his proposals calling for a renewed commitment to national service, Mr. Obama was endorsed by Harris Wofford, a former senator from Pennsylvania who helped form the Peace Corps during his time in the Kennedy administration. As he introduced Mr. Obama to the crowd, Mr. Wofford said he had not felt as inspired “since the days of John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King.” “Barack Obama has picked up the torch that they lit,” Mr. Wofford said.

In his speech here, Mr. Obama also proposed to:

* Expand AmeriCorps from 75,000 slots to 250,000 slots and establish five new “corps,” including: Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps and Homeland Security Corps.

* Increase the engagement of retired Americans in volunteer service.

* Establish a goal of having students in middle school and high school contribute at least 50 hours a year to community service

* Create a new American Opportunity Tax Credit to ensure the first $4,000 of a college education is free for Americans willing to complete 100 hours of public service a year.

With four weeks remaining in the Iowa caucus campaign, Mr. Obama is aggressively courting college students and residents of college communities across the state. Today’s stop at Cornell College is one of five stops on college campus over a two-day stretch of campaigning.

“This is one of those rare windows that don’t come around very often, maybe once in a generation,” Mr. Obama said. “As you get older, you get more set in your ways, you come to just assume that the world as it is, is the world as it must be. At your age, you’re still in the position to imagine what it might be. You are in the position to be the lever by which we move in a different direction.”

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-08   10:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#40)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-08   10:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Peppa (#47)

He supports 65K more troops and a redeployment plan,

The key word is "redeployment".

That does not mean bring the troops home, merely shift them elsewhere in the region.

When Obama spoke of sending more troops to Afghanistan, that was not Obama speaking, that was his handlers putting words into his mouth.

There is a reason to add troops to Afghanistan but not to look for Osama.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-08   10:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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