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Title: Is it Time To Worry about Superdelegates in the Clinton-Obama Contest?
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URL Source: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog ... 8/02/7155_is_it_time_to_w.html
Published: Apr 9, 2008
Author: probably the mother
Post Date: 2008-04-09 15:00:50 by Peppa
Keywords: Obama
Views: 512
Comments: 42

Omigod! Here come the superdelegates! The Washington Post's Paul Kane has done the math and reached the conclusion that the Democratic presidential race will be decided by superdelegates--those 800 or so party officials and officeholders who are automatically awarded delegate status and who can vote any which way they please at the convention. Kane explains:

There are 3,253 pledged delegates, those doled out based on actual voting in primaries and caucuses. And you need 2,025 to win the nomination. To date, about 52 percent of those 3,253 delegates have been pledged in the voting process -- with Clinton and Obama roughly splitting them at 832 and 821 delegates a piece, according to the AP.

That means there are now only about 1,600 delegates left up for grabs in the remaining states and territories voting.

So, do the math. If they both have 820 plus pledged delegates so far, they'll need to win roughly 1,200 -- 75 percent -- of the remaining 1,600 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.

In other words: Ain't gonna happen...And then the super delegates decide this thing.

Does this mean the contest will be settled in some smoke-free backroom by machine hacks who don't give a fig about the Democratic vox populi?

Not necessarily. Kane's arithmetic is spot-on. But with superdelegates comprising about 20 percent of the entire voting bloc, they essentially have to play a part in any close race. The question is how will they break. At the end of the primary season, one candidate will have more non-superdelegates than the other. If that contender also ends up with a majority of superdelegates, all will be well. The people's choice wins. It won't matter that he or she needed superdelegates to reach the magic number.

But if the second-place finisher picks up enough of a majority of the superdelegates to leap over the leader, then there will be quite a fuss. In that case, non-elected delegates will be deciding the race against the will of the majority (however slight it might be) of Democratic voters.

At this stage, there's no telling what all those superdelegates will do. Fewer than half have committed--and, as of a few days ago, the campaigns were saying that Clinton had about a 70-delegate edge among this band. But these superdelegates can change their minds up until the vote is called at the convention.

As for the non-declared SDs, will they want to see the party elite anoint the second-place candidate and create a massive firestorm that will divide the party? And remember the Democratic establishment is not the same thing as the Clinton establishment. Not all of these influential Democrats are Clintonites. Not all believe that Clinton would be the best candidate for the party in November. She has the lead in superdelegates at the moment, but Obama can be competitive in this contest.

So place a hold on conspiracy theorizing or super-delegate hysteria for the time being. After all the primary votes are counted, the spotlight will shine brightly on these people. If they want to pull a backroom stunt, they will have to do so in public view.


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-04-09   15:18:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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If Obama goes into the convention with more delegates (as appears likely) and Hillary walks out with the nomination, McCain will be our next president and the Democratic Party will be back on its way to permanent minority status.

God let them not be so stupid.

I think we're all going to be white-knuckling it right up past the recount wars.

Dems have been putting a lot of effort to nip chaos in the bud by having a 'choice' made by prior to 6/3. Pressue on some super delegates, heard something about them receiving cash from the candidates... I don't know if that's true, but I did see where the Clinton camp was ramping up the choke holds. That may backfire like Richardson.

In all honesty, I have a bad feeling about how the press is playing this thing, and I do worry that they are stirring a pot that may not only fire up people that think they were cheated, but bring down thunder on the whole country.

Nothing will be quite so funny about payback then.

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#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

interesting scenario. might be possible.

Artisan  posted on  2008-04-09   16:10:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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I was watching some clips on youtube a while back from the 1992 LA riots. crazy stuff. i remember that day and hope it never happens again. everyone i know was armed for at least a month at all times. i had to drive through compton to san pedro while that was going on. i didnt choose to, but a relative was coming from catalina island back to the mainland. i tried calling them to tell them NOT TO COME but the phones were down. As I left to go to san pedro, i told my family that no one is gonna stop my car, ; we had just watched reginald denny get his brains bashed in on tv. unbelievably grotesque!!! I seriously was ready to mow down any crowd of murderers who tried to murder me,. several people were killed in long beach merely because they were white. a few were pulled off their motorcycles and shot in the head, just for being white.

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#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

with the current global orchestrated food crisis, which is still a looming (yet probable) food crisis in the US, I think you're right. with the culture of today I can just image what will happen when the grocery store shelves are emptied.

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