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Title: Is it Time To Worry about Superdelegates in the Clinton-Obama Contest?
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URL Source: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog ... 8/02/7155_is_it_time_to_w.html
Published: Apr 9, 2008
Author: probably the mother
Post Date: 2008-04-09 15:00:50 by Peppa
Keywords: Obama
Views: 448
Comments: 42

Omigod! Here come the superdelegates! The Washington Post's Paul Kane has done the math and reached the conclusion that the Democratic presidential race will be decided by superdelegates--those 800 or so party officials and officeholders who are automatically awarded delegate status and who can vote any which way they please at the convention. Kane explains:

There are 3,253 pledged delegates, those doled out based on actual voting in primaries and caucuses. And you need 2,025 to win the nomination. To date, about 52 percent of those 3,253 delegates have been pledged in the voting process -- with Clinton and Obama roughly splitting them at 832 and 821 delegates a piece, according to the AP.

That means there are now only about 1,600 delegates left up for grabs in the remaining states and territories voting.

So, do the math. If they both have 820 plus pledged delegates so far, they'll need to win roughly 1,200 -- 75 percent -- of the remaining 1,600 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.

In other words: Ain't gonna happen...And then the super delegates decide this thing.

Does this mean the contest will be settled in some smoke-free backroom by machine hacks who don't give a fig about the Democratic vox populi?

Not necessarily. Kane's arithmetic is spot-on. But with superdelegates comprising about 20 percent of the entire voting bloc, they essentially have to play a part in any close race. The question is how will they break. At the end of the primary season, one candidate will have more non-superdelegates than the other. If that contender also ends up with a majority of superdelegates, all will be well. The people's choice wins. It won't matter that he or she needed superdelegates to reach the magic number.

But if the second-place finisher picks up enough of a majority of the superdelegates to leap over the leader, then there will be quite a fuss. In that case, non-elected delegates will be deciding the race against the will of the majority (however slight it might be) of Democratic voters.

At this stage, there's no telling what all those superdelegates will do. Fewer than half have committed--and, as of a few days ago, the campaigns were saying that Clinton had about a 70-delegate edge among this band. But these superdelegates can change their minds up until the vote is called at the convention.

As for the non-declared SDs, will they want to see the party elite anoint the second-place candidate and create a massive firestorm that will divide the party? And remember the Democratic establishment is not the same thing as the Clinton establishment. Not all of these influential Democrats are Clintonites. Not all believe that Clinton would be the best candidate for the party in November. She has the lead in superdelegates at the moment, but Obama can be competitive in this contest.

So place a hold on conspiracy theorizing or super-delegate hysteria for the time being. After all the primary votes are counted, the spotlight will shine brightly on these people. If they want to pull a backroom stunt, they will have to do so in public view.


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#24. To: Peppa (#0)

There are 3,253 pledged delegates, those doled out based on actual voting in primaries and caucuses. And you need 2,025 to win the nomination. To date, about 52 percent of those 3,253 delegates have been pledged in the voting process -- with Clinton and Obama roughly splitting them at 832 and 821 delegates a piece, according to the AP. ...

So, do the math. If they both have 820 plus pledged delegates so far, they'll need to win roughly 1,200 -- 75 percent -- of the remaining 1,600 delegates to win the nomination through actual voting.

832 TO 821??? This misinformed writer is confusing the results of Super Tuesday with the overall results.

www.realclearpolitics.com...ratic_delegate_count.html

2,024 to win.

Pledged Delegates - 2687
1415 - OBAMA
1251 - CLINTON

www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

Obama claims delegate lead
By: Mike Allen
February 6, 2008 11:09 AM EST

In a surprise twist after a chaotic Super Tuesday, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) passed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in network tallies of the number of delegates the candidates racked up last night.

The Obama camp now projects topping Clinton by 13 delegates, 847 to 834.

NBC News, which is projecting delegates based on the Democratic Party's complex formula, figures Obama will wind up with 840 to 849 delegates, versus 829 to 838 for Clinton.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-10   2:34:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nolu_chan (#24)

Pledged Delegates - 2687 1415 - OBAMA 1251 - CLINTON

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8358.html

Obama claims delegate lead By: Mike Allen February 6, 2008 11:09 AM EST

Hmm.. well the source for this piece in Mother jones was :

The Washington Post's Paul Kane has done the math

Link here: blog.washingtonpost.com/the- http://">blog.washingtonpost.com/the- trail/2008/02/07/no_knockouts_from_here_to_the.html

HIs piece was written on 2/7/07.

The piece you cite was written 2/6/08

Think we can get them to fight?

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-10   10:21:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Peppa (#25)

Dozens of Jewish Super-Delegates May Hold Key to Democratic Race Campaign Marks a Communal Coming of Age in Party Politics By Jennifer Siegel Thu. Mar 20, 2008

According to a new survey conducted by the Forward, a disproportionately large share of the Democratic party’s super-delegates are Jewish. Many of them have declared their support for Hillary Clinton, accounting for more than 15% of her current backers.

www.forward.com/articles/12998/

robnoel  posted on  2008-04-10   16:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: robnoel (#27)

www.forward.com/articles/12998/

Whoaaaaaaaaa.........isaywhoamule........... did you see the graph???

In recent weeks, as Senator Barack Obama of Illinois has won more new super- delegates and snatched away some super-delegates who had previously committed to Clinton, Clinton’s backers have worked to shore up her existing support and counter the growing perception by many in the party that if Obama maintains his current lead in the popular vote, as well as in total states and delegates won, the super-delegates should fall in line behind him.

The super-delegates “were not selected by the national party to be either potted plants or rubber stamps,” wrote Grossman, a top fundraiser for Clinton, in an open letter he sent out earlier this month to DNC members. The letter urged those who are still uncommitted to suspend making a judgment in the race until all state contests are concluded in early June.

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