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Title: Smear Of Ben Stein's Film 'Expelled' Already Begun
Source: News With Views
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general81/conven.htm
Published: Apr 9, 2008
Author: Devvy Kidd
Post Date: 2008-04-09 19:49:47 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 1076
Comments: 74

The big guns are coming out already.

This scorching is by Roger Friedman. Notice how he puts his own beliefs in wrapped up as "conventionally accepted Darwinism. "

Ben Stein: Win His Career By Roger Friedman

After seeing a new non-fiction film starring Comedy Central's Ben Stein, you may not only be able to win his money, but also his career.

Stein is that whiny little guy with the monotone voice that makes him seem funny and an unlikely "character" for TV appearances. But that career may be over come April 18 when a movie he co-wrote, narrates and appears in, called "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," is released.

Directed by one Nathan Frankowski, "Expelled" is a sloppy, all-over-the-place, poorly made (and not just a little boring) "expose" of the scientific community. It's not very exciting. But it does show that Stein, who's carved out a career selling eye drops in commercials and amusing us on sitcoms, is either completely nuts or so avaricious that he's abandoned all good sense to make a buck.

To wit: Stein, Frankowski and pals say in "Expelled" that perfectly good scientists and educators are being stigmatized for wanting to teach their students creationism and "intelligent design" - in other words, junk science - in addition to or instead of conventionally accepted Darwinism. You see, Stein, like some other celebrities, finally has shown his true colors and they aren't so pretty.

The gist of Stein's involvement is: He's outraged! He believes in God! God created the universe! How can we not avail our students of this theory? What do you mean we're just molecules?

What the producers of this film would love, love, love is a controversy. That's because it's being marketed by the same people who brought us "The Passion of the Christ." They're hoping someone will latch onto an anti-Semitism theme here since there's a visit to a concentration camp and the raised idea - apparently typical of the intelligent design community - that somehow the theory of evolution is so evil that it caused the Holocaust. Alas, this is such a warped premise that no one's biting.

The whole idea of Stein, a Jew, jumping on the intelligent design bandwagon of the theory of evolution begetting the Nazis is so distasteful you wonder what in - sorry - God's name - he was thinking when he got into this. Who cares, really, if "Expelled" is anti-Semitic? It will come and go without much fanfare.

But Stein is another matter. Can he really be amusing selling eye drops or acting like a nebbish on game shows if we now have this new insight into his thinking?

You know Ben Stein from his voice. He used it to intone Ferris Bueller's name iconically at the beginning of that 20-year-old Matthew Broderick movie. His laconic delivery and deadpan presence have given him a benign celebrity - until now.

But this is what he wrote last fall on the "Expelled" movie Web site:

"Darwinism is still very much alive, utterly dominating biology. Despite the fact that no one has ever been able to prove the creation of a single distinct species by Darwinist means, Darwinism dominates the academy and the media. Darwinism also has not one meaningful word to say on the origins of organic life, a striking lacuna in a theory supposedly explaining life.

"Alas, Darwinism has had a far bloodier life span than Imperialism. Darwinism, perhaps mixed with Imperialism, gave us Social Darwinism, a form of racism so vicious that it countenanced the Holocaust against the Jews and mass murder of many other groups in the name of speeding along the evolutionary process."

In a word: Urgggh. Suddenly Stein is not so amusing anymore. I want my eye drops from someone else.

PS: Following "The Passion" release pattern, "Expelled" will open wide on the 18th but mostly in rural and poor neighborhoods. It's got just one theater in all of New York City, in Times Square, none in places like Beverly Hills or wealthier, better-educated urban neighborhoods where more "evolved" people might live.

According to the film's Web site, the producers are in a whopping 45 theaters in North Carolina, and a mere seven in Massachusetts, 35 in Georgia, 11 in New Jersey, four in Connecticut and one in Vermont. And so on. There are huge numbers of screens in Florida and Texas taking the film, particularly seven in San Antonio. If I lived in the Deep South, I'd boycott the filmmakers for thinking of me as this gullible and unsophisticated.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348468,00.html


Poster Comment:

Notice that this review from Friedman ran originally at FOX news which is supposed to be conservative. Actually, it is Zionist and changes sides when convenient. Currently, many conservatives are willing to kill Muslims for Israel so FOX is conservative.

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#12. To: YertleTurtle (#8)

I'll make it easy: explain how squirrels evolved into flying squirrels. Richard Dawkins eternally made a fool out of himself over that one.

Calm down. Your rage is showing. Mindless fundie hate never solved anything. Just ask Fred Phelps.

The basic theory says that there are a series of mutations in the gene pool. One gives the membrane between the arms and legs, which is quite common in many different species. Just as webbed toes are. Others give enhanced balance and other necessary components. Most of these mutations kill the individual. But when conditions confer a survival advantage for a combination of the mutations, they get passed on.

For a good example of this, look at the collection of intermediate fossils tracing the evolution of dynosauria to birds.

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...  posted on  2008-04-09   20:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: ... (#12)

The basic theory says that there are a series of mutations in the gene pool

You're proving my point. You can't do it.

"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-09   20:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ... (#10) (Edited)

I've always been interested in the idea that anger is a function of a worldview rooted in contradictory beliefs. I know many Christians who love everyone, and they are at peace. I know other Christians who attempt to use their religion to assert superiority over others, and they are some messed up little booboos. I know (personally) very few Jews, Moslems, Hindus, et al, but I gotta think it works the same way.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:35:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: YertleTurtle (#13)

You're proving my point. You can't do it.

I just did. But what you will do is keep asking for specifics until you ask for the exact date a normal squirrel emerged into a flying squirrel.

This sort of silly argument is your only defense.

But let's turn this around. Prove to me that an old man in the clouds snapped his fingers and created the flying squirrel. You can't do this. In fact, you have no objective proof that your particular creation myth is any better than that of the Church of Scientology.

And this is why the World Scientific community has dismissed you as a kook.

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#16. To: YertleTurtle (#13)

Have you ever wanted to have relations with a clown-monkey-pig?

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Dakmar (#16)

Have you ever wanted to have relations with a clown-monkey-pig?

I keep one in the closet.

"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-09   20:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Dakmar (#14)

I think deep down inside the people feel foolish being guided by myths and superstition. To overcome that the need others to believe what they believe and reinforce them.

Turtle is a good example. It's really important that we accept his creation myth or that we are humiliated for not accepting it. He has no proof for it, but he childishly feels that we MUST buy into it. When this gets out of hand, you get a Southern Baptist type that tries to force people to follow his religion by the force of law. I call this "Conservative Freedom".

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...  posted on  2008-04-09   20:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: YertleTurtle (#11)

I once wrote an article mocking Richard Dawkins, who is way in over his head when it comes to evolutionary theory, and all the emails I got from "evolutionists" were purely hateful. And, not one of them understood the difference between micro and macro evolution.

And therefore everyone who refutes creationism is hateful and ignorant of difference between the prefixes micro and macro?

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: YertleTurtle (#17)

Maybe you could pass a law requiring everyone to believe your creation myth. You could also outlaw other religions so they wouldn't ask to have their creation myths included as well.

You certainly arn't going to be able to offer any objective proof for your creation myth so this is the only way you are going to be able to cram it down people's throats.

We can call your new world "The Middle Ages".

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...  posted on  2008-04-09   20:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ... (#15)

Prove to me that an old man in the clouds snapped his fingers and created the flying squirrel.

I never said a word about God or creationism. You did.

I also didn't ask for a date when a squirrel turned into a flying squirrel.

I want to know EXACTLY how one species turned into another. That's all I'm asking, and you keep avoiding the question, because you and every other evolutionist in the world don't have a clue, and you know it.

"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-09   20:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: YertleTurtle (#17)

I keep one in the closet.

You have a closet in your hollowed out tree? How do you keep it from flooding and fermenting during the rainy season?

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#19)

ignorant of difference between the prefixes micro and macro?

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between macro and micro evolution has no business talking about evolution at all. That's like saying you're an expert in math but don't know that 2+2=4.

"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-09   20:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#22)

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-09   20:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#22)

How do you keep it from flooding and fermenting during the rainy season?

My tree is on top of a hill and the crick doesn't get that high when it floods.

"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-04-09   20:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: YertleTurtle (#21)

also didn't ask for a date when a squirrel turned into a flying squirrel.

Yes, but that's exactly where your [caged and poached] argument was going. I've read the transcript. And apparently so have you.

If you're not arguing for Creationism and it's new version Intelligent Design, or some other sort of biblical creation myth, what's your point?

Evolution is an established scientific theory. If the bible beaters could have taken a legitimate shot at it, they would have done so 100 years ago. Instead, they dance around the issue like you do here.

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#27. To: ... (#18)

force people to follow his religion by the force of law. I call this "Conservative Freedom".

Fun when they're talking on a personal level, not so much fun when they're armed with warrants and trumpets.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: ... (#4)

it didn't arise from some dark conspiracy

Oh but the controversy does.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   20:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: YertleTurtle (#21) (Edited)

My position is that I don't buy the biblical creation myth, and I don't buy the one from church of Scientology either. I also don't buy the Zuni creation myth.

None of them are science and because of that, they don't belong in a science class.

Evolution is the currently accepted scientific theory and, as such, it does belong in a science class.

If you want it out, get a degree, become a researcher, publish a paper with appropriate support and initiate a Thomas Khun style scientific revolution. It happens all the time in all fields of science.

I do object to propaganda and legal gyrations that attempt to put that which is not science in a science class, i.e., cram somebody's religion down anther person's craw by means of politics or force of law. And that is what the film discussed above is trying to do.

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#30. To: Peppa (#24) (Edited)

I took an alternate route home tonight, one that took me at least three miles out of my way into the deep woods of Marion County, and once I turned from 86th St onto Lafayette Road was struck with a horrible, yet familiar stench. Then it hit me - this is the smell of fermenting tree limbs. Unmistakable. My Next Door Neighbor had a whole pile of tree-chips dumped on his driveway last year, piled halfway up my fence, now I've got spliters in my front yard from mulching that crap as it spilled over.

Anyway, someone is doing some serious tree chipping in NW Marion Co, it reeked for miles.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   20:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ... (#29) (Edited)

Not to put too fine a point on it, but natural selection is Darwin's theory of evolution.

Similar to gravity, vs. Einstein's theory of gravity, in that the phenomenon exists whether or not the theory explains/predicts everything the phenomenon does, the phenomenon of evolution is not a theory, it's a physical fact. It's also a well-recorded fact.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   21:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#30)

I took an alternate route home tonight, one that took me at least three miles out of my way into the deep woods of Marion County, and once I turned from 86th St onto Lafayette Road was struck with a horrible, yet familiar stench. Then it hit me - this is the smell of fermenting tree limbs. Unmistakable. My Next Door Neighbor had a whole pile of tree-chips dumped on his driveway last year, piled halfway up my fence, now I've got spliters in my front yard from mulching that crap as it spilled over.

Anyway, someone is doing some serious tree chipping in NE Marion Co, it reeked for miles.

I'm not that familiar with tree-chipping politics and such... but sounds like you got trouble my friend, with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for mulch. ;)

Seriously, sounds like a stinky situation.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-09   21:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: nobody (#31)

I know that evolution is a fact, and I realize that it may not explain everything. I was just reading something interesting about the evolution of bees and other social insects that talked about other factors at play.

The point I was trying to make was that it was the accepted scientific model and, as such, that is what should be taught in a science class. If somebody wants to give a grad seminar on Intelligent Design and who facts might line up for it, that is fine - as long as its not being presented as the accepted theory.

Forcing creationism into a biology class is like forcing Hebrew into a French class because "It's the language of the Lord".

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#34. To: Peppa (#32)

It can't be a very large operation, I was just taken aback by its powerful stench. Now I think I'm going to have to post a Most Powerful Stenches Ever thread. I've three to start with.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   21:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: ... (#33)

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory, it's a conspiracy any more. It should be taught in a religious conspiracy study class.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   21:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: ... (#33)

The point I was trying to make was that it was the accepted scientific model and, as such, that is what should be taught in a science class.

Being Accepted Scientific Model simply isn't good enough for me anymore, I demand at least a frail connection to some sort of folk wisdom.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   21:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nobody (#35)

religious conspiracy study class

the next tv reality show?

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   21:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#37) (Edited)

"Christians and Conspiracy Theories"

www.acts17- 11.com/conspire.html

Favorite snippet:

10) Making Idols of Mere Men

Conspiracy Theory practitioners are miles away from "honoring the king," or showing "proper respect" for leaders. ...

Heads in the sand.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   21:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nobody (#38)

Conspiracy Theory is more than just the belief in an occasional conspiracy. Simply put, it is a belief system that asserts that world events are being controlled in secret by a group of ultra-powerful puppeteers behind the scenes. While nothing much can be done about this overall conspiracy, at least we can have the satisfaction of being smart enough to have figured it all out.

That's hilarious. Us true illuminati know how to use puppets and flashcards to mezmerize your children, don't try to stop us or we'll call you haters of something or other. Just keep buying the plastic toys from China and everything will be alright.

“Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life." - Jack Kerouac

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   21:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: nobody (#35)

Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory, it's a conspiracy any more. It should be taught in a religious conspiracy study class.

I agree, but I don't think people should be silenced about it. If they want to try to make a case for it in a legitimate way, they should be allowed to do so. A philosophy of science class or a grad seminar on weird theories would be the place. It's fine to discuss it in the proper place as long as the source [agenda driven religious types] and the nature [not accepted science] of the theory are made clear.

The only reason the religious kooks want it in a main line science class is to discredit the accepted theories on evolution. They can teach Intelligent Design to their congregation during Sunday service - so teaching their people isn't the real objective here.

And there may be some validity to the idea, though not on the level that the religious kooks operate on. Sir Walter Penrose, the dean of mathematics at Oxford, has written some good stuff about how consciousness and life are intrinsic properties of matter - and that there may be other laws governing the evolution of life and consciousness that we haven't yet discovered. The "intelligence" in Intelligent Design could be a yet undiscovered law of physics.

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#41. To: YertleTurtle (#8)

You can't do it, only babble.

"If there is a God, prove it."

Gosh, with a theist, you get the same result. You can't do it. You can only babble.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-04-09   21:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ... (#40)

A philosophy of science class

A philosophy of anti-science class.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   21:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Dakmar (#37) (Edited)

Religious creationists should just settle for anthropic principles (certain things are the way they are because otherwise we wouldn't be here to see them) wherever theory falls short. Closest thing to God that science has. All it takes logically is incoporating one's vision of God into one's reason for existence (typical) and equating that to the leftover unexplained "fine tuning" that theory says is responsible. Of course it is circular logic, but the will for life is like that.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   21:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: nobody (#42)

A philosophy of anti-science class.

Pseudo-science is a great topic for a philosophy of science class. My class used Scholasticism and Galileo as the bad example. Galileo asked the Schollastics to look through his telescope and tell him what they saw. They responded that it wasn't necessary to look through the telescope to know what was there.

A good teacher could get some fine points hammered home with a discussion of Intelligent Design as the fundies see it and push it.

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...  posted on  2008-04-09   22:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: nobody (#43)

mama always said life was like a box of chicken, it come with two sides and a biscuit

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   22:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nobody (#43)

Religious creationists should just settle for anthropic principles (certain things are the way they are because otherwise we wouldn't be here to see them) wherever theory falls short.

I just wish they'd accept simple, cold, hard facts, like dinosaur bones are more than 6000 years old.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-04-09   22:14:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: ... (#44) (Edited)

When theory comes up with an uncountable number of universes, mostly unsurvivable, I suggest that if the theory is supposed correct (always doubtful as that is) we either have intelligent design making the survivable choice, supposedly, or uncountable blind trials, or perhaps some crazy fun but maybe a little egotistical time-reversing quantum anthropic combination of the two. Which one appeals to you?

I say scientists should intellectually always prefer the second choice, make the choice clear but respectful, and make no apology for it.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-09   22:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: nobody (#47)

Which one appeals to you?

I'm not sure. I think there is probably a basic principle somewhere that isn't yet understood. And when it is understood, things like the multiverse theory won't be needed to explain things.

I once saw someone demonstrate how all the weirdness dropped out the the double slit experiment if one of the photons had a twin traveling back in time. Everything became very simple and mundane. Even the weird instantaneous Cramer quantum entanglement stuff falls apart when something can go back in time. I think he calls it retrocausality and all the Alice in Wonderland stuff stops when you accept it.

I'm have no idea if things go back in time or not, but the complexity and non-intuitiveness of the model, and the fact that it is getting more complex, makes me think there is something basic that is being missed.

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...  posted on  2008-04-09   22:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: YertleTurtle (#11)

Oddly, all I got from "religious" people were open-minded and tolerant.

probably because they agreed with you. try writing a pro-evolution or con- creation article and see what you get from religious people.

christine  posted on  2008-04-09   23:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: ... (#48) (Edited)

all the weirdness dropped out the the double slit experiment if one of the photons had a twin traveling back in time

Wheeler-Feynman Absorber Theory is that way.

I tend to think there's a continuum of photon energy in space (an invisible photonic sea) and everything emits photons at low energy and exists in perhaps some sort of fundamental resonant equilibrium with virtual photons at higher energies, so the slits radiate continuous virtual photonic wakes that interact with the experiment's photon source at the time the experiment's photons are generated. The "sea" organizes the photon energy as dynamic boundary conditions on the slit surfaces and these boundary conditions conduct photon energy to the other side of the slits where it converges to emit the result detected. Maybe I'm missing something.

nobody  posted on  2008-04-10   0:37:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent, nobody, Dakmar (#38)

www.acts17-11.com/conspire.html

Please tell us what you think of this?


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-10   0:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: YertleTurtle, ..., ALL (#8)

Explain EXACTLY how one species turned into another.

You can't do it...

Genetic mutations and natural selection.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

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