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Title: 2 4um members join TLBSHOW and B Yeltsin on my s__tlist - what took me so long?
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Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-04-11 06:55:52 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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This has been my favorite site for a couple of years now, maybe longer and, until recently, I found just about every one here to be honest, intellectually curious and generally open to debate. I value the most people who refuse to wear ideological straight jackets and are willing to overcome the inevitable intellectual and moral inhibitions imposed by life within any social structure. Not everyone or probably no one can do this all the time but there is a difference between those who open themselves to the new and fresh even infrequently and those who choose to never leave their dogmatic cocoon or are always the follower of some 'movement' or leader. I don't find 'followers' to be interesting. I noticed the recent emergence at this site of a number of uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic, brutally stupid 'posters' whose only purpose seems to be that of screaming their 'views' and to attack (in an uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic and brutally stupid way) anyone who does not buy into their propagandistic nonsense. The specimen calling himself or herself "_______" is a perfect case. The other one that comes to mind now is the "Peppa". I don't remember the history of "_______" and I couldn't care less of what his/her whereabouts were or may be because I'm not interested in stupids. In the case of Peppa, I remember that she used to be a Ron Paul supporter (so was I and I still am in the sense that I agree with many of his views) but she was of the aggressive/possessive type, screaming and hysterically imploring everyone to believe that reality was something other than any normal person could see. And, of course, attacking anyone who stayed rational and objective. Well... I've never done it until now at this site but I am doing it now. I am banning these 2 because I find their contributions to be boring and worthless. They are joining the ranks of the late TLBSHOW and Boris Yeltsin who are my bannees at the LP site so they are in good company - deep, loudly proclaimed stupidity seems to be what they have in common. I can't say that seeing their moronic, worthless 'thoughts' published at this site bothered me a lot. It's just that I can't spend a lot of time here and, if it's easy to prevent worthless trash from invading my 4um browsing experience, I see no reason not to do it. I hope that _______ and Peppa are not offended by this. They can still talk to each other. I just don't care what they do so it's fair for me to place them on the Bozo list. _______ is at #1 and Peppa is at #2.
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#13. To: Old Friend (#8)
I have heard that hyperbole, but that angle of attack on him is overblown. Look at protect those stem cells Bush. He is a man who speaks to God but never goes to church and has no Pastor, will kill and mutilate the bodies and lives of Iraqi civilians to get at a dictator who had the nerve to try to get a hit on his dad together, and waste the lives and well being of our Armed Forces to fight war to advance ideology rather then remember they are making the sacrifice of military service to defend this country, not advance the faction in power in Washington's political agenda. He too postures as anti-abortion. But he is a blood thirsty bastard who laughed at and mocked the very people he let be executed as a Texas governor. If you take the solemn and serious responsibility of deciding to take the creator's prerogative to end existence and kill someone, you should have a heavy heart about it, regardless of how evil or wrong the person being executed may be. I don't support abortion, but because an overall view of a candidate is more useful to determining whether they are truly compassionate and respectful of human life, I would rather have the man making an honest mistake on abortion rather then a gangster like McCain who is also for abortion as well as neocon wars to advance factional political agendas even though they bankrupt us and destroy our reputation as a nation. I do not support is view on abortion, but he is a far better man and leader then the disaster Bush is, or the other two current candidates are, so he has my support. I am not changing back to being a Democrat to vote for him in the primary, so I wouldn't get too excited over my support. It is well thought out and tempered by the realities we fact in the political world of the United States in the 21st Century. Your point is noted and thank you mentioning it, but that doesn't change my opinion concerning my support for Obama.
Democrats kill children in the womb; Republicans kill children wherever they wage war in pursuit of the almighty dollar...that is why I have no use for either party.
It is refreshing to know that you are against abortion. I assumed the opposite about you. What you said about Bush and McCain is pretty accurate. Except I don't think McCain is for abortion. I don't think he has a strong pro life record on abortion . I think he is mildly against it but really don't give a shit. Having said that I don't think any president is going to do anything about abortion. It will take more than a president. Back to Obama. His support of abortion tells me a great deal about his character. I will say this also. I think Obama will not bring the troops home. I think he would support a war against Iran.
That is a broad brush but mostly accurate in my opinion.
I always tell my wife that there are exceptions to every broad-brush statement; as there are in this case. :-)
What is this about the "late" TLBSHOW. Is TLBSHOW deceased? TLBSHOW is ok too. I agree.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. ROFLMAO!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Thanks OF. You're okay in mine too!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I agree. Thanks JD!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.
Thanks Christine, I wish fluffy bunnies and sunshine to vast all the rest of his days. :) Poor little thing.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
The Os are taking this selection way too seriously. You'd think after all the education we've received over the years about the American government, and both branches of the national party, they'd agree with us the Agenda will move forward regardless of who is chosen. I'm thinking deep down they know this but are in some sort of denial.
What ever happened to coral snake? He's vanished too. Pretty soon there won't be any kooks on the net the way things are going.
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RE: the O's. Who am I to quash their dreams? I sure don't see it that way, but I voted for the idiot in 2000, so I surely was duped.
"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson
I'm guessing the basement of the Vatican where they store lots of statues.
Well said. Maybe a Freeper gene kicked in.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Right on the money christine.
Son, you are toooo light in the loafers to even carry Peppas books. I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that.
Thanks Lac.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that. Thanks Cyni.. and yes Vast did that. There were quite a few busy little bees with him on that. Oh well. It's not about Ron Paul anymore. So, staying focused on the jewels selected for us, is job number 1!
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
We do have our share of "Fifth Columnists" here.
Actually, I am not taking it very seriously. I find it to be more interesting than others even though, Buchanan's struggle to take over Ross Perot's loot and his instant re-morph into 'pundit' the day after 'election day' was more entertaining. I believe we were both with Buchanan those days. Is this upcoming a 'selection'? Sure it is. You are inside the 2-party system and all you get to choose from is from the menu the 2-parties so generously offer you. In the case of the GOP, I believe that McCain if the perfect representative of what that party is today - and today's GOP party is ugly. Both Obama and Hillary are good approximations of the Demo party but Hillary is a deeply flawed person who should be prevented from reaching the White House. I disagree with the Demo party's agenda as much as I loath the GOP's but the only way to prevent either McCain or Hillary from getting the WH job is to support Obama. As an intelligent and principled person with some sense of humor, I appreciate his intelligence, moral qualities and his sense of humor. Of course, I disagree with a lot of his agenda. Now, if anyone can come forward with any other way of preventing McCain or Hillary from installing themselves into the WH, please come forward and brief me on the plan. And, please, stating that there is no difference between Obama (a flawed human) and the 2 monsters opposing him is well... naive.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And? Was I right or was I right? You can't seem to stand reality. Or... tell me. Did he win????? :)
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
You say it nicer than I do.
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
It is a dream. Or to use Os word, it's about hope. Either way, the mess we're in will continue to roll forward unimpeded. We could post material about vote fraud all day long and it wont have an impact on his believers. And as someone noted a few days back, until Obama came on the scene, there was no conspiracy they rejected. I don't get the disconnect myself. The question that can't be ignored is who, in the course of history, was the last politician to alter the downward spiral of an empire? Answer, it hasn't happened.
I can't say that I have disagreements because I can't recall any actual 'discussion' (a rational exchange of views). I simply don't find it worth my time 'discussing' anything with individuals who jump into the gutter at the first hint that someone may disagree with them. They may do so but I'm not interested in watching them cover themselves in mud and splashing some on others.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I see my civil and polite discourse with you at the time was in vain. However I will do it one more time. "No one here ever entertained the notion that Paul could win". If you rethink this thing and use this as a basis of thought, things may appear a little more clear to you.
Really? That's not what I recall. Let me see... primaries hijacking theory... does it ring bells? Like RP's supporters are 10 times more likely to show up and therefore they would win... Shall I continue?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
If you rethink this thing and use this as a basis of thought, things may appear a little more clear to you. Do you have any idea who he's having an argument with yet?
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
Yep, I was with Buchanan and yep, his '00 run was the end of my personal political participation. About Obama? I hope he wins. Looking at Hillary sickens me and McKooK is mental. That said, I can't understand the enthusiasm some are showing for him. He clearly has differing positions on all the major issues and I've caught heat (bozo'd) by some for simply pointing it out. I don't understand how some think Obama, if elected, would be allowed to alter the Agenda of the MIC. We're talking about an investment of trillions of dollars in our Iraqi venture alone. We want their land, oil and access to other points in the Middle East. But mostly our effort is a joint effort w/Israel. The plan to partition Iraq was hatched back in '82 and brought to this forum by Horse, only to be ignored in favor of 'hope.' As I said, I'm confused.
My 2c: The fact that you're posting a thread about your impressions of these 2 people says more about you than them. If you don't care for them, fine. Just bozo them and move on. No big deal.
Interesting front-page article in today's Washington Post, Big Donors Among Obama's Grass Roots. Despite the headline, the article makes it clear that Obama's campaign depends much less than McCain's or Hillary's on fat cat donors. Consequently, if he is elected president, Obama will owe less to those fat cats.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Yes, it probably does. It says that I don't have much use for uncivil and irrational 'discussions'. I really find them to be a waste and it's difficult for me to understand and it seems strange that some people get so 'personal' on internet forums where so little of one's persona is revealed. BECAUSE of that Internet fora should be debating principles not other people's presumed, assumed or guessed motives or charcter.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I agree, those will be interesting times. Hillary or McCain will not give us interesting times but Obama might.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942
can you please elaborate as to what you consider Obama's moral qualities?
Up.........breaking news from CNN.......yet another Iranian speed boat incident. Apparently these nutty Persians are "taunting" our naval vessels by zooming about in their 17' Watercrafts. Thank god they were driven away w/machine gun fire. On MSNBC last night Matthews/Buchanan warned of Bush doing an October Surprise (attacking Iran) in order to advance McCain and his agenda. It makes perfect sense to me.
I guess that's why they got rid of Adm. Fallon, so that a more compliant commander could be in charge of CENTCOM at the time of the next incident.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Sure. He's not cheating on his wife, as far as I now. He's got 2 nice girls and, apparently, he loves them. So far, he's on the par with Bush and, maybe, with Hill Clinton too but he's way above the average politician. Now... let's look further. Apparently Obama, as a student, was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. From what I heard, this is a most prestigious job and it's granted to one of the best students on campus. He finished at the top of his class and he could have joined just about any prestigious law firm and probably get rich soon, like Hillary tried to do or maybe become counsel to some hedgehog fund, like Hillary's daughter did. Instead, Mr. Obama decided to go back to his neighborhood and work as a 'community activist'. Some may disagree with the nature of his community work but it does show idealism and selflessness. These are good moral qualities in my book. I also like the fact that he is running for president. For a semi-black man with very few connections this shows an enormous amount of courage. The rumor is the Colin Powell did not run for prez himself because his wife was afraid that he would be harmed in the process. Obama decided to take the risk. Courage is a good moral quality. I also admired the fact that he did not completely repudiate his Rev. Wright. Most politicians would do such thing at the drop of a hat. Remember what Bush did to Lott. Bush is a scumbag because Lott helped him and he was a fellow GOP and all he did was say some words. But Obama had the guts and he was principled enough to say 'no' I will not abandon the man who christened my daughters and wedded me to my wife. This is admirable. These are some of the qualities that are rare in today's politicians. I am sure that Mr. Obama has many defects but he does not appear to be a monster.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
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Obama for president 2008
#14. To: Old Friend (#11)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
#16. To: who knows what evil (#14)
#17. To: Old Friend (#16)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#18. To: Old Friend, Peppa (#1)
I have talked to peppa on a few occasions. Peppa is ok in my book.
Lord Acton
#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#20. To: Old Friend (#1)
I have talked to peppa on a few occasions. Peppa is ok in my book.
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
To: Old Friend, Peppa
#22. To: Peppa, a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)
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#23. To: christine (#22)
vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.
#24. To: Peppa, Os (#19)
#25. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
TLBSHOW
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#27. To: ... (#25)
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
The Os are taking this selection way too seriously. You'd think after all the education we've received over the years about the American government, and both branches of the national party, they'd agree with us the Agenda will move forward regardless of who is chosen. I'm thinking deep down they know this but are in some sort of denial.
#29. To: christine, Peppa (#22)
vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa, Christine (#0)
#31. To: LACUMO (#29)
Right on the money christine.
#32. To: Cynicom (#30)
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Son, you are toooo light in the loafers to even carry Peppas books.
#33. To: Peppa (#32)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#35. To: Cynicom (#30)
I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that.
#36. To: Cynicom (#33)
We do have our share of "Fifth Columnists" here.
#37. To: angle (#26)
#38. To: christine (#22)
vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.
#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa (#35)
And? Was I right or was I right?
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
#41. To: Cynicom (#39)
"No one here ever entertained the notion that Paul could win".
#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)
#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
The campaign maintains that its fundraising success among average Americans has lessened its reliance on big donors. Donations of less than $200 account for nearly half of Obama's contributions, compared with a third of Clinton's and a quarter of Sen. John McCain's, according to the Campaign Finance Institute. More than 1 million people have given money to Obama's campaign.
#45. To: Pinguinite (#43)
The fact that you're posting a thread about your impressions of these 2 people says more about you than them.
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
I don't understand how some think Obama, if elected, would be allowed to alter the Agenda of the MIC.
#47. To: anybody (#46)
:)
#48. To: All (#47)
Everybody sing!
#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)
moral qualities
#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, aristeides, peppa, christine, all (#46)
#51. To: Peppa (#48)
#52. To: Jethro Tull (#50)
breaking news from CNN.......yet another Iranian speed boat incident. Apparently these nutty Persians are "taunting" our naval vessels by zooming about in their 17' Watercrafts.
#53. To: christine (#49)
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elaborate as to what you consider Obama's moral qualities?
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