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Title: 2 4um members join TLBSHOW and B Yeltsin on my s__tlist - what took me so long?
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Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-04-11 06:55:52 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 1645
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This has been my favorite site for a couple of years now, maybe longer and, until recently, I found just about every one here to be honest, intellectually curious and generally open to debate. I value the most people who refuse to wear ideological straight jackets and are willing to overcome the inevitable intellectual and moral inhibitions imposed by life within any social structure. Not everyone or probably no one can do this all the time but there is a difference between those who open themselves to the new and fresh even infrequently and those who choose to never leave their dogmatic cocoon or are always the follower of some 'movement' or leader. I don't find 'followers' to be interesting.

I noticed the recent emergence at this site of a number of uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic, brutally stupid 'posters' whose only purpose seems to be that of screaming their 'views' and to attack (in an uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic and brutally stupid way) anyone who does not buy into their propagandistic nonsense. The specimen calling himself or herself "_______" is a perfect case. The other one that comes to mind now is the "Peppa". I don't remember the history of "_______" and I couldn't care less of what his/her whereabouts were or may be because I'm not interested in stupids. In the case of Peppa, I remember that she used to be a Ron Paul supporter (so was I and I still am in the sense that I agree with many of his views) but she was of the aggressive/possessive type, screaming and hysterically imploring everyone to believe that reality was something other than any normal person could see. And, of course, attacking anyone who stayed rational and objective.

Well... I've never done it until now at this site but I am doing it now. I am banning these 2 because I find their contributions to be boring and worthless. They are joining the ranks of the late TLBSHOW and Boris Yeltsin who are my bannees at the LP site so they are in good company - deep, loudly proclaimed stupidity seems to be what they have in common. I can't say that seeing their moronic, worthless 'thoughts' published at this site bothered me a lot. It's just that I can't spend a lot of time here and, if it's easy to prevent worthless trash from invading my 4um browsing experience, I see no reason not to do it.

I hope that _______ and Peppa are not offended by this. They can still talk to each other. I just don't care what they do so it's fair for me to place them on the Bozo list. _______ is at #1 and Peppa is at #2.

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#1. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I have talked to peppa on a few occasions. Peppa is ok in my book.

What is this about the "late" TLBSHOW. Is TLBSHOW deceased? TLBSHOW is ok too. One question though who is this ___________?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-11   7:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Old Friend (#1) (Edited)

I don't know 'who' _______ is and, lucky me, I'll never have to find out because I just threw him over the horizon and will never see him/her again. The Peppa person can get quite aggressive in a somewhat nasty and personal way - as in name-calling - when he/she feels that her world order is threatened. I am annoyed by those who call other people names or 'label' them, usually because they are intellectually lazy or incurious themselves and because they feel threatened by other people's views.

Oh, on the TLBSHOW front... I believe that he disappeared from LP. It's possible that he is active elsewhere.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   7:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

what position are you in to ban anyone.

I trust you are speaking of 'bozoing'

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-04-11   7:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#3)

Yes, from my p.o.v. they are banned, because they are no longer part of my 4um experience. I am not suggesting that they are banned from this site because some may find their contributions valuable or entertaining.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   7:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2) (Edited)

Fill my name in because my mind is a blank (________) is the sort of goober that encouraged me to use my current signature. I am not very excited by any candidate, feel the last two elections were fraudulent and don't have too much hope for this one, but if people want to substitute discussion and the sharing of ideas and views on people and events, I'll defend the least objectionable candidate I want to see defeat the Hilda beast.

I never was fond of the FReeper central premise that if you suppress beliefs and views you hate things will be alright. They don't want to see others they disagree with in their myopic and delusionary forum, and this attitude is useful only because they want the dumbest suckers possible to be able to extract the most money from them without questions come fund raiser time.

If people come out and support a candidate on this forum, they probably are survivors of worse in forum intolerance then ________ or anyone else joining in can dish out.

So they are welcome to continue deploying their fleet of paper airplanes and hot air to try to insult and belittle people away as if that will work here.

But I am here to tell you that that is delusional on their part and a lost cause.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   7:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Me, Me, Me

Who the fukk cares who you have on your filter? You yourself have been on my filter numerous times. This newsbreaking vanity requires a thread? Get a life.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-11   7:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: angle (#6)

:)))) if you don't care about this topic, there are several things that you can do.

Firstly, it WAS posted under 'vanity' so you knew what this was about.
Secondly, the subject further described what it was about.
Thirdly, if you could see who the author was (Me, Me, Me) so you could have elected not to open the thread.
Fourthly, you are free to place me back on your own 'bozo' filter, I am not discouraging you from doing so.

Fair enough?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   8:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Obama is for killing babies. That makes him unqualified to be president. I don't get people like him. Killing people in Iraq is wrong. But killing babies by ripping them apart in the womb is fine and dandy. He has a silver tongue which has you hypnotized. Unless you consider killing babies by tearing them apart ok too.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-11   8:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Old Friend (#8)

Abortion is something that troubles me. This is something that I never had to face because both me and my wife are strongly pro-life. However, abortion, like murder, incest, polygamy and child molestation are regulated by the values that the society at large displays. While laws and the social values are never in perfect harmony, the law tends to follow the social consensus on what is good, acceptable, bad and intolerable. The social consensus in the case of abortion, right now, in OUR society seems to be that abortion is 'bad' but, under certain circumstances, it is 'acceptable'. It seems that the social consensus is moving toward making abortion less acceptable than it was 30 years ago but values tend to change slowly. You should not expect a president - the head of the US gov't's executive branch - to be a preacher and a prophet. That should be the preachers' and prophets' job. When a social consensus is reached that abortion is intolerable or when that consensus is near, legislation will follow. That's the way it usually works.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   8:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#7)

It can be helpful to others to see how someone else defines who rates being included in someone's kill file/bozo folder. I don't have anyone on it now, as I have been scrolling on by people since I started posting on forums in the mid- nineties, and don't need the software to do this for me.

I found your elpee bozo list interesting as Showboat actually hurt the forum with his unrestrained diarrhea of vanity threads and posts, while Boris is only an amusing haiku sideshow who uses pictures over and over and over.

I've grown to like that wing nut, even though he usually is a scroll by for me. But Todd can keep staying away from these forums if he wishes, he is just a vain shrill, stupid pain in the ass who's biggest on line success is conning money from Fred Mertz.

I thought about bozoing him, but he ultimately isolated himself so thoroughly at elpee he was so outrageous I would of missed out on seeing the way he did this and would not have learned interesting things from this verbal self emulation.

I learn from the bad movies as well as the good, so I watch both, and in forums it is the same with people and so I bozo nobody longer then a short while to take a break from them.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   8:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

I'll boil it down to this. The declaration talked about LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The constitution said it was to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the BLESSINGS of liberty to ourselves and our POSTERITY.

So the protection of life is a central government purpose.

The constitution talks about passing on the BLESSING of liberty to our POSTERITY. How can we pass on that blessing when people are killing them. It is one of the constitutions purposes to protect life and ensure justice. Well the illegitimate ROE VS WADE decision doesn't do that. In fact it does the opposite and makes the government the enforcer of letting certain people murder our fellow citizens, their offspring. I wont go on so that I don't change the subject of your post. I just saw the OBAMA banner and had to comment on it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-11   8:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Old Friend (#11) (Edited)

This may be troubling, and it is, but writings such as the Holy Bible, the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence are always open to interpretation - or we wouldn't have a million different Christian denominations today. They are usually interpreted in ways that are suitable to the society at large and the interpretation changes as the circumstances change. Under the same constitution that talked about passing the blessings of liberty to our posterity, somehow slavery continued, and slavery is not 'liberty' by any stretch of imagination - can't say that the darkies 'axed for it' - it was the dominant section of society that found slavery while 'bad' to be 'acceptable', at least for a while. Eventually, slavery disappeared but it's possible that we are still living the consequences of eradicating it via violent means rather than simply allowing it to fade away, as it did in other parts of the world.

As for 'abortion', very few women kill their babies because they are killers and enjoy doing it. Some teens are afraid of what would happen to them if their parents found out - some parents would kill their daughters or severely punish them or maybe kill the girl's boyfriend or force them to marry. Post-teen to-be mothers may simply not imagine their life with a baby to raise, which would probably prevent them from continuing their education or keeping their job. Is giving the baby away to be raised by someone unrelated a good option? Maybe it's not always such a good thing. In the past, there was the grandma or maybe an older sister who would take care of the baby or maybe the church would arrange for some good Christians to take him but... I've read Dickens. Life for abandoned or orphan kids in the 19th Century wasn't exactly Heaven on Earth.

Life and death issues are VERY difficult to decide and ending a life that is just about to begin is the most troubling decision to make because there is absolutely no indication whether the baby to be born is about to live a life worth living or is about to begin serving a life sentence in a living Hell. Like I said, I am pro-life myself, I don't believe that babies should be killed but I also believe that, in the end, it's the society at large that collectively decides on this issues, not the government through its punishing arm.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   8:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend (#8)

I have heard that hyperbole, but that angle of attack on him is overblown. Look at protect those stem cells Bush. He is a man who speaks to God but never goes to church and has no Pastor, will kill and mutilate the bodies and lives of Iraqi civilians to get at a dictator who had the nerve to try to get a hit on his dad together, and waste the lives and well being of our Armed Forces to fight war to advance ideology rather then remember they are making the sacrifice of military service to defend this country, not advance the faction in power in Washington's political agenda.

He too postures as anti-abortion. But he is a blood thirsty bastard who laughed at and mocked the very people he let be executed as a Texas governor.

If you take the solemn and serious responsibility of deciding to take the creator's prerogative to end existence and kill someone, you should have a heavy heart about it, regardless of how evil or wrong the person being executed may be.

I don't support abortion, but because an overall view of a candidate is more useful to determining whether they are truly compassionate and respectful of human life, I would rather have the man making an honest mistake on abortion rather then a gangster like McCain who is also for abortion as well as neocon wars to advance factional political agendas even though they bankrupt us and destroy our reputation as a nation.

I do not support is view on abortion, but he is a far better man and leader then the disaster Bush is, or the other two current candidates are, so he has my support.

I am not changing back to being a Democrat to vote for him in the primary, so I wouldn't get too excited over my support. It is well thought out and tempered by the realities we fact in the political world of the United States in the 21st Century. Your point is noted and thank you mentioning it, but that doesn't change my opinion concerning my support for Obama.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   8:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Old Friend (#11)

Democrats kill children in the womb; Republicans kill children wherever they wage war in pursuit of the almighty dollar...that is why I have no use for either party.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-04-11   8:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

It is refreshing to know that you are against abortion. I assumed the opposite about you.

What you said about Bush and McCain is pretty accurate. Except I don't think McCain is for abortion. I don't think he has a strong pro life record on abortion . I think he is mildly against it but really don't give a shit.

Having said that I don't think any president is going to do anything about abortion. It will take more than a president.

Back to Obama. His support of abortion tells me a great deal about his character. I will say this also. I think Obama will not bring the troops home. I think he would support a war against Iran.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-11   8:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: who knows what evil (#14)

That is a broad brush but mostly accurate in my opinion.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-04-11   8:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Old Friend (#16)

I always tell my wife that there are exceptions to every broad-brush statement; as there are in this case. :-)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-04-11   9:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Old Friend, Peppa (#1)

I have talked to peppa on a few occasions. Peppa is ok in my book.

What is this about the "late" TLBSHOW. Is TLBSHOW deceased? TLBSHOW is ok too.

I agree.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-11   9:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

ROFLMAO!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#1)

I have talked to peppa on a few occasions. Peppa is ok in my book.

Thanks OF. You're okay in mine too!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: James Deffenbach (#18)

To: Old Friend, Peppa

I agree.

Thanks JD!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Peppa, a vast rightwing conspirator (#20) (Edited)

vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.

christine  posted on  2008-04-11   10:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22)

vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.

Thanks Christine, I wish fluffy bunnies and sunshine to vast all the rest of his days. :) Poor little thing.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Peppa, Os (#19)

The Os are taking this selection way too seriously. You'd think after all the education we've received over the years about the American government, and both branches of the national party, they'd agree with us the Agenda will move forward regardless of who is chosen. I'm thinking deep down they know this but are in some sort of denial.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   10:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

TLBSHOW

What ever happened to coral snake? He's vanished too. Pretty soon there won't be any kooks on the net the way things are going.

.

...  posted on  2008-04-11   10:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

RE: the O's.

Who am I to quash their dreams? I sure don't see it that way, but I voted for the idiot in 2000, so I surely was duped.

"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson

angle  posted on  2008-04-11   10:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ... (#25)

I'm guessing the basement of the Vatican where they store lots of statues.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   10:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

The Os are taking this selection way too seriously. You'd think after all the education we've received over the years about the American government, and both branches of the national party, they'd agree with us the Agenda will move forward regardless of who is chosen. I'm thinking deep down they know this but are in some sort of denial.

Well said. Maybe a Freeper gene kicked in.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine, Peppa (#22)

vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum

Right on the money christine.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-04-11   10:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa, Christine (#0)

Son, you are toooo light in the loafers to even carry Peppas books.

I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   10:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: LACUMO (#29)

Right on the money christine.

Thanks Lac.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

Son, you are toooo light in the loafers to even carry Peppas books.

I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that.

Thanks Cyni.. and yes Vast did that. There were quite a few busy little bees with him on that. Oh well. It's not about Ron Paul anymore. So, staying focused on the jewels selected for us, is job number 1!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Peppa (#32)

We do have our share of "Fifth Columnists" here.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   10:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Actually, I am not taking it very seriously. I find it to be more interesting than others even though, Buchanan's struggle to take over Ross Perot's loot and his instant re-morph into 'pundit' the day after 'election day' was more entertaining. I believe we were both with Buchanan those days.

Is this upcoming a 'selection'? Sure it is. You are inside the 2-party system and all you get to choose from is from the menu the 2-parties so generously offer you. In the case of the GOP, I believe that McCain if the perfect representative of what that party is today - and today's GOP party is ugly. Both Obama and Hillary are good approximations of the Demo party but Hillary is a deeply flawed person who should be prevented from reaching the White House. I disagree with the Demo party's agenda as much as I loath the GOP's but the only way to prevent either McCain or Hillary from getting the WH job is to support Obama. As an intelligent and principled person with some sense of humor, I appreciate his intelligence, moral qualities and his sense of humor. Of course, I disagree with a lot of his agenda.

Now, if anyone can come forward with any other way of preventing McCain or Hillary from installing themselves into the WH, please come forward and brief me on the plan. And, please, stating that there is no difference between Obama (a flawed human) and the 2 monsters opposing him is well... naive.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   10:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#30)

I recall you not too long ago running up and down the sidelines with those encouraging words, " Paul cant win" "Paul cant win". We wont forget that.

And? Was I right or was I right?

You can't seem to stand reality. Or... tell me. Did he win????? :)

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   10:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#33)

We do have our share of "Fifth Columnists" here.

You say it nicer than I do.

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: angle (#26)

It is a dream. Or to use Os word, it's about hope. Either way, the mess we're in will continue to roll forward unimpeded. We could post material about vote fraud all day long and it wont have an impact on his believers. And as someone noted a few days back, until Obama came on the scene, there was no conspiracy they rejected. I don't get the disconnect myself.

The question that can't be ignored is who, in the course of history, was the last politician to alter the downward spiral of an empire?

Answer, it hasn't happened.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   10:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#22)

vast's loss! vast, you may have personal disagreements with Pep, but she brings a lot of good and researched information to the forum.

I can't say that I have disagreements because I can't recall any actual 'discussion' (a rational exchange of views). I simply don't find it worth my time 'discussing' anything with individuals who jump into the gutter at the first hint that someone may disagree with them. They may do so but I'm not interested in watching them cover themselves in mud and splashing some on others.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   10:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa (#35)

And? Was I right or was I right?

I see my civil and polite discourse with you at the time was in vain.

However I will do it one more time.

"No one here ever entertained the notion that Paul could win".

If you rethink this thing and use this as a basis of thought, things may appear a little more clear to you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   10:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#39)

Really? That's not what I recall.

Let me see... primaries hijacking theory... does it ring bells? Like RP's supporters are 10 times more likely to show up and therefore they would win... Shall I continue?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   10:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#39)

"No one here ever entertained the notion that Paul could win".

If you rethink this thing and use this as a basis of thought, things may appear a little more clear to you.

Do you have any idea who he's having an argument with yet?

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   10:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)

Yep, I was with Buchanan and yep, his '00 run was the end of my personal political participation. About Obama? I hope he wins. Looking at Hillary sickens me and McKooK is mental. That said, I can't understand the enthusiasm some are showing for him. He clearly has differing positions on all the major issues and I've caught heat (bozo'd) by some for simply pointing it out. I don't understand how some think Obama, if elected, would be allowed to alter the Agenda of the MIC. We're talking about an investment of trillions of dollars in our Iraqi venture alone. We want their land, oil and access to other points in the Middle East. But mostly our effort is a joint effort w/Israel. The plan to partition Iraq was hatched back in '82 and brought to this forum by Horse, only to be ignored in favor of 'hope.' As I said, I'm confused.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   10:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

My 2c:

The fact that you're posting a thread about your impressions of these 2 people says more about you than them.

If you don't care for them, fine. Just bozo them and move on. No big deal.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-11   11:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

The campaign maintains that its fundraising success among average Americans has lessened its reliance on big donors. Donations of less than $200 account for nearly half of Obama's contributions, compared with a third of Clinton's and a quarter of Sen. John McCain's, according to the Campaign Finance Institute. More than 1 million people have given money to Obama's campaign.

Interesting front-page article in today's Washington Post, Big Donors Among Obama's Grass Roots.

Despite the headline, the article makes it clear that Obama's campaign depends much less than McCain's or Hillary's on fat cat donors.

Consequently, if he is elected president, Obama will owe less to those fat cats.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-11   11:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite (#43)

The fact that you're posting a thread about your impressions of these 2 people says more about you than them.

Yes, it probably does. It says that I don't have much use for uncivil and irrational 'discussions'. I really find them to be a waste and it's difficult for me to understand and it seems strange that some people get so 'personal' on internet forums where so little of one's persona is revealed. BECAUSE of that Internet fora should be debating principles not other people's presumed, assumed or guessed motives or charcter.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   11:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

I don't understand how some think Obama, if elected, would be allowed to alter the Agenda of the MIC.

I agree, those will be interesting times. Hillary or McCain will not give us interesting times but Obama might.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   11:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: anybody (#46)

:)

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   11:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: All (#47)

Everybody sing!

"The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." -- Herbert Sebastien Agar (1897-1980) Source: The Time for Greatness, 1942

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   11:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)

moral qualities

can you please elaborate as to what you consider Obama's moral qualities?

christine  posted on  2008-04-11   11:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, aristeides, peppa, christine, all (#46)

Up.........breaking news from CNN.......yet another Iranian speed boat incident. Apparently these nutty Persians are "taunting" our naval vessels by zooming about in their 17' Watercrafts. Thank god they were driven away w/machine gun fire. On MSNBC last night Matthews/Buchanan warned of Bush doing an October Surprise (attacking Iran) in order to advance McCain and his agenda. It makes perfect sense to me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   11:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Peppa (#48)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   12:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

breaking news from CNN.......yet another Iranian speed boat incident. Apparently these nutty Persians are "taunting" our naval vessels by zooming about in their 17' Watercrafts.

I guess that's why they got rid of Adm. Fallon, so that a more compliant commander could be in charge of CENTCOM at the time of the next incident.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-11   12:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: christine (#49) (Edited)

elaborate as to what you consider Obama's moral qualities?

Sure.

He's not cheating on his wife, as far as I now. He's got 2 nice girls and, apparently, he loves them. So far, he's on the par with Bush and, maybe, with Hill Clinton too but he's way above the average politician. Now... let's look further.

Apparently Obama, as a student, was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. From what I heard, this is a most prestigious job and it's granted to one of the best students on campus. He finished at the top of his class and he could have joined just about any prestigious law firm and probably get rich soon, like Hillary tried to do or maybe become counsel to some hedgehog fund, like Hillary's daughter did. Instead, Mr. Obama decided to go back to his neighborhood and work as a 'community activist'. Some may disagree with the nature of his community work but it does show idealism and selflessness. These are good moral qualities in my book.

I also like the fact that he is running for president. For a semi-black man with very few connections this shows an enormous amount of courage. The rumor is the Colin Powell did not run for prez himself because his wife was afraid that he would be harmed in the process. Obama decided to take the risk. Courage is a good moral quality.

I also admired the fact that he did not completely repudiate his Rev. Wright. Most politicians would do such thing at the drop of a hat. Remember what Bush did to Lott. Bush is a scumbag because Lott helped him and he was a fellow GOP and all he did was say some words. But Obama had the guts and he was principled enough to say 'no' I will not abandon the man who christened my daughters and wedded me to my wife. This is admirable.

These are some of the qualities that are rare in today's politicians. I am sure that Mr. Obama has many defects but he does not appear to be a monster.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   12:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: christine (#49)

Free the Bee in vast's bonnet! Free the Bee! Free the Bee!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   12:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

Up.........breaking news from CNN.......yet another Iranian speed boat incident. Apparently these nutty Persians are "taunting" our naval vessels by zooming about in their 17' Watercrafts. Thank god they were driven away w/machine gun fire. On MSNBC last night Matthews/Buchanan warned of Bush doing an October Surprise (attacking Iran) in order to advance McCain and his agenda. It makes perfect sense to me.

!!! Damn.

Did you see where Google Earth has renamed the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Gulf?? Iran is ticked about it.

Free the Bee in vast's bonnet! Free the Bee! Free the Bee!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   12:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

That was lovely!

:)

Free the Bee in vast's bonnet! Free the Bee! Free the Bee!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   12:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#53)

Mr. Obama decided to go back to his neighborhood and work as a 'community activist'.

Vast, part of his street activism (Sharpton was one I was familiar w/in NYC) was to mingle w/the likes of Wright, Ayers, Dorne, Meeks. They all come from the hard political left. (/antenna down)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   12:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Jethro Tull (#57)

I said that 'idealism and selflessness' are good moral qualities. He refusing to enter the privileged class after graduation demonstrated such qualities.

I don't know about Ayers, Dorne and Meeks but what I heard from Wright's preaching was generally admirable. Of course, you need to take some time to think about it and to get the context. Sharpton, I don't think he's an idealist. Like I said, one may disagree with Obama's agenda and there is little in the Demo agenda that I approve but you can not deny him his moral qualities. It would be like the Bushies and others calling the 9/11 hijackers 'cowards'. Maybe they were evil and ruthless and maybe they were crazy but they certainly were not 'cowards'. So with Obama, he did demonstrate idealism and selflessness and you can't take that away from him.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   12:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#53)

I like his recent "diplomatic surge" in regards to Iran. And of course his insistence that we restore habeas corpus and withdraw our troops from Iraq. These are moral policies.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   12:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#58)

Ayers, Dorne, Meeks and Wright have all been discussed here at length, so no sense in re-posting the same material over again. I'll say this, tho, these folks will ensure Obama's demise afa middle America. The connection he enjoys is only tolerated b/c he's black and enjoys a racial double standard.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   12:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#60)

I do hope that Obama and McCain are going to find the guts to tear each other to pieces before the election. The ugliness of McCain needs to be exposed and, if Obama has any character flows they should be revealed and we need to hear from him on how he intends to address them. As for the 'guilt by association' thing... I'm sorry but I'm not buying it.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   12:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#61)

As for the 'guilt by association' thing... I'm sorry but I'm not buying it.

I'm actually not selling it, I'm just saying it won't fly in Topeka come October. If supporters of O think this forum is tough, wait until the real political operatives get rolling. And, should Bush pull the Iran card out of the deck before the election, McKooK benefits and most likely wins. IMVHO, we have as much say about who will be chosen next as does my daughters Golden Retriever :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   13:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Please add me to your bozo list fruit cake.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-11   14:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: RickyJ (#63)

Well... I remember that you like to say things meant to be unpleasant but, sometimes, you do that in a funny way - funny as in comical or amusing - so I will not ban you at this time. I am sorry.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   14:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull. the thread (#62)

IMVHO, we have as much say about who will be chosen next as does my daughters Golden Retriever.

I'd rather have the dog as the next pres.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   14:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: lodwick (#65)

I'd rather have the dog as the next pres.

Not giving a flying fig which one of these piles makes it to the throne is a liberating feeling.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   15:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull. The thread (#66)

Not giving a flying fig which one of these piles makes it to the throne is a liberating feeling.

It seems the next sock-puppet will either be a half-breed, a lesbian (allegedly), or a loon.

Way to go Amerika.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   15:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lodwick (#67)

I'm with the mutt.

Just got 2 husky-lab puppies - the sweetest doggies you can possibly imagine. They're black and white, with some gray. The girl has one blue eye. Beautiful.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   15:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lodwick (#67)

Lesmulattoloon? You make the three sound like an animal from a Dr. Seuss children's book.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   15:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#68)

Just got 2 husky-lab puppies - the sweetest doggies you can possibly imagine. They're black and white, with some gray. The girl has one blue eye. Beautiful.

Well done.

In an alcohol-induced moment of mental fuzziness, I agreed to 'rescue' a ten week old border collie puppy for a friend who has a rescue foundation.

Sweet goodness, I'd forgotten what puppies do, and the time and attention that they require...

Max is red with white boots and blaze, and the most unusual green eyes.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   15:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

Lesmulattoloon

I like it.

Thanks for the laugh.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   15:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: lodwick (#70)

They're like babies but I got 3 kids to take care of them and... man... do they grow fast.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   15:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, christine, jethro tull, allthekings'horseswontdoit (#53) (Edited)

The fact that he attended Wright's church, the fact that he did NOT repudiate Wright, and the fact that he is a Wright apologist DOES make him a monster in my book. David Duke, being a white man, could have NEVER in a million years gotten away with this slick teflon trick, but Obama is every bit the racist and has gotten away with it just because he's black.

The hypocrisy sickens me. I vote 3rd party or write in. Voting for Obama is voting for the status quo, only worse. He is the antithesis of Ron Paul in every way.

Are you ready to pay the "world tax?" God help us all. I don't know what has happened to the people on 4UM. Which is why I haven't posted in 2 weeks. "Strong delusion" has come.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-04-11   15:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#72)

At my age, everything goes, and grows, quickly...

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   16:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: IndieTX (#73)

Voting for Obama is voting for the status quo, only worse. He is the antithesis of Ron Paul in every way.

Yep.

I'm keeping my pledge of never again voting for the lesser evil.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   16:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

byeltsin was banned from LP?

I could never really figure out what that guy was talking about.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-11   16:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wudidiz (#76)

I think he is just talking about Boris having been on his 'bozo' at elpee.

With Boris talk Hawaiian pidgin or Haiku and you can reach his warmer side. As we all know the political one is shrill, dogmatic and has almost worn through several hair shirts. ;-)


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   16:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz (#76)

He was here briefly as vputin.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   16:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

I never was fond of the FReeper central premise that if you suppress beliefs and views you hate things will be alright. They don't want to see others they disagree with in their myopic and delusionary forum, and this attitude is useful only because they want the dumbest suckers possible to be able to extract the most money from them without questions come fund raiser time.

No truer words...


Vote Republicrat or Democin, it doesn't matter, you still get McHillobama

farmfriend  posted on  2008-04-11   16:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

Oh, okay. Thank you.

I never bozoed anyone.

Well, I did for a few hours maybe and then I couldn't stand missing anything, so I deleted the list.

But if I were to bozo anyone, it'd be Byteshredder. What an asshole. dink. shithead. moron. I don't like him.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-11   16:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: robin (#78)

He was here briefly as vputin.

Oh.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-11   16:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: lodwick (#75)

"I'm keeping my pledge of never again voting for the lesser evil."

My view of this evolves more slowly then this and is tempered by the in-house pecking order of what is the expectations of fellow activists to believe or advocate.

I am used to pissing people with belief systems similar to mine off. I would rather make people think then to make them happy.

I will never give an entrenched politico like John Kerry the benefit of doubt I did the last election, but will support a younger woman or man who has the choice of what political and ethical paths to take yet ahead of them.

Obama fits that category and I will support and do some work for him as seems appropriate, but I will always be quick to criticize him for bad errors he should not have made and I will not return to the Democratic Party even if he becomes one of the greatest presidents of our history.

I'm afraid that party and I have had a permanent divorce. It sleeps with the Republican party and wears the same clothes. (ugggh!)

I appreciate your personal pledge and understand well what drives your commitment to it.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   16:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: wudidiz (#80)

"Byteshredder"

Cash Wakefield of Kansas, yes I quite understand. I fought that idiot long and hard in forum the last election before he coyly lost his ALS handle to divorce himself from the persona known to rhetorically sleep with Bush's needle dick up his fat ass.

He has gotten allot better at his spin doctoring in forums, but he is still an asshole, I quite agree.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   16:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#83)

Cash Wakefield

Sounds like a made-up name like 'Wolf Blitzer'.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-11   16:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: wudidiz (#84)

It is who he is. I had the same reaction to it you do when I found it out.

But I am here to tell you it caused one of my two week time outs at elpee just to make a vague reference to it along with my friend RaisedEyeBrows with whom I was posting with at the time who recieved the same sanction I did.

She would only ban if that indeed was his real name, and that was an indication that he, Charity and some other flying monkeys from Conservababes.com had been invited over to elpee by her.

She at the time was obviously frustrated by the growing anti-Bush faction at elpee and sought some balance by calling in flying monkeys to defend Smirk and Snarl.

I have since checked and have verified that it is his real name, and I have no doubt that ByteShredder is him.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-11   16:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike (#82)

I appreciate your personal pledge and understand well what drives your commitment to it.

Thanks for understanding - I'm just tired of participating in perpetuating the fraud that has been worked on us for a hundred and forty years.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-11   16:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#46)

I agree, those will be interesting times. Hillary or McCain will not give us interesting times but Obama might

The saying "may you live in interesting times" is often used as a curse. By that definition, any one of the McHillObama trio will give us interesting times.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-11   17:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#87)

By that definition, any one of the McHillObama trio will give us interesting times.

What do you expect in terms of "interesting times" with respect to Obama?

Please leave out assassination.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-11   18:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I'm devastated that a Marxist supporting fluffer like you, Vast Gaping Marxist Crevice, has placed me on filter.

I don't know if I'll ever be able to come back to Obama4um again after this. This is truly a blow to me personally.

I'll need to take some time to digest your BOZO vanity and seek recovery treatment.

=)

_______  posted on  2008-04-11   18:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: iconoclast (#88)

What do you expect in terms of "interesting times" with respect to Obama?

LOL!

Still running that particular line, over and over.

It's is like you folks are retarded or suffering symptoms of dementia, since we all know you are sincere, patriotic, cabal-loathing Americans.

/s

_______  posted on  2008-04-11   18:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Peppa (#21)

Thanks JD!

You are most welcome, Peppa.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-11   18:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: lodwick (#67) (Edited)

It seems the next sock-puppet will either be a half-breed, a lesbian (allegedly), or a loon.

I don't have a dog in this alleged "fight" (I say alleged because, outside of the obvious gender and color differences, those three all pretty much alike).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-04-11   19:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: James Deffenbach (#91)

You are most welcome, Peppa.

:)

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-11   19:09:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: _______, iconoclast (#90)

I noticed the recent emergence at this site of a number of uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic, brutally stupid 'posters' whose only purpose seems to be that of screaming their 'views' and to attack (in an uninteresting, moronic, dogmatic and brutally stupid way) anyone who does not buy into their propagandistic nonsense.

It's is like you folks are retarded or suffering symptoms of dementia, since we all know you are sincere, patriotic, cabal-loathing Americans.

I'd say you seem determined to prove that iconoclast's description of you is correct.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-11   19:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: aristeides, iconoclast (#94)

O'fuckers

CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin Lies About the NAU, CFR, & Trilateral Commission

Not only does CNN’s Jeffrey Toobin lie about the existince of the North American Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the NAFTA Super Highway, none of the other 5 people on the screen with him correct him, though some of them clearly know better.
Here is a great video about the move to the North American Union, the CFR and a number of other great evils. Using the words of the very organizations and our own governments about their plans to make the North American Union, to make the NAFTA Super Highway and all that stuff…

Need more? Here are some links directly to some documents about it all, and all from our own government, not some outside group like the CFR which is even more obvious about the plans to dissolve America and form a North American Union (and all the candidates outside of Ron Paul and Kucinich are CFR members and/or major supporters) :
Department of Transportation
White House

SPP

Another video:

Some great quotes noted in that video…
James Paul Warburg, credited for being the architect behind the Federal Reserve and the Director of the CFR during its founding told the US Senate in 1950:

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.

David Rockefeller said:

We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……..It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.

Sara Brady in 1994 said (emphasis mine):

Our main agenda is to have all guns banned of course. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.

_______  posted on  2008-04-11   19:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: _______ (#90)

LOL!

Still running that particular line, over and over.

It's is like you folks are retarded or suffering symptoms of dementia, since we all know you are sincere, patriotic, cabal-loathing Americans.

I'll run it till I get an intelligent reply.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-11   19:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#87)

The saying "may you live in interesting times" is often used as a curse. By that definition, any one of the McHillObama trio will give us interesting times.

I am aware of the 'interesting times' Chines saying. My writings tend to be multi-layered expressions with multiple subtle and sometimes contradictory nuances and it takes some getting used to this, not that anyone needs to.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   20:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: iconoclast (#88)

What do you expect in terms of "interesting times" with respect to Obama?

The warfare state under McCain will be like George W. Bush on steroids.

The welfare state under Obama will be like Lyndon Johnson on steroids. If Obama gets his way, you can look forward to more welfare spending and social services for the indigent (including illegal aliens), more affirmative action laws, more anti-gun laws, and billions of taxpayer dollars wasted on foreign aid to Africa.

He'll be a disaster for America, in other words. The only good things that can be said about Obama is that he's not likely to start a nuclear war (unlike Mad Mac), and if we get a GOP Congress with Obama as President, we'll have partisan gridlock (the fewer new bills signed into law, the better for us). Either a Republican or Democratic Congress would give Mad Mac what he wants, which would be bad news.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-12   13:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: ... (#25)

What ever happened to coral snake? He's vanished too.

Coral Snake is at Freedom Underground and at Liberty's Flame

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