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Title: Pope won't break bread with Bush
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pope_ ... p_White_House_dinner_0411.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Nick Juliano
Post Date: 2008-04-11 18:59:11 by robin
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Views: 398
Comments: 15
The White House has scheduled a dinner next week in honor of Pope Benedict XVI's first visit to the United States, but one guest will be conspicuously absent from the proceedings: the pope himself. There are no competing events listed on the pope's schedule, and the White House was unable to explain Benedict's absence from the dinner. The pontiff will be greeted by the president and first lady upon his arrival to the US Tuesday and participate in a Rose Garden appearance and Oval Office meeting with President Bush the next day. A dinner scheduled for later Wednesday night didn't make it onto the Benedict's schedule, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Friday. From Friday's press briefing: Q (Off mike.) Benedict's schedule does not indicate any events that would conflict with his ability to attend the 7:30 p.m. dinner that Wednesday. He is just scheduled to return to the Vatican embassy in Washington at the same time after a meeting with US bishops at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington. It's unclear why the Pope won't be attending the dinner in his honor, but he is expected to touch on issues upon which he and President Bush disagree during the visit, especially the Iraq war. During his visit to the United Nations a few days later, the Pope will address "the false notion that might makes right," according to a Vatican representative. Some experts also predict the Pope would criticize the "culture of fear" in the United States. The Rev. David Hollenbach, director of Boston College's Center for Human Rights, said recently that this culture is seen as integral to the US involvement in Iraq. "Fear can lead to angry responses," Hollenbach said, according to the Connecticut Post. "I think the pope's message is going to be 'Don't be afraid.' I think the overcoming of fear can take away the impulse for war."
Pontiff not attending dinner in his honor, White House says
Q Just to clarify, for the pope's visit to the White House, you said that now there's a dinner in the East Room in honor of the pope?
MR. STANZEL: Yes.
Q Will the pope actually be attending that dinner?
MR. STANZEL: I don't believe so, no.
Q Okay. Thank you.
[...]
Q I'm sorry. The pope doesn't attend a dinner in his honor?
MR. STANZEL: No.
MR. STANZEL: He doesn't come into the building.
Q Well, then it's not a dinner for the pope, is it?
MR. STANZEL: It's in honor of his visit. There will be leaders from the Catholic community from all over the country who are in town for that visit.
Q Is there a reason the pope doesn't attend the dinner?
MR. STANZEL: I don't know. I don't have the full extent of his schedule.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
According to the prefect of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith -- who acknowledged that political questions are not within his competence -- "the United Nations is the [institution] that should make the final decision." Cardinal Ratzinger Says Unilateral Attack on Iraq Not Justified (Sept. 22, 2002).
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Probably just as well. Bush would want to shake the Pope's hand and the Pope would have to go back to the Hotel and shower after he touched Bush. Then drive back to eat dinner. The whole thing's just too complicated.
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You're assuming the Pope would pass up the golden opportunity to refuse to shake Bush's hand.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Maybe the Pope could wear a rubber glove.
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'Veddy Interestink'. my initial reaction is to think, GOOD!! But, I think of how Jesus ate with the scoundrals, .... hmm. It galls me how many Catholics seem to love bush and now mccain, and still support the war,... My dad was telling me about how he was talking to a guy at church and politics came up, he started saying how bush is the worst president, etc and the guy got very defensive, saying bush is a great president and a good man. LOL. The problem is that people do not have an inkling about history or the history of that bush family.. first off the grandfather was a NAZI financier, bush senior ATTACKED THE POPE on the floor of congress an maniacally pushed for GLOBAL GOVT COERCED POPULATION CONTROL!! www.tarpley.net/bush10.htm fascinating congressional record testimony there. I think it is a must read for every Catholic. and then you have all of them skull bones cultists? why why why do Catholics support these people! Even if we accept that sincere catholics are woefully ignorant of history,How do they reconcile the fact that both the current and former Pope vehemently oppose the iraq war, so why and how do catholics justify equally strong support of it? From the ones ive talked to, their support all had it's birth due to 911.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." sigh.. obviously thats wrong, but you can certainly follow the Catholic catechism and just war doctrine without ceding any sovereignty to the UN!! The JUST WAR DOCTRINE can be found in paragraph 2309 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It says: MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." Romans 13:1-7 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Seems to me like the Pope is refusing to follow the teachings of his own book...
TRIESTE, Italy, SEPT. 22, 2002 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger does not believe that a unilateral military attack by the United States against Iraq would be morally justifiable, under the current circumstances.
#2. To: robin (#0)
#3. To: ... (#2)
Bush would want to shake the Pope's hand and the Pope would have to go back to the Hotel and shower after he touched Bush.
#4. To: aristeides (#3)
#5. To: robin (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#6. To: aristeides (#1)
United Nations is the [institution] that should make the final decision."
"The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time: the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; there must be serious prospects of success; the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition. These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#7. To: aristeides (#3)
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. NIV
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#8. To: robin (#0) (Edited)
Abu Dubya thought it'd be cool to serve him Eggs Benedict, especially for dinner, a double Dubya joke!
#9. To: swarthyguy (#8)
lol
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
#10. To: Artisan (#5)
Our Lord ate with sinners and held others outside the establishment up as righteous examples ... Samaritans leap to mind. It occurs to me, also, that he had quite a tantrum over scoundrels at the Temple. But then Catholic bashers always give their own very special little spin to everything.
'Veddy Interestink'. my initial reaction is to think, GOOD!! But, I think of how Jesus ate with the scoundrals, .... hmm.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
#11. To: Artisan (#5)
Protestant evangelicals and fundamentalists have been the bedrock of Republican support. Matthew 7:1-5 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye.
why why why do Catholics support these people!
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#7) (Edited)
Seems to me like the Pope is refusing to follow the teachings of his own book... If you believe Bush is owed respect or honor by any person on earth then you and I are not the same kind of believers.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. NIV
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
#13. To: iconoclast (#10)
No, you dont understand, I'm not bashing Catholics, I am Catholic myself, which is precisely why i am baffled over the widespread support these freemason occultists get from Catholics, since the popes themse;ves have not only condemend the war but taught us in their official encyclicals that freemasons are devil worshipers. literally. People don't know history.
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#14. To: Elliott Jackalope (#7)
Now wait a minute, there have been plenty of articles by pastors outling how Romans 13 is NOT a directive to blindly obey corrupt governments,. matter of fact some would contend it is the opposite. a govt that does not honor its own laws and is not righteous , Christians are not obligated to obey. the government says abortion, gun control and poison vaccines are good. must we obey that? of course not
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#15. To: Artisan (#14) (Edited)
Really? Because it sure seems pretty straightforward to me. 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. What is ambiguous about that statement? Looks cut and dried to me. "Everyone MUST submit himself to the governing authorities."
Now wait a minute, there have been plenty of articles by pastors outling how Romans 13 is NOT a directive to blindly obey corrupt governments,. matter of fact some would contend it is the opposite. a govt that does not honor its own laws and is not righteous , Christians are not obligated to obey. the government says abortion, gun control and poison vaccines are good. must we obey that? of course not
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