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Title: Gog, Magog, and the Scroll of Bush - Jewish Sanhedrin Honors George W. Bush as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal
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URL Source: http://www.texemarrs.com/gog_magog_scroll_of_bush.htm
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Texe Marrs
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:23:59 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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"And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal."

Ezekiel 38:1-3

"And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord."

Ezekiel 39:6

An historic event occurred in Jerusalem this January, an event chronicled widely in Israel's newspapers but omitted entirely by America's Zionist controlled and owned press. President George W. Bush, visiting the nation of Israel, was presented with a rabbinical decree, the Scroll of Bush. The Scroll declared that he, Bush, is none other than the prophesied Gog, of the land of Magog; that is, Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal.

Even as America's economic crisis grew deeper, with hundreds of thousands losing their homes due to mortgage foreclosures, the U.S. stock market sliding south, the U.S. dollar sinking like a rock against foreign currencies, and labor statistics showing unemployment rising as more and more American workers are laid off and manufacturing sent overseas, our President George W. Bush embarked on Air Force One on an eight day trip to Israel.

Yes, like bloody Roman Emperor Nero, who reportedly fiddled while Rome burned, a callous and indifferent George Bush left a desperate country and people gasping for breath to go to the Middle East and consult with his superiors33;Zionist rabbinical overlords.

Arriving on 666, a Prophetically Appropriate Date

He arrived in Jerusalem 1/09/08, numerically translated in occult numerology as 666. On 1/11 (the 11th of January), he and Israeli Prime Minister Olmert, along with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, were taken down into the earth, inside Zedekiah's Cave, for a clandestine ritual and black mass conducted by the Grand Master of Israel's Freemasons. The same day, Bush visited Yad Vashem, Israel's version of the Holocaust Museum, where he stayed exactly 90 minutes, a number again translating into 666.

While in Jerusalem, President Bush and Prime Minister Olmert met with the press and referred to several key dates approaching. March 20th would signal the Jewish holy day of Purim, commemorating the mass murder and genocide by the Jews of more than 75,000 Gentile "enemies" of Persia (Iran) in the days of the Jews' Queen Esther. On May 8, Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary. Finally, President Bush predicted that by the end of his term in 2009 (2x9=18, translating again, into that number 666), there will be a peace treaty between the Palestinians and the Israelis. The treaty will insure that the Palestinians will forever be squeezed into their pitiful, apartheid, poverty-stricken ghettos, while the victorious Jews enjoy the fruits of their crimes, luxuriously living in an enlarged, Greater Israel.

But those things were not the most significant that happened during Bush's historic visit. No, that occurred on the third day when, at a banquet, President Bush was presented with the Scroll of Bush, a document made out on ancient parchment and signed by the three most spiritually prominent Jews on planet earth:

* Rabbi Adan Steinzaltz, High Priest of the Sanhedrin
* Rabbi Chaim Reichman, Chief Rabbi of the Holy Temple
* Dr. Gadi Schel, Chief Representative of The New Jewish Congress

The Scroll of Bush identifying the U. S. President as the "esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekial 38:1) Leader of the West!" (Click to enlarge)

The Scroll of Bush, the first page of which is pictured here, pompously claims to be promulgated, "In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God." Of course, this is not Jesus Christ, since the Jews hate and despise Jesus Christ and brand him an illegitimate bastard and blasphemer in their Judaic Holy Law, the Talmud. Jesus himself said their "Lord" is, in fact, the Devil!

Bush Identified as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal

The Scroll goes on to address Bush as, "The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush, President of the United States of America." Then, however, in a most shocking and prophetic manner, the Scroll of Bush, a document representing the entire Jewish nation both in Israel and dispersed throughout the world, a document composed by and authenticated by the highest religious rabbis on the planet, addressed Bush by yet another title: "Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), Leader of the West!"

Oh my, oh my. This is an occult mystery of tremendous prophetic significance, one so incredibly deep and so stunningly revealing that I am offering to my friends this month an exhaustive 60-minute audiotape/CD investigative report, carefully and fully explaining what all this means (Gog, Magog, and the Scroll of Bush33;Jewish Sanhedrin Honors President George W. Bush as "Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal" Tape or CD).

There can be no doubt that President Bush knows exactly why he holds the satanic title of "Gog, of the land of Magog," also known as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal. The "Leader of the West," as the Rabbis also put it, "shall be incarnated and possessed by Satan himself in the last days. The Scriptures say he, as Chief Prince, "shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:7-8).

President George W. Bush toasts Israeli Prime Minister Olmert during a visit to Jerusalem where Bush was presented the Scroll of Bush honoring him as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal; That makes Bush "Gog, of the land of Magog." "Magog" of Skull and Bones

The Tomb: Home to the Skull and Bones
The Tomb, the mausoleum-like dwelling of the 15 bonesmen chosen each year to become favored alumni of the Order of Skull and Bones. Both President George Bush, Sr. and his son, President George W. Bush, were initiated into this secret society. Each was given a secret name and Senior Bush's name was Magog.

Decades ago, as George Bush, Sr., lay naked in a coffin, inside the bowels of the Tomb, the macabre, mausoleum residence of the Order of Skull and Bones, located next to the old town cemetery in New Haven, Connecticut, his fellows performed a hellish death ritual and raised George from his sarcophagus. They gave him, as they do all initiates, a new name. Hence more, George Herbert Walker Bush would secretly be known by the Brotherhood as "Magog."

Now, on a mission for his infernal Lord Lucifer, comes President George W. Bush, son of the bonesman named "Magog," to Jerusalem, Israel. There, the chief religious officials33;including the High Priest of the reconvened Sanhedrin, the same devilish body that so long ago commanded that Jesus our Lord be tortured and crucified on a primitive wooden cross33;recognized and honored Mr. Bush as Gog, of the land of Magog, Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1).

The Unwise Haven't a Clue

Imagine: Three hundred million people residing in the U.S.A. and only a few; the wise who believe and honor the word of God and the Lord's prophetic scriptures ; are able to understand the profound nature of such a cardinal event. Of course, the rabbis and the Masons of Israel, disciples of Satan; they know. But America's Senators and Congressmen, America's TV news celebrities, America's radio talk show personalities, and the dumbed-down, Christ-rejecting masses;they haven't a clue.

The wise and informed, however, understand and shall be rewarded. But the careless and wicked shall perish in their ignorance and stupidity. Such is truth. Such is prophecy.

"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

33; Daniel 12:9-10

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All the pages of the scroll here: http://www.templeinstitute.org/megillat-bush.htm

Final plot of the Kings, and Ruler, and Judges of the earth [Psalm 2]....the Judeo-British-Israel plot to rule in an antiChrist new world order, and to destroy the American military who if they were doing something useful, would be here defending America rather than helping the barbarians inside the gate destroy her, and notice the treachery of these bastards....first they order Bush [Gog] to send in American troops to defend Israel, and out of the other side of their forked tongue they declare they will "summon a sword against him" [well not him, you can be sure the girly prez won't be anywhere near the danger]:

Global Elite Promoting ‘End Times’ Myth http://www.historicist.com/articles2/globalelite.htm I DO believe we are in the end of this world as we know it...I just don't think it will be the outcome Bush and pals are hoping for, and which the antiChrist forces have worked centuries for.

SJtract1-182 I will summon a sword against Gog on all My mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. ... He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of ... http://scepterofjudah.net/SJtract1-182.html

4um: Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War War... Mar 6, 2008 ... Scriptures Flowing from Immanuel (Isaiah 8:6-10), Spiritual Source of the Global Scepter of Judah. Core Passages and Thesis Statements ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182

I want to know two things.....1) where are the brains of those military folks in the trenches that they haven't dealt with this treason against the American people, NOT TO MENTION THEIR OWN LIVES...and 2)who is that guy in the center of that picture that looks like a parody of the Last Supper????

I don't if the following prophecy is for this time, but the bold words are TRUE:

Dan 11:14 — And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Dan/11/14.html

almost forgot: Gog and Magog are Khazar Jews, and they invade [have invaded] America, which is Restored Israel. (4 images)

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#31. To: noone222 (#30)

The most amazing thing in my mind is that the Jews call George W. their friend, then name him after the end times ENEMY OF (true) ISRAEL ... and so- called Christians don't even blink.

I know....but they also laud George Washington and his "lasting gift to generations of Jews" and turn around and call him an Edomite Freemason and Gog 1 etc etc....and they call Freemasons [their creation] their friends and turn on them as well, like the vipers they are...They are liars and deceivers and projectionists and snakes in the grass and schizoid and schizophrenic [not all of them, of course]....and so many Christians are just plain dumb. I am being harsh, but I think I am about at the end of my rope with all this foolishness....if we are not delivered from it real soon, I thing I am going to just throw in the towel and go live in la-la land with the rest of them, until they come to take me away, haha......

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-13   15:32:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#31)

I think I am about at the end of my rope with all this foolishness....if we are not delivered from it real soon, I thing I am going to just throw in the towel

Please don't do that ... we're just getting to the serious part.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-13   16:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222 (#32)

oh, i guess i was just having another down moment. give me a few....

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa040.html#31

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-04-13   17:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#33) (Edited)

The relevance of this occurrence will escape most people. This act was critical "in their minds" to whatever evil it is they have planned. I could speculate about this but won't due to the fact that I'm certain I'd under- estimate the importance.

I can't recall where I have read in the past about this cave, but I do recall that it is "the" high place of masonic/kabbalistic/sun worship ... idolatry.

A proper understanding of Ezekiel 8 is therefore needed to understand the type of idol and ritual which will be reestablished in the Temple of Solomon which will be rebuilt by a modern Knight Templar who will be the Antichrist. (FROM: watch.pair.com/templar.html)

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession:

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-14   6:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

I want to know two things.....1) where are the brains of those military folks in the trenches that they haven't dealt with this treason against the American people, NOT TO MENTION THEIR OWN LIVES...and 2)who is that guy in the center of that picture that looks like a parody of the Last Supper????

Thomas Plantard?

"... "A number of times the Scripture refers to Jesus as 'The Branch.' Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH' (Zechariah 6:12). That is one of the names in the Old Testament for the coming of the Messiah. Also, concerning the Branch, we read in Zechariah 3:8, For, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.' Also 'In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious.' (Isaiah 4:2a). He is the servant, He is a man, He is God; He is the God-man, Jesus, who has come... A confirmatory of this is that the brightest star in Virgo is called Spica, which has the ancient meaning of 'The Branch'—a picture of the coming of Christ." (D. James Kennedy) - 872:20-21

Although the constellations in the heavens do not form configurations that are definitively human, animal or vegetable, promoters of the false 'Gospel in the Stars' are of the same opinion as astrologers that Virgo holds a Branch, and that this Branch represents 'the Christ' who will come to redeem the world. E. W. Bullinger actually stated: "The day has here come to fulfill the prophecies concerning Him who is 'the Branch,' 'the Branch of Jehovah,' 'the man whose name is the Branch.'" (939) Knowing that Virgo is the Great Mother Goddess of pagan religions, the Scriptures Kennedy and Bullinger have cited will undoubtedly be used to validate a false Christ who will be promoted as 'The Branch' and whose name will actually mean "branch".

And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: - Zech. 6:12

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous BRANCH, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. - Jer. 23:5,6

In that day shall the BRANCH of the LORD be beautiful and glorious... - Is. 4:2

Isaiah 14 also mentions a branch. In the King James Version, this chapter describes the fall of Lucifer who will one day incarnate the Antichrist in his attempt to destroy the world:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an ABOMINABLE BRANCH, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. - Is. 14:12-19 ....."

".... In addition to conditioning the masses to believe their New Age propaganda, another objective of best-selling New Age books such as Holy Blood, Holy Grail is to covertly communicate secret information from the Prieuré de Sion to a specific audience—the global network of secret societies and New Age cults, all of which eagerly await the end of the Age of Pisces and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. At that point in time, the much despised Church Age will come to a close and Lucifer, in the person of the Antichrist, will reign over a Golden Age, having destroyed the Harlot Church which no longer serves his purposes.

In Holy Blood, Holy Grail, there is a childhood photo of Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair seated on the lap of Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair.

This peculiar photograph of Thomas Plantard, seated on the lap of Pierre, is conveying an esoteric message to the occultist. Please take note of the pose, Thomas sitting on the lap of Pierre. Below are some photographs of famous Black Virgins, also called Black Madonnas. Note the striking similarity of the poses of Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair with Thomas and the Black Virgins with their sons who were child gods. Notice also the masculine appearance of the 'Madonnas' and the placement of their sons between their legs:

[pic]

"Our ancient, battered, much-loved, little-understood Black Virgins are a still-living archetypal image that lies at the heart of our civilization and has a message for us.... The light of nature tells us that life is a pilgrimage, a journey to the stars along the Milky Way, her hero-path, a voyage across the great water in which she is the ship, rudder, and guiding star.

"There is clearly no return to the twelfth century, the third century or the third millennium BC. Inanna, Sophia, the Holy Grail and the Church of Amor [Catharism] are no longer available as living realities for us today. There are signs that the goddess now requires to be worshipped in spirit and in truth through the law written in our hearts, rather than in temples built with hands. One old truth is that man and woman, though different, are equal parts of a consciously androgynous whole that is each person's potential reality. Many people, shown photographs of the Black Virgin for the first time, comment on how masculine some of them look." (Ean Begg, The Cult of the Black Virgin) - 272:13,134......."

"....Will Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair be revealed as the reincarnation of Horus, i.e. Nimrod, who will at last unite the world under Lucifer? Recall that the myth of Horus is a distortion of the Genesis account of God's judgment on the Tower of Babel. (Gen. 10 and 11) Not happy with this arrangement, New Agers anticipate the return of Horus as the reincarnation of Nimrod who will finally unite mankind in a glorious revolution which dethrones God.

"Like the goddess Isis, who found and restored all of the lost pieces of her husband, Osiris, many are restoring the unity of all life, bringing together the separate parts of humanity—different races, religions and cultures." - 42:62"

watch.pair.com/false-christ.html

"side-by-side"

=========================================

"....Most likely candidate for Antichrist is Thomas Plantard de Saint-Claire, Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion......."

".... Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair (1981-1984/8) - 31:214
Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair (1989- ) - 836:1 [incorrect dates????]

* Saint-Clair means 'holy light' (Shekinah).

"The name Saint-Clair is derived from the Latin Sanctus Clarus, meaning 'Holy Light'." - 29:297

"Clairvoyance. The faulty of seeing with the inner eye or spiritual sight... Real clairvoyance means the faculty of seeing through the densest matter (the latter disappearing at the will and before the spiritual eye of the Seer), and irrespective of time (past, present and future) or distance." - 316:85....

TRIBULATION / FIRST 3.5 YEARS......"

[ATKH shekinah around star of david, and all-seeing eye on Great Seal, "British-Israel/scepterofjudah.net seeks to recreate "Great Tribulation" in Zionist plot]

"... * Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion and logical candidate for Antichrist.

THOMAS PLANTARD DE SAINT-CLAIR

The Grand Master of the Priory of Sion from 1963 until 1984 and possibly 1988, was Pierre Plantard de Saint-Claire. The (grand?)son of Pierre Plantard de Saint-Claire, Thomas, became the Grand Master in 1989 and is therefore considered the most likely candidate in the Merovingian lineage to ascend the throne of Jerusalem as world ruler. The prominence of the Sinclair family is evident in the Labyrinth of the Grail, a synopsis of which shows the Sinclair's historic and esoteric leadership of the Merovingian bloodline. There is a high probability that the Antichrist will come from this bloodline. Alisdair Sinclair and William Cooper may have been eliminated as hereditary competitor of Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair.

* The Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion from 1963-1984, and possibly 1988, was Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair.

"From 1918 to 1963, Jean Cocteau was Grand Master [of the Prieuré de Sion]... Following the unification of various powers into a secret NWO government in 1954, the [Prieuré de Sion] had a major policy dispute. In 1963 with Cocteau's death, Gaylord Freeman, helped by Antonio Merzagora and Pierre Plantard de Saint-Claire, governed the P.d.S. In 1981 Pierre Plantard took over as Grand Master." - 77:81

*

In 1989, Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair succeeded his (grand)father as Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion.

Vaincre No. 3, September 1989, page 1

Managing Editor: Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair

110 Rue Henri Dunant, 92700 COLOMBES

THOMAS PLANTARD de SAINT CLAIR becomes Grandmaster of the PRIORY OF SION

By virtue of Article XIV OF THE CONSTITUTIONS OF THE PRIORY OF SION: "their titles shall fall as of right to one of their children to be designated by them without consideration of sex."

By virtue of article XVI "the various duties and titles of Grandmaster of the Priory of Sion shall be transmissible to their successor according to the same prerogatives."

By act dated 6 JULY 1989, Pierre PLANTARD de SAINT-CLAIR, the present Grandmaster, informed the 121 Masters that, in view of the favourable response of 107 votes in favour, 5 abstentions and 9 votes against accepting the proposed succession of title and prerogative, ratification had been made on 6 AUGUST 1989 in PARIS, at 10 o'clock solar time, and that THOMAS PLANTARD de SAINT CLAIR had been proclaimed Grandmaster. Information has been sent to all members of the ORDER. - 836:1......."[more]

http://watch.pair.com/false-christ.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   11:00:30 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#35)

".....It was through the establishment of monasteries that **** the Merovingian Jews, **** whose forefathers were the Alexandrian Gnostics, began to infiltrate and mold the theology and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. Many of the popes were Merovingian monks who forced masses of European Jews to convert to Roman Catholicism., with the result that the Church incorporated traditions from both Judaism, the* **** Talmud and the **** Kabbalah. (See: Mystery Babylon the Great: Catholic or Jewish?) We believe it will be from the monastic movement that the False Prophet, a Merovingian, will rise to prominence and power as the Antichrist's right hand man.

THE PRIEURÉ DE SION

In the thoroughly pagan milieu of Alexandria, an Egyptian priest and magus by the name of Ormesius founded the monastic Society of Ormus. The members of this society included the Therapeutae of Alexandria and ***** the Essenes of Qumran—apostate Jews who had embraced the Neo-Platonist doctrine of the lost continent of Atlantis. Gnostics allege that Ormesius was a convert of St. Mark, however, **** such conversions are a common modus operandi of infiltrators with hidden agendas. ****As a false convert, Ormesius would synthesize Christianity with the paganism of Alexandria, Egypt and establish the monastic society which was the original "Order of the Rosy Cross":

"According to Baron de Westerode, the founder of the Rosicrucians was one Ormesius, who had been converted by St. Mark, at Alexandria, in A.D. 46. He purified the Egyptian Rites, and reconciled them with Christianity, carrying his disciples with him, and founded the Society of ORMUS, or of the Light, each member wearing a red cross. To this society the ***** Essenes and Therapeutae joined themselves, and conserved the Masonic Secrets." (Antiquities of the Illuminati, Part 3: 636)

The Society of Ormus would eventually relocate to Italy and, in 1070 A.D., move to territory in France owned by Godfroi de Bouillon, the first Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion. There Ormus changed its name to the "Ordre de Sion" and the monks were given a tract of land owned by one Bernard of Clairvaux. St. Bernard, who was the founder of the Cistercian Order of monks, also wrote of the Rule of the Templars. According to Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Society of Ormus, which became the Ordre de Sion, then became the Prieuré de Sion. ...."

THE MEROVINGIAN DYNASTY

SATANIC BLOODLINE OF THE ANTICHRIST & FALSE PROPHET

watch.pair.com/merovingian.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   11:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#35)

"....Most likely candidate for Antichrist is Thomas Plantard de Saint-Claire, Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion......."

".... Pierre Plantard de Saint-Clair (1981-1984/8) - 31:214 Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair (1989- ) - 836:1 [incorrect dates????]

* Saint-Clair means 'holy light' (Shekinah).

"The name Saint-Clair is derived from the Latin Sanctus Clarus, meaning 'Holy Light'." - 29:297

"Clairvoyance. The faulty of seeing with the inner eye or spiritual sight... Real clairvoyance means the faculty of seeing through the densest matter (the latter disappearing at the will and before the spiritual eye of the Seer), and irrespective of time (past, present and future) or distance." - 316:85....

TRIBULATION / FIRST 3.5 YEARS......"

[ATKH shekinah around star of david, and all-seeing eye on Great Seal, "British-Israel/scepterofjudah.net seeks to recreate "Great Tribulation" in Zionist plot]

4um: Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War ... The purpose of the Scepter of Judah websites is to prepare God's People for the Great Tribulation. God's People do not deserve to be ... www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182

4um: The Patsy. The Great Tribulation....Armageddon (All brought to you compliments of the City of London)]:. scepterofjudah.net/SJtract1-91.html ... www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84668

THE SCEPTER OF JUDAH copyright 2006 The Scepter of Judah website is presented in order to inspire God's People in the era called the Great Tribulation. Sacred Scripture is presented in four ... scepterofjudah.net/

THE SCEPTER OF JUDAH copyright 2006. The Scepter of Judah homepage provides the student of sacred Judeo-Christian scriptures the ... The Great Tribulation & Armaggedon UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT ... scepterofjudah.net/SJhomepage.html

Scepter of Judah 2008 American-Israeli Triumvirate The Scepter of Judah's American-Israeli page presents Scriptural passages ... and the imminent Great Tribulation, will be honored by Israel's apostles and ... www.scepterofjudah.com/SJReports/IsraeliStatesmen.html

Zion Daily Report The Scepter of Judah websites' daily summaries The Zion Daily Report is a part of the Scepter of Judah project. This report presents Biblical ... defend God's people in this era of the Great Tribulation. ... www.scepterofjudah.com/SJZionDailyReport.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   11:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)

Jesuit Black Pope bump

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-02   12:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#36)

THE MEROVINGIAN DYNASTY

SATANIC BLOODLINE OF THE ANTICHRIST & FALSE PROPHET

http://watch.pair.com/merovingian.html

more Dan....

THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST. by. Janet Moser. "...the snorting of his horses was heard from ... http://watch.pair.com/dan.html

Merovingian Lineage of 2008 Presidential Candidates. Merovingians are the offspring of the tribe of Dan which intermarried with the .... comments in green print are those of Watch Unto Prayer. ... Highly recommended for further reading are: The Merovingian Dynasty, The Lost Tribe of Dan, ... http://watch-unto-prayer.org/dragon-lineage.html

4um: The Rising Son of the House of JP Morgan. 8 posts - Last post: Jan 16, 2008 One of the most important articles for understanding the occultic NWO I have ever read: The Lost Tribe of Dan http://www.watch.pair.com/dan. ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=71068

4um: Mideast Leaders Sit Tight, Await End Of Bush Era. In Cairo, Baghdad, Tel Aviv and the Gaza Strip, no one rose to the Bush ... The Lost Tribe Of Dan - The Early Jewish and Christian View Of The AntiChrist. ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59209 [includes tribe of Dan link to tribe of Ephraim, which is one of the tribes the British Monarchy's "divine right to rule" supposedly [doesn't] come from.]

4um: There are several other matters about the Baalbek stones that ... http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31796 ... Dan was at the 33rd Parallel. . ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31899 :

".....Iranian President Ahmadinejad asks: are Jews human beings?

"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Look, they are destroying homes with the people inside. They are burning fields. Neither children nor adults are safe from them. With laser-guided bombs, they attack shelters of defenseless women and children, leaving them in a pool of their blood."

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "They have no boundaries, limits, or taboos when it comes to killing human beings. Who are they? Where did they come from? Are they human beings? 'They are like cattle, nay, more misguided.' A bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians. Next to them, all the criminals of the world seem righteous."

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31796 [NOTE: SEE JUDGES 18]

Rothschild - Opus Dei Connection To Israel [war at the 33rd parallel]

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31887

...

Here is the article I have an excerpt of, but the one I copied was entitled THE SECRET OF BAALBEK. I copied the part about "The Search For Dan" Note, please, the reference to "el-Kadi". One of my Bibles states that the city of Dan is now known as the Arabic city Tel Al-Kadi ["hill of the judge"]. Sounds an awful lot like Al Queda. Dan was at the 33rd Parallel. Please see THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN at http://watch.pair.com. ......"

"...II. Consider the People

The Arcadian roots of the Merovingians, Spartans and Celts seem to be connected to the tribe of Dan because of their use of Dan-related place-names, personal names and peculiarities, i.e., Baal/goddess worship and architectural skills.

III. Consider the Locations

The Tribe of Dan inherited the pre-flood paganism [Baal worship] of the Canaanites [descendants of Ham and his son, Canaan] who occupied the northern area of Palestine at Mt. Hermon/Sion. Located at the 33rd degree, the ancient tribe of Dan influenced the basis of modern Freemasonry.

IV. Consider the Symbols

The symbols of the tribe of Dan are used by the Merovingians, the House of Stewart [Prince Michael] and the Judeo-Masonic authors of the Protocols of Sion [Representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree]...." ]. ......."

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31899

Rothschild - Opus Dei Connection To Israel [war at the 33rd parallel]

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31887

MUST SEE....NAMES THE FINANCIAL WIZARDS THAT BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD ECONOMY, INCLUDING BARCLAYS OF LONDON.:

"....“BARCLAYS, A BRITISH BANK, HAS EMERGED AS THE FIRST AMONG NEAR-EQUALS….ONE OF THE LARGEST SINGLE HOLDERS OF U.S. COMPANIES, IF NOT THE LARGEST — ABOUT $1 TRILLION WORTH.” … UNSETTLING CORPORATE GOVERNANCE ISSUES… more *** Note , this article mentions State Street along with Barclays, not realizing the connection of ownership between the two AND that many of the other “shells” also mean Barclays, which means Lazard which is “The link between The Society {of Skull and Bones} and certain British interests”. If one totalled all of those as one, what it means is the entire American economy not just Raytheon, is being run by a cabal of Skull and Bones elitists and their British masters believed to be the Rothschild dynasty and the the House of Windsor.

M. Rothschild Empire may own Lazard outright and there are intertwined family bloodlines between these illuminati elitist private banking houses. more.

Conclusion: The British-Israel Foundation in its magazine Destiny said that their new global theocracy would begin on September 11, 2001. more scroll to bottom. The Rothschild Dynasty is behind the missiles killing children on the 33rd parallel. Also located on the 33rd parallel is Baalbek, the city named after the demon Baal also called Moloch. The remains of possibly 30,000 children have been found there as burnt sacrifices or holocausts to this entity. The Order of Death seeks to take over this grandest of human sacrifice sites on the Masonic parallel of death and power. more . It is targeting children to gain psychic power. This is not an accident. This is human sacrifice and black magic....."

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**** Conclusion: The British-Israel Foundation in its magazine Destiny said that their new global theocracy would begin on September 11, 2001.

MUST SEE: http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/art...rael/british-israel-2.htm

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Dan at the 33rd parallel in America:

Where is New Jerusalem? Beyond the Rivers of Ethiopia

http://www.historicist.com/america/zephaniah.htm

» 33rd Parallel Masonic Line of Death Row Human Sacrifice Ritual Dec 28, 2005 ... And the existence of death row directly on the 33rd parallel could be ... very close to being exact to the death row in Atlanta for females. ... http://www.rinf.com/columnists/n...ow-human-sacrifice-ritual / http://www.redicecreations.com/s.../12dec/33rdsacrifice.html

Underground!: The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, ... - Google Books Result by Preston Peet - 2005 - History - 343 pages Whatever the rationale, the 33rd parallel is a path of power across the globe, a circuit that ... Denver: The Denver Museum of Natural History, 1973. p. ... books.google.com/books?isbn=1932857192...

Along the 33rd Parallel: A Global Mystery Circle The first stop on our tour along the 33rd parallel is the metropolis of Phoenix, ..... H. M. Wormington, Prehistoric Indians of the Southwest (Denver, ... www.redicecreations.com/s...eports/2006/10oct/33.html

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   13:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#38)

Jesuit Black Pope bump

I was just going to connect a couple of dots to the Vatican next. :}

The conspiracy [Psalm 2: Why do the heathen "RAGE...." = "conspire, plot".] just goes on and on and on.....

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   13:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40) (Edited)

re: the Vatican, Islam, and "The Antichrist"

Roman Catholicism came out of Judaism [See Mystery Babylon, Catholic or Jewish? http://watch.pair.com], and the Vatican invented Islam. See below:

[edit...oops...forgot the first part!]

"HISTORY OF THE ANTI-CHRIST MYTHS

The most popular Antichrist myths of our time are considered to be 'Futurist' interpretations because they believe that the 'anti-Christ' has not yet come and they try to prophesize as to when the coming of the 'anti-Christ' will occur. Many people are unaware that this futurist interpretation has only gained greater popularity since the 1800's. Previous to that time many people (Historcists) believed that Bible prophecy is meant to the church through all times. This means that 'anti-Christs' have been with us throughout the church's history and will continue to be with us until the 'end times'.

So how did the futurist myths gain popularity in the first place? Churches have promoted them, as a response to the Historicists, some that believed the pope, was 'anti-Christ' and that the church itself was promoting spiritual deceit.

One of the most famous Historicists was the reformer, Martin Luther. If we look back in time to 1519 when Martin Luther was trying to reform the Church of Rome we find he was the first to call the pope 'anti-Christ'. Later he even wrote a letter to Pope Leo X informing him that he (the Pope) was the 'anti-Christ' of that time. Many of the reformers also saw the Pope and Papacy as 'anti-Christ'.

Vatacan

Luther nailed his thesis on the door of the Wittenburg church; as a result many of the congregation left the Church of Rome. Luther had started a movement that made many people examine the scriptures more carefully.

When the Church of Rome realized that many were listening to Luther and other reformers, they became worried because much of the money that it was used to getting was now cut off. So the Church of Rome made plans to win the people back to the mother church. One of these plans was to start a group called the Jesuits. The highly trained Jesuits set out to win the people back. In 1585 a Spanish priest called Francisco De Ribera, wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation to show that the Pope was not 'anti-Christ' but that the 'anti-Christ' was some single person who would appear someday in the future.

The Roman Catholics published comments as footnotes in the Latin Vulgate edition of the Bible, for Catholics to read. In summary Ribera said, "anti-Christ' is a political leader, and an individual, who will appear someday in the future". He will make a covenant with the Jewish nation in the last days. He would rebuild the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem, where the Muslim 'Dome of the Rock' now stands, and will restore animal sacrifices for the Jews, and would rule there for 3 and one half years. He will be world ruler, with authority over all nations, using miracles to back his claims, and put the church under him during a great 'tribulation'.

Ribera's work was able to shift the focus away from the Papacy. His works were later found and published by John Nelson Darby and others from the early 1800's on.

The dictionary says of the word Papacy;

pa·pa·cy (p³"p…-s) n., pl. pa·pa·cies. 1. The office and jurisdiction of a pope. 2. The period of time during which a pope is in office. 3. A succession or line of popes. 4. Papacy. Roman Catholic Church. The system of church government headed by the pope

The article continues and says;

This view of the 'anti-Christ' as a single, evil entity yet to come has been capitalized on by churches who wish to align their followers with God against an identifiable single human embodiment of evil that will appear.

Notice that the above paragraph says that this evil entity called 'anti-Christ' will be used to unite (align) their followers against a single human anti-Christ who will appear upon the world's stage. He (this 'anti-Christ') will be the embodiment of everything that is evil.

Also not only is this anti-Christ story theme being taught in the Paganated Christian Churches of Mystery Babylon it is also being taught and believed in the Islamic world. You will see this same source connection as we get further into this project. In other words the anti-Christ myth being taught and believed in the Christian West is the same 'anti-Christ' myth that is being taught in the Islamic world. These two 'anti-Christ' myth being taught in the Christian world and the Islamic world are two sides of the same coin.

The article continues and says;"

roytaylorministries.com/am00378.htm

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"Many willingly follow this belief as it focuses the sins and evil on some unknown adversary rather than on themselves or those they follow. Unfortunately, this steers the followers away from recognizing the true anti-Christs that are amongst us-those that resist the anointing of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

If you would like to research this subject further go to

http://grailangels.com/forum/rss.asp

and download their free PDF file.

In conclusion you can see from this historical record that **** the so-called 'anti-Christ' bogie man is really a myth that has been propagated down through ancient history to this very day.

This 'anti-Christ' myth propagated by the Catholic Church was also passed along and eventually infected the Protestant Churches. This anti-Christ myth has become their Church doctrine also. As you know the Protestant Churches came out of the Catholic Church and as they left the Catholic Church they brought this anti-Christ myth with them along with all of their other pagan rituals.

Later on in this project you will see that the Catholic Church continued to propagate this 'anti-Christ' myth and still continues to do so today. The Catholic Church has also infected the Islamic world' and their religion with this 'anti-Christ' myth.

As you read further into this project you will see that this 'anti-Christ' myth has now infected all of Christendom and Western Civilization. This 'anti-Christ' myth has also infected the non-Christian Eastern World which includes the Muslim and Islamic religions.

As you read further into this project you will see that this 'anti-Christ' myth will be one of the instruments that will be used in bringing all of the heathen nations to the last battle of Armageddon. This 'Battle of Armageddon' will be fought here in America. America is 'The Zion of Bible Prophecy'. This battle will be waged against the true Messiah who symbolically rides upon a white horse as this scripture says;

Rv 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev. 19:19: AND I SAW THE BEAST, AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, AND THEIR ARMIES, GATHERED TOGETHER TO MAKE WAR AGAINST HIM THAT SAT UPON THE HORSE, AND AGAINST HIS ARMY.

Below is a video showing a Mr. Hagee, whipping up anti-‘Christ’ hysteria amongst the Christian people in his church. Mr. Hagee is a televangelist based in San Antonio, Texas. This video is like a Hollywood production and plays well amongst his followers.

He is a Christian-Zionist. Mr. Hagee just adores and worships Jews. He also supports the Bandit State of Israel and sends them much money that he receives from his congregation. Mr. Lieberman, the Jewish Congressman from New England, appears in this video and praises him.

The video is only about 60 seconds long and is well worth the time taken to download it. I would like to note that if you watch this short video very carefully he said that he said that the ‘anti-Christ’ will be Jewish and a homosexual. As you can believe it did not go over very well with the Jews. Actually Mr. Hagee hit the nail right on the head when he said that the ‘anti-Christ’ would be Jewish. Bible students know that the Jews are an ‘anti-Christ’ race. Enjoy the spectacle.

The video is below.

Hagee: AntiChrist Is Gay, German & "Partly Jewish" [see link]

WHERE DID THE RELIGION OF ISLAM COME FROM?

The following information is from;

http://www.reformation.org/vatican-and-islam.html

The article says;

Obelisks are reverenced at Rome . . . and stoned at Mecca. Wearing a cross at Mecca would probably get you stoned too. Both systems are masterpieces of Satan (Mystery Babylon), yet diametrically opposite on the outside. This is a sure recipe for wars and conflicts.

Here again you can see that the stage has been set hundreds of years ago for the conflict between the Christian West and the Moslem East. It says that these two systems, (Rome and Mecca) are diametrically opposite of each other and ARE A SURE RECIPE FOR WARS AND CONFLICTS. This statement is backed up by Bible prophecy, as you will see.

The article continues and says;

No sign symbolizes ancient Egypt and the Pharaohs more than the pyramid and obelisk. An obelisk is just a 4-sided pillar with a pyramid on top.

Vatacan

There is an obelisk in the middle of St. Peter's Square in the Vatican.

Mecca

There is another obelisk at Mecca, in Saudi Arabia.

At the Vatican, the obelisk is considered a 'sacred symbol' and the Pope faces it when he addresses the pilgrims below. At Mecca, the obelisk actually represents the devil or Satan.

Pilgrims on Hajj actually throw stones at the obelisk at Mecca. This symbolic stone throwing is supposed to represent throwing stones at the devil. On the surface, the two systems seem to be diametrically opposite, but under the surface they are tied together by their tails.

Here you can see that the two systems, (Babylonian Catholicism and Babylonian Islam), both originate from the same source. They both originate from the Ancient Egyptian and Babylonian religions. Notice also that in Rome the obelisk symbol is considered sacred but in Mecca the very same obelisk symbol is considered evil or of Satan. Since the Islamic pilgrims in Mecca throw stones at this obelisk these Islamic Pilgrims are symbolically throwing stones at the Christian West, which Roman Babylonian Catholic obelisk represents.

The article continues and says;

To the unwary, Roman Catholicism and Islam seem to be diametrically opposite religious systems. On closer examination however, we will see that Islam is a creation of the Vatican and it is the BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY!! It is only a smokescreen to blind the unwary.

In other words what this article is saying is these two systems, the Muslim East and the Christian West, are two sides of the same coin.

The article continues and says;

During the Dark Ages, millions of Roman Catholics were sent to fight the "infidel" Moslems. Most of them never saw their homes again. These centuries long wars, called the Crusades, were also smokescreens or distractions to enable the Catholic Church to become the richest landowner in Europe.... Islam was the best enemy money could buy!!

THE NAKED ONE-EYED MESSIAH, THE STONE WITH SEVEN EYES, THE ANTI-CHRIST, THE DAJJAL, AND THE DARK MESSIAH PAGE NINE"

http://roytaylorministries.com/am00379.htm

[that's better]

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The Illuminati plan for World War III entails the Moslem world and political Zionism setting out to destroy each other [see THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS], in Palestine. [you can discern this at the http://scepterofjudah.net site.] "Israel" first demands that George Bush send US troops to fight and die for Israel....and die they will if all goes according to the Illuminati plan. Within the scepterofjudah site you will find embedded the passages from Ezekiel 38-39 which have Gog's forces dying in "Israel". "Gog's" forces = U.S. troops. duh. Their Ezekiel 38-39 scenario would also have a nuclear attack on America. The goal is the destruction of Christianity and the enthronement of Lucifer.

"Why do the heathen rage...." and "The gates of hell shall not prevail against my church". bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm

See AMERICAN PIE

http://www.roytaylorministries.com/

http://www.roytaylorministries.com/am01225.htm

http://roytaylorministries.com/am00122.htm [there's that number 11 again....someone had a post on it yesterday]

I don't agree with all the author's conclusions, but I do agree that Christian America is true Israel/Zion.....and I know you disagree with that.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   13:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#41)

Premillennialism/THOUSAND-YEAR-REIGN-[OF MEROVINGIANS]-HOAX refuted:

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=94857&Disp=1#C1

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   14:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40)

Jesuit Black Pope bump

I was just going to connect a couple of dots to the Vatican next. :}

If it weren't for so much prophecy that had to be fulfilled and if He weren't so full of grace and mercy; it should have been over a long long time ago. Really

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-02   14:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#35)

Saint-Clair means 'holy light' (Shekinah).

Partially right. Shekinah represents what you refer to as the Holy Spirit, where in actuality it's the female aspect of God.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-02   15:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#34) (Edited)

I can't recall where I have read in the past about this cave, but I do recall that it is "the" high place of masonic/kabbalistic/sun worship ... idolatry

There are elements of idolatry in the modern Christian religion as it derives directly from those who DID worship idols, (ie. Romans) along with various other pagan religions, eg, you have Christmas on the same day as Yule for example.

Paul had never met Jesus yet claimed to be an apostle. If you read up on the conflict between Paul and Peter, it's apparent that Paul was NOT teaching what Jesus taught, yet it is HE who in collusion with Rome managed to eradicate the TRUE early Christians, the Ebionites and Nazarenes, along with all of their writings.

It is HIS words you read in your Bible, along with the words of the people you hate, (ie. that of the Jews themselves in the Old Testament).

I am perplexed as to how people who hate Jews so much could believe their every single word, and use their words in every aspect of their thinking.

That you hate that which you don't understand simply shows that you are full of hate. The Kabbalah is simply mystical teachings passed on orally over the millenia from one generation to the next. In its purest form, it simply teaches a person how to become more spiritual, more in tune with that which is God.

It HAS been twisted into many things over time, but the knowledge itself isn't evil, it's what SOME people do with that knowledge.

I'd say the false prophets are evangelists and others who take the Bible as the literal word of God. It is they that are teaching the opposite of what is righteous, and many of them are just hateful people trying to incite hatred in others, a kinship of hate if you will.

Hatred is the opposite of what Jesus taught. The REAL Jesus that is.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-02   15:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rotara (#43)

1) If it weren't for so much prophecy that had to be fulfilled and 2) if He weren't so full of grace and mercy; it should have been over a long long time ago. Really

Sorry I had to take a nap....these people wear me out.

You made two very good points. I have long believed that the NWO is headed by the Tribe of Dan. Yes, I know "Edom is in modern Jewry," but I have long seen traits of Dan in modern Jewry as well.

1) I think prophecy is on the verge of being COMPLETELY fulfilled. I believe Christian America is the New Israel/New Jerusalem. God told Abraham "his seed" [Gen. 15:13-14/Gal. 3:16...29] would be servants in a land "not their own" and they would afflict them 400 years. ['THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY EXTORTING TAXES FOR 'THE CROWN' (THE 'CITY OF LONDON').] The Israelites were never afflicted 400 years. They were in Egypt 430 years to the day, but it wasn't until "a new king arose who knew not Joseph" arose, that they began to be afflicted. [Exodus 1] Joseph lived to be 110 years old. [Genesis 50:22] When you do all the math of Joseph's age when he began to rule, and when his family came into Egypt, and when Joseph died, the MOST they could have been afflicted would be 360 years. When you figure that "Semitic kings" [sometimes called the "Shepherd kings", who some say were Edomites, and whom "British-Israel" say were ZARAHITES, cousins of the tribe of Dan, from whence comes the "RED HAND" superimposed on the Star of David on the Ulster flag], who were said to rule for about 200 years, then the Israelites were only afflicted about 160 years, if even that. MANY of the colonists who came over to Jamestown were SLAVES, euphemistically [sp?] called "bondservants", but they were SLAVES [see Michael Hoffman: THEY WERE WHITE AND THEY WERE SLAVES]. The London Company that sent them over here were of THE HOLY GRAIL FAMILIES. You might say Christian Americans have been afflicted from the time they PLANTED THE CROSS AS SOON AS THEY GOT OFF THE BOAT AT CAPE HENRY, or very shortly thereafter. At any rate, we are now in that time frame where we are gathered in our land [Zechariah 2:4], and the Gog and Magogians have used us to conquer the whole world, and have stealthily invaded us with their fifth columns, and are now gathering to finish us off: Ezekiel 38:11.......

Gog and Magog, according to THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE http://[biblebelievers.org] are the antichrist Jews, and Gog and Magog are the "mascots" of the CITY OF LONDON:

http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog / http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60690 / http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78446

"...."The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans by Alderman Sir George Wilkinson, who was Lord Mayor when the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog." ....." [I'll get back to the phoenix.]

Not only that, but I find it interesting that the statues were destroyed along with much of the city in 1666:

"...in 1672, the Pageantmaster Thomas Jordan referred to them as “two exceeding rarities”, and stated that “at the conclusion of the Show, they are to be set up in Guildhall, where they may be daily seen all year and I hope never to be demolished by such dismal violence as happened to their predecessors.” He was referring to the destruction of much of the City by the great fire in 1666.

2) if He weren't so full of grace and mercy; it should have been over a long long time ago. Really

The following is often attributed to Jacob, which I disagree with. I believe, and once read a rabbinical writing that said, it refers to Dan:

Genesis 49:18 "For Your salvation I wait, O LORD. King James Bible I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD. American King James Version I have waited for your salvation, O LORD. American Standard Version ... bible.cc/genesis/49-18.htm / http://kingjbible.com/genesis/49.htm

I knew about this one, and I find it interesting that it is also found in Psalm 119, an endless lament about finding God's grace by FOLLOWING THE LAW. I never thought this psalm belonged in the Bible. It's so incongruent. noone222 once told me, if I remember correctly, that it was thought to have been written by Zarah, or someone in that family. That would make more sense: see http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html#Zarah [I need to spend some more time explaining Zarah].

Psalm 119:166 I hope for Your salvation, O LORD, And do Your I have waited with hope for you to save me, O LORD. I have carried out your commandments. King James Bible LORD, I have hoped for thy salvation, ... bible.cc/psalms/119-166.htm

"....174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

175 Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.

176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments."

http://kingjbible.com/psalms/119.htm

Yo, Dan or Zarah, or whomever you are....LOSE THE TALMUD! KNOCK AND YE SHALL FIND:

bible.cc/matthew/7-7.htm / http://kingjbible.com/matthew/7.htm .......

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

bible.cc/revelation/3-20.htm / http://kingjbible.com/revelation/3.htm

Psalm 119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek Your Bible in Basic English I have gone out of the way like a wandering sheep; ... Isaiah 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to ... bible.cc/psalms/119-176.htm

Isaiah 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, ... bible.cc/isaiah/53-6.htm

Yo! Listen up, Danites/Zarahites!

The Suffering Servant: Isaiah 53 and Why Isaiah 53 cannot refer to the nation of Israel, or anyone else, but must be the Messiah

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...ArtNum=94235&Disp=All&#C1

Revelation 3:9 [See Genesis 50:15-21/ bible.cc/mark/11-26.htm / kingjbible.com/romans/11.htm 25-36.

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The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog." ....." [I'll get back to the phoenix.]

The phoenix was originally going to be on the Great Seal. They chose the eagle instead. The Illuminati has pegged America to be the phoenix to go down in ashes, from which their New World Order will arise:

DEATH OF THE PHOENIX: FINAL ACT FOR THE USA ... http://watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html

I don't worry too much about it. God has promised to be a wall of fire around JerUSAlem, and to knock their "bow and arrows" out of their hand.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   17:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#46)

Yo! Listen up, Danites/Zarahites!

The Suffering Servant: Isaiah 53 and Why Isaiah 53 cannot refer to the nation of Israel, or anyone else, but must be the Messiah

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...ArtNum=94235&Disp=All&#C1

Revelation 3:9 [See Genesis 50:15-21/ bible.cc/mark/11-26.htm / http://kingjbible.com/romans/11.htm 25-36.

bible.cc/revelation/3-9.htm

bible.cc/genesis/50-15.htm / http://kingjbible.com/genesis/50.htm 15-21.

[are we up to it?]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   17:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#46)

You make a compelling argument.

I really have a superiorly hard time with New Jerusalem not being currently stationed above Old Jerusalem (waiting to descend), but rather being in North America and more precisely our beloved united States of America.

I would have to go back to some areas of the Old Testament again to review and I will do so relatively soon.

I'd get a kick out of you knowing the mystery though.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-02   17:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#47)

I may or may not get back to Zarah, but to wrap up their little plot to recreate the circumstances of the Book of Revelation, MOST OF WHICH ALREADY HAPPENED IN 70 AD [see DAYS OF VENGEANCE by David Chilton - online book...great read!], the following quote from my tagline:

".....Speeches delivered at the B'nai B'rith Convention in Paris explain Luther's changed attitude toward "Jews":

"As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism, and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come . . . And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated to our future King of the World . . . We have founded many secret associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our direction. We have made it an honor, a great honor, for the Gentiles to join us in our organizations (such as Masonry), which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot, should never know that those associations are of our creation, and that they serve our purpose. One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our Universal King of the Jews; and should never know that we are commanding them to forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World . . . We have induced some of our children to join the Christian Body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Christian Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: 'Let some of your children become cannons, so that they may destroy the Church.' Unfortunately, not all among the 'convert' Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honored their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful. We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation!

Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation. Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends unknowingly, and again, by Jewish authority, and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success. But unfortunately he discovered the deception, and became a threat to us, so we disposed of him as we have so many others who dare to oppose us. . . (Phillip II, by William Thomas Walsh, p. 248: 'The origin of Calvin' (whose real name was Chauvin). See also: Lucin Wolf, in Transactions, Jewish Historical Society of England, Vol. XI, p. 8; Goris, Les Colonies Marchandes Meridionales à Anvers; Lea, History of the Inquisition of Spain, III, 413).

Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm "

www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm

And here we have on this thread, the outline of that plot, including [see DEATH OF THE PHOENIX] the plan to make America appear as Babylon. We aren't Babylon, which was old Jerusalem [see DAYS OF VENGEANCE], but we sure as hell are dwelling with her daughter!

bible.cc/zechariah/2-7.htm

Now, what are we going to do about it?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   17:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#48)

I really have a superiorly hard time with New Jerusalem not being currently stationed above Old Jerusalem (waiting to descend), but rather being in North America and more precisely our beloved united States of America.

I recently read somewhere a comment that some "sages" see the "coming down" as more like being "let down".

The whole book of Revelation is very symbolic.

Review these:

"The kingdom of God/Heaven cometh not with observation."

"Why stand thou looking up in the clouds? The Lord will return the same way He went up". [paraphrase] Would He come back the same way, in reverse this time? Like a mustard seed, perhaps, that grew and grew until BAM! you see a tree that fills the whole earth?

Those are only two that come to mind at the moment.

Oh wait....see Matthew 13 and Luke 13. He describes the Kingdom: wheat vs tares, sheep vs goats, mustard seed vs. LEAVEN [Beware the Leaven of the Pharisees!]. It's all right here.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   18:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#50)

Where will the Temple be built ?

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-02   18:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rotara (#51)

what???

1Cr 3:16 — Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

EXCERPT:

ye are

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Hbr 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

www.blueletterbible.org/s....cfm?b=1Cr&c=3&v=16&t=KJV

wait a few [or more....] let me gather my thoughts and go back to the building of Solomon's temple....

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   18:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#52)

The Holy Temple is rebuilt and then Messiah returns.  

Ground rules for interpretation of scripture.
 
Scripture can only be interpreted by scripture. If it does not all flow together something is not right. Secondly, scriptural interpretation must be simple enough that common people can understand it. If interpretation becomes a convoluted mixture it causes confusion, and that, we know, is not of God, because it does not allow instruction in righteousness. Thirdly, let’s put the idea of "rapture" in correct perspective. What is called “rapture” by many is actually a misnaming of "our gathering together unto Him [Messiah]," 2 Thess 2:1. This “gathering together” includes two events: 1) the resurrection of the righteous dead, and 2) the changing & catching away of the righteous living to meet Messiah in the atmosphere. These two events happen in unison, with the resurrection of the dead preceding the changing/catching away of the living, if only by a short span (1 Thess 4:16,17). So, being faithful to scriptural terminology, I will not use the unscriptural term “rapture”, but instead I will use “catching away” or “gathering up” as a paraphrase of the scriptural “gathering together unto Him” and being “caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the LORD in the air,” 1 Thess 4:17. By using the term “gathering up” I will refer to both the resurrection and the catching away. With this understood, I will rephrase the first sentence: The Temple of YHVH (GOD) in Jerusalem will be built again before Messiah Y'SHUAH returns at the gathering up of His holy ones.

Prophetic timetable for the Temple rebuilding
The Temple of GOD will be built again before Messiah Y'SHUAH (Jesus) returns for His people. This is proven on the basis of the New Covenant (B’rit Chadashah) writings of Paul (Sha’ul), John (Yochanan) and Matthew (Mattityahu) quoting Y'SHUAH. It was Y'SHUAH who said, “in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word will be established,” Matt 18:16. So, starting with Paul, as the first witness, I intend to show unmistakably that the Temple must be built before Y'SHUAH comes in His Kingdom. In fact, it will be built before the resurrection and “rapture” of the saints.


SHA’UL, (Paul) our first witness

Let’s prove this by the prophecy of Rabbi Paul (the Apostle Paul) 

2 Thessalonians 2: 1-4: “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Ruler, Y'SHUAH the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto Him, that you not be soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Messiah is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, until there comes an apostasy first, and that man of sin be revealed, the condemned offspring, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohim, or that is worshipped. So that he, as Elohim, sits in the Temple of GOD, demonstrating himself that he is Elohim.”

Paul is assuring the holy ones that they have no need to be troubled about whether or when they will be gathered to be with the Messiah. He warns them not to be deceived otherwise. Y'SHUAH will not return and they will not join Him at His coming until there comes an apostasy (a falling away from the truth which began almost immediately after the apostles died) and, the “man of sin” be revealed. So as not to leave anything in doubt, Paul gives the sure event which will reveal this man. The event is the act of him sitting “in the temple of G-d, showing himself that he is GOD”. This means the “man of sin” cannot be revealed without the Temple being rebuilt. In addition, this whole event precedes the coming of Y'SHUAH and the “gathering up” of the holy ones. Therefore, according to the record of the Apostle Paul, the end cannot come until the Temple of GOD is rebuilt. The rebuilding of the Temple precedes what many Christians call the “rapture”, which is the gathering up of the holy ones, both dead and living.


YOCHANAN, (John) Our second witness
The second witness, John, in the book of Revelation, is not as straight forward as Paul, because there are various opinions concerning the chronology of Revelation, and Revelation is more allegorical in nature. However, if we accept the general chronology of Revelation, which this writer does, then we can see a correlation between Revelation and Paul’s prophecy in 2 Thessalonians. The Messiah returns to earth:

Revelation 19:11,14,15: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He who sat on it was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean ... And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should punish the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron. and He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of El-Shaddai.”

And relating to the resurrection event with the time of Messiah’s coming:

Revelation 20:4, 5 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them ... and they lived and reigned with the Messiah a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection ”

Paul showed that both the resurrection of the dead and catching away of the living happen when Messiah returns to the earth (2 Thess 4:16,17), and Revelation confirms that these events coincide. In chapter 13 of Revelation we see the “man of sin” revealed, herein called the “beast” or “creature.” 


Revelation 13:1,6: “And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a creature rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy ... And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against GOD, to blaspheme His Name, and His dwelling place, and those that dwell in heaven.”

Here the “man of sin” blasphemes GOD’s dwelling place. This parallels Paul’s account of him sitting in the Temple and declaring he is GOD. In addition, in Revelation’s chronology, the Temple is already rebuilt at this point, because it’s reconstruction is told before chapter 13:

 Revelation 11:1, 2: “And there was given to me a reed, like a rod. Then the messenger stood, saying, ‘Rise, and measure the Temple of GOD, and the altar, and those that worship therein. But the court which is outside the Temple leave out, and do not measure it, for it is given unto the Gentiles, and they shall tread the holy city under their feet forty and two months.’ ”

Therefore, if we accept the general chronology of Revelation, allowing exception for some parenthetical historical material which is set forth in parabolic passages (such as, “the Woman and the Man-Child” in Revelation 12), then there is a firm scheduling of events in John’s Revelation which shows the Temple is rebuilt (Revelation 11,13) before the coming of Y'SHUAH and our gathering to Him (Revelation 19, 20).


Matittyahu (Mathew) quoting Y'SHUAH, (Jesus) our third witness:

Y'SHUAH also prophesied these last day events with succinct clarity. It was His desire to prepare His disciples that were to come for the events surrounding His “day”, the time of His return.

Matthew 24:4 “And Y'SHUAH answered and said unto them, ‘Take heed that no man deceive you,’ ” . He then began to describe a definite chronology of events which must transpire in the order given (if you believe He is the infallible Holy One). 

Matthew 24:15,16,21,22,29-31: “Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place, then let them which are in Judah flee into the mountains ... For then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be again, and except those days should be shortened, there would no flesh be preserved, but for the chosen ones’ sake those days shall be shortened ... Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give it’s light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in the atmosphere, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of the atmosphere with power and great glory ... And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the atmosphere to the other.”

The “Holy Place” (Mikdash) in which the abomination takes place is, of course, the Temple, for Mikdash is the correct Hebrew word for Temple. The one committing the abomination is the “blasphemer” spoken of by Daniel, who must be Paul’s blaspheming “man of sin” and Yochanan’s blaspheming “beast”. The record shows that the Temple must be in place before the abomination takes place. It shows the abomination must take place before the great tribulation period. The great tribulation takes place before sun and moon are darkened. The sun and moon are darkened before the Messiah appears in the clouds. The “gathering together” of the chosen holy ones takes place with the appearance of Y'SHUAH. This gathering by the angels/messengers is the only act of preservation of the holy ones which Y'SHUAH mentions, and must be the same as the “gathering together unto Him” which Paul tells about, which means it is the resurrection of the dead and the catching up of the living. Therefore, Y'SHUAH declares the Temple to be in place before He comes again, and before the resurrection and catching away (“rapture”).

These three witness agree as one, without any conflict. It’s simple, easy to understand, clear, and without confusion. The Temple of GOD will be reconstructed before Y'SHUAH returns for His holy ones.

4um Traitor
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-02-02   18:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Rotara (#53)

okay.....that's going to take awhile, and I have something to do. Hopefully, I won't be too tired to get back to this tonight. I definitely want to continue this. First of all what is your source? It looks Jewish. I will have to read all of this, but I believe a lot if not most if not all of the things above already happened. The following certainly did [this is part of the NWO plot - premillennialism]:

Revelation 20:4, 5 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them ... and they lived and reigned with the Messiah a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection ”

www.bible.ca/pre-rev20-satan-bound.htm

Along with Micah 4:9-13/Ezekiel 38-39, [and many other passages], I believe we are at Revelation 20:7-10.

Remember this:

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

bible.cc/acts/17-24.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-02-02   19:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FormerLurker (#45) (Edited)

I am perplexed as to how people who hate Jews so much could believe their every single word, and use their words in every aspect of their thinking.

Distinguishing between Israelites/Hebrews and Khazar/Ashkenazi JEWS is where much difficulty is found.

Ashkenazi Jews (Khazars) are not descendants of the Biblical Hebrews that are credited with Biblical scholarship. These people are converts to Judaism. The time of their conversion was 750 A.D. ... long after the scriptures were written. The imperial point being that these people that currently make up 90% of the so-called JEWISH / ISRAELI (not to be confused with Israelite) population were never part of the covenant that alleges to promise land to descendants of Abraham THROUGH JACOB. They simply aren't descendants.

I agree completely about Paul.

Paul had never met Jesus yet claimed to be an apostle. If you read up on the conflict between Paul and Peter, it's apparent that Paul was NOT teaching what Jesus taught, yet it is HE who in collusion with Rome managed to eradicate the TRUE early Christians, the Ebionites and Nazarenes, along with all of their writings.

Paul was trained by Gamaliel, the leading Pharisee of his day, and he held the coats of his comrades while they murdered Timothy. There are many reasons to distrust Paul's writings and they make up 80% of the New Testament.

Paul may have been the first NEO-CON ...

If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.

Henry David Thoreau - 1849

noone222  posted on  2009-02-03   2:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: FormerLurker (#45) (Edited)

It is HIS words you read in your Bible, along with the words of the people you hate, (ie. that of the Jews themselves in the Old Testament).

I am perplexed as to how people who hate Jews so much could believe their every single word, and use their words in every aspect of their thinking.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

The origins of the Khazars are unclear. Following their conversion to Judaism, the Khazars themselves traced their origins to Kozar, a son of Togarmah. Togarmah is mentioned in Genesis in the Bible as a grandson of Japheth. [The conversion mentioned didn't occur until 750 A.D.]

{The lineage designated as "heirs" of the promise did not descend from Japeth, but rather Shem.}

If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.

Henry David Thoreau - 1849

noone222  posted on  2009-02-03   9:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: noone222 (#56)

I don't believe that the God who created all that exists would "choose" any particular "tribe" of people over any other. It is just that those doing the writing declared themselves "the chosen", how surprising...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   15:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Rotara (#53)

and that man of sin be revealed, the condemned offspring, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohim, or that is worshipped. So that he, as Elohim, sits in the Temple of GOD, demonstrating himself that he is Elohim.”

I dont understand why people think Paul was a traitor. But you post the above about a literal temple being rebuilt and use a scripture written by Paul to prove it.

WHat is the temple Paul writes about?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are (5748) the temple of the living (5723) God; as God hath said * (5627) , I will dwell (5692) in them, and walk in (5692) them; and I will be (5704) their God, and they shall be (5704) my people.

You're the temple, and the man of sin (you and me) sits in that temple being our own god. Unconverted people "oppose and exalt himself above all that is called Elohim, or that is worshipped". Tearing down that temple exposes the "man of sin", YOU. Until that happens, the concept of sin is silly. After that happens, it's not so silly anymore.

But, to each his own.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-03   15:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: FormerLurker (#57)

I don't believe that the God who created all that exists would "choose" any particular "tribe" of people over any other.

I'm OK with people having their own beliefs, and you're certainly entitled to have yours. I thought the conversation was more concerned with what the Bible states or beliefs people have based upon the scriptures, not your personal thoughts.

If a thousand men were not to pay their tax bills this year, that would not be a violent and bloody measure, as it would be to pay them, and enable the State to commit violence and shed innocent blood.

Henry David Thoreau - 1849

noone222  posted on  2009-02-03   16:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#59)

I'm OK with people having their own beliefs, and you're certainly entitled to have yours. I thought the conversation was more concerned with what the Bible states or beliefs people have based upon the scriptures, not your personal thoughts.

I'm just saying that there are problems with believing a BOOK, as it has been shown that the book itself is not infallible, as those who wrote it aren't infallible and at times had an agenda that had nothing to do with what God wanted or said.

That there ARE some gems of truth within the context of that book is quite possibly true, but my point is that the same general core beliefs that people consider to be Judaism is what led to the writing of the Torah, and that of course is what the Bible itself stems from.

Whether those holding those beliefs are the same people geneologicaly doesn't really matter, as those who wrote the original texts held the same core beliefs.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   17:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: PSUSA (#58)

I dont understand why people think Paul was a traitor.

Paul of Tarsus (Saint Paul, the apostle Paul) persecuted the original Christians and helped Rome eradicate them, for heresy of all things.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   17:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Actually he helped the priests eradicate them, not the Romans. He was on his way to Damascus to imprison and murder more when he was converted.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-03   17:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: PSUSA (#62)

He was on his way to Damascus to imprison and murder more when he was converted.

I'm not only talking about what he did BEFORE his self proclaimed "conversion" in regards to his "vision", I'm talking about what he did afterwards...

If you haven't yet seen this, perhaps you should take a look. It's pretty much in tune with anything you could find in regards to historical fact and related reference material...

YAHSHUA OR PAUL


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   17:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#63) (Edited)

"ESSENE NAZARENE JUDAISM" mentioned in the article does not exist outside a few references (google has 8), and some of those references are copy/paste of the same reference. This tells me it was all made up.

Since a good portion of the article depends on the existence of this form of judaism, I'd like to see some proof this existed.


It should be noted that while the Essene Nazarene Christians did not believe in the remission of sins via Jesus' sacrificial death, THEY DID BELIEVE JESUS PERFORMED A POWERFUL WORK ON THE CROSS. Fallen angels who had become disembodied demons were tampering with the subtle, etheric atmospheres of Planet Earth; especially: 1) the energy vortex involved with the process of exiting the body at death; 2) the purgatorial realm of past life review between incarnations; and, 3) the energy vortex involved with the process of taking new birth. For Jesus to purify and reorganize those subtle, etheric atmospheres of our planet, IT WAS NECESSARY FOR HIM TO DIE AS A HUMAN BEING AND ENTER THOSE SUBTLE REGIONS THROUGH THE ENERGY VORTEX WHICH WAS INFESTED WITH PARASITIC DEMONS


Sorry, but I, IMO, find that to be silly. On what do they base these things on? This sounds new-ageish to me.

Rev. Brother Nazariah, D.D.? Who is he? Not that it matters because I dont give a whit where he got his doctorate, but he claims it and I'd like to see the proof. Otherwise he is just using it to try and gain credibility.

James Kennedy had 5 or 6 REAL doctorates, and he didnt have a clue either.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-03   18:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: PSUSA (#64) (Edited)

If you read the article you can look up the scholary references it mentions, and you can also use Google to look up the word ESSENE.

It is a given fact that there DID exist such a Jewish sect, and it is even mentioned in various historical texts which are used to verify Biblical events.

Ever hear of Josephus?

As far as the quote concerning the demons that led to the fall of original man, and the references to what Jesus did between his crucifixation and his resurrection, well that is something that might or not be true or untrue, I haven't looked into it deeply enough (spiritually) to know either way.

There are even more questionable quotes than that scattered throughout the Bible however, so if you believe what's in that, then you should have no problem believing what is written in that article.

Here's some other sources to get you started if you're interested...

Essenes (Wiki)

Essenes (Catholic Encyclopedia)

Essenes (Jewish Encyclopedia)

The Nazarenes of Mount Carmel


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   18:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: PSUSA (#64)

This tells me it was all made up.

Either you didn't look too hard or you have problems looking things up on the net. I gave you some links to follow to mainstream information sources, you can't deny they exist.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   18:33:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: PSUSA (#64)

You might also be interested in finding the book named The Essene-Christian Faith: A Study in the Sources of Western Religion by Martin Larson if you wish to know more.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   18:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: PSUSA (#64)

Here's some more terms for you to look up if you're interested...

Nazarenes

Ebionites


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-02-03   18:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#68)

Yes, I've heard of the Josephus and the Essenes, etc. What I have my doubts about is "ESSENE NAZARENE JUDAISM" and "vortexes" and "etheric atmospheres" and other things in that article.

If that's what you believe, I won't argue with you. We all have that right, just so no one gets hurt. I am not one that tells people they "MUST believe as I do or burn forever".

If one has a problem with Paul, what did he ever write that was contrary to Christs' teachings?

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-02-04   6:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

x-ref:

Audio: Obama, Netanyahu & the War of Gog and Magog

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...i?ArtNum=101987&Disp=3#C3

4um: Reputation as Satan's lair bedevils Washington Gog, Magog, and the Scroll of Bush - Jewish Sanhedrin Honors George W. Bush as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal http:// 207.114.84.211/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78446

The Battle of Gog and Magog: Prophetic Deja Vu Oct 25, 2007 ... http://www.newjerusalemcommunity.net/?c=49&a=1953 [good site...TOTAL preterist, though]

"10/08/07

Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical War of Gog and Magog

by Ezra HaLevi

http://(IsraelNN.com) US President George W. Bush said a nuclear Iran would mean World War III. Israeli newscasts featured Gog & Magog maps of the likely alignment of nations in that potential conflict.

Channel 2 and Channel 10 TV showed the world map, sketching the basic alignment of the two opposing axes in a coming world war, in a manner evoking associations of the Gog and Magog prophecy for many viewers. The prophecy of Gog and Magog refers to a great world war centered on the Holy Land and Jerusalem and first appears in the book of Yechezkel (Ezekiel).

On one side were Israel, the United States, Britain, France and Germany...... On the other were Iran, Russia, China, Syria and North Korea......"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123961

see also :

4um: NKorea Plans to fire missile at Hawaii on Independence Day [#102042]

and 4um: Pull out of Korea (and everyplace else) [sorry I can't post the URL's....my computer is struggling and they are not posting on my computer]

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"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we need a world of our own." - Maurice Samuel 'You Gentiles', P. l55 Harcourt, Brace. 1924

"It is often said that Judaism is the driving force of communism; but this does not prove anything beyond that which is expected and only natural ... is it surprising that Judaism should become the fermenting and destructive element in countries which have always despised and persecuted it? That peculiar facility for intrigue, stratagem, conspiracies, and that patient, almost uncanny waiting for the hour of never-failing revenge, are all characteristics of the chosen people." - Prof. F.A. Ossendowski The Nineteenth Century and After (London) P.29 January, 1926

"The two Internationales of Finance and Revolution work with ardour, they are the two fronts of the Jewish Internationale. There is a Jewish conspiracy against all nations. - Rene Groos Le Nouveau Mercure Paris, May, 1927

Jewish Israeli professor – Arnon Sofer - made this quote to the Jerusalem Post regarding the Jewish-Zionist-Israeli people:

"If we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day. If we don't kill we will cease to exist."

-Israeli Prof. Arnon Sofer of Haifa University, Jerusalem Post

'Judaism is not a religion at all. It’s a license to lie, cheat, steal, rob, exploit, prostitute, enslave, destroy, torture, murder… as long as the victim is not Jewish. It’s a mental disease somewhere in between bipolar disorder and psychopathy. It’s the membership in a terrorist, satanic cult.' -Andrew Winkler, Editor/Publisher, ZioPedia -

Jesus to the Pharisees: "Ye are of your father the devil. He was a liar and a murderer from the beginning."

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-06-19   13:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

Final plot of the Kings, and Ruler, and Judges of the earth [Psalm 2]....the Judeo-British-Israel plot to rule in an antiChrist new world order, and to destroy the American military who if they were doing something useful, would be here defending America rather than helping the barbarians inside the gate destroy her, and notice the treachery of these bastards....first they order Bush [Gog] to send in American troops to defend Israel, and out of the other side of their forked tongue they declare they will "summon a sword against him" [well not him, you can be sure the girly prez won't be anywhere near the danger]:

Global Elite Promoting ‘End Times’ Myth www.historicist.com/articles2/globalelite.htm I DO believe we are in the end of this world as we know it...I just don't think it will be the outcome Bush and pals are hoping for, and which the antiChrist forces have worked centuries for.

Global Elite Promoting ‘End Times’ Myth

Television gurus preaching a fraudulent “end times” and “last days” theory popularized in the 19th century are helping lay the groundwork for world government by corralling good Christians into supporting a doctrine that has no Biblical basis.

True Christian fundamentalism, based on the teachings of the Bible takes the Bible at its word and accepts that Christ accomplished all that he intended to do while on Earth and that His kingdom is here and is within you. That’s the powerful thesis put forth by John Anderson, producer of the video The Last Days. On Dec. 16, Anderson made a return appearance on Radio Free America (RFA), the weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press with host Tom Valentine. (A transcript of Anderson’s first appearance on RFA was published in AFP’s issue No. 19.)

What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. Comments by Valentine are in boldface. Anderson’s responses are in regular text.

The person responsible for popularizing this clap-trap that the “end times” and “last days” are coming was a shady character named Cyrus I. Scofield.

That’s true, but Scofield was not the originator. Scofield got these false teachings from John Darby, who got it from Edward Irving and Margaret McDonald, a 14-year-old girl who had a dream and began writing letters to Irving describing what she thought was going to happen.

Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren and when Scofield got hold of what Darby and others were teaching, he produced the Scofield Bible in 1909 and there have been many revisions of it since then. Although they never say “who” revised Scofield’s work.

Researchers have said that it was a powerful New York attorney, Samuel Untermyer, who was instrumental in arranging for the Oxford Press, which was controlled by the Rothschild banking family, patrons of the Zionist movement, to publish the Scofield “bible.”

Students of history recall that Untermyer, who was a major player in the Zionist movement, was the one who blackmailed President Woodrow Wilson with the love letters that Wilson sent to his mistress, a certain Mrs. Peck. The history of this sordid affair was described in The Barnes Review* in its March/April 2000 issue. In its January/ February 2001 issue, The Barnes Review described Untermyer’s famous “holy war” speech that helped launch World War II.

So many people today believe that the words of Scofield are the words of the scripture. I tell people that if you’ve got a Scofield “bible,” then throw it away.

Most people who call themselves Christians do not study and read God’s word for themselves or they allow their thinking to be influenced what they have been told based on the teachings of Scofield.

If you look at the Tim LaHaye series, Left Behind, he and his associate have each made some $10 million on this, playing on the fear and unknowing faith of the Christian public. Doom and gloom sells, but truth does not.

Thanks to the influence of Scofield and his sponsors, Untermyer and the Rothschild family, many Christians today believe that God promised a certain tract of land in the Middle East to the people we know today as Israelis.

You are referring to the promise that God made to Abraham. God keeps his word and he certainly did. In Joshua 21, verses 43-45, it says that the Lord God gave unto Israel all the land. So God did fulfill the promise that he made to Abraham.

But was the promise of this land to those known as the Hebrews a promise that this would be their land forever?

No, it was not. First of all, the old covenant between God and the Hebrews was conditional. Although God kept his word, there was nothing in that promise that it would be that way forever. The old covenant was conditional.

The key word is “if.” That is, if the Hebrews kept their part in their covenant with God. But all throughout scripture the prophets continue to predict that the Hebrews will break that covenant by disobeying God and that, eventually, they will lose it all.

And eventually, they did lose it all. This is what is important: it was never solely an ethnic issue as to who “Israel” was. The issue always had to do with those who had faith and believed in God.

For example, the United States is often referred to as a “Christian nation.” That does not mean that everyone in the United States is a Christian. But those who follow Christ by faith and by faith alone are of that spiritual seed.

In Numbers 9:14, if strangers came in and kept the ordinances and the males were circumcised, they were accepted as a part of Israel. So it was not that this exclusive, nationalistic issue that many people try to hang onto. Spiritual Israel was always the issue.

God said that Israel as a racial entity was going to be the one that the prophecies were made to and the messiah was going to come through. God divorced Israel but he did not divorce Judah, because the messiah had to come through Judah, as the prophecy was made in Genesis 49:10.

Remember the parable that Jesus used about wineskin? He said you did not put new wine into an old wineskin. The issue was that the new covenant was not going to be accepted by old covenant Israel.

That’s the key thing: people with power in this world refused to accept God’s prophecy and what He had brought about. You have people who call themselves “Christians” who believe that this “Israel” of today is still the Promised Land and that God’s promise is going on in perpetuity and that God has a hand in this modern-day political mess in the Middle East and that we have an “end times” coming. They suggest that Christ effectively failed and did not fulfill God’s plan.

That is exactly what dispensational theology teaches: The Jews rejected the kingdom and, as a result, it was put on hold. That’s utter nonsense. When they came to Christ and tried to make him king after He had fed the 5,000, he slipped away from them. He had not come to set up a physical kingdom. That was never His intent. It was always a spiritual kingdom with a spiritual people.

To expect Christ to return and rule over a literal kingdom is to believe that everything Christ did when he was here on Earth was a failure. How could the Son of God be a failure?

Correct. The people who are saying that Christ failed and has to return are suggesting that God was caught off guard and He had to come up with a “Plan B.” That’s absurd. Yet we still have many evangelical Christians believing this nonsense, thanks to Scofield.

The historical and Biblical truths about the destruction of Jerusalem are not something that is widely taught to Christians in America today. Christians are not taught that this was the fulfillment of God’s promise and was literally the hand of God Himself destroying the old order completely and totally.

Every Jew knew that the “Heaven and the Earth” was the temple. That’s what Jesus meant when He said that “Heaven and Earth” would pass but that His word would not pass. That is the prophecy of Isaiah 65: the New Jerusalem that came out of Heaven, the new “Heaven and Earth” that John spoke about in Revelation 21 when he said he saw a new Heaven and Earth and no more sea. What John was saying was that there was no more separation, no more exclusivity. Now God’s kingdom was open to all.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the physical destruction of the old temple by the Roman armies was a signal that God’s kingdom was now in place. Christ predicted in Matthew 24 what would happen, and the truth is that what happened in Jerusalem in the times of Titus—the Roman who destroyed Jerusalem—you cannot find anything else in history to match it for horrible events.

Christ said that the whole system that the Pharisees stood for was going to be destroyed. His disciples came to him on the Mount of Olives and asked, “When shall these things be?” Every one of them knew that there was going to be a new Heaven and Earth, a new age, a new covenant. Christ described to them all that would happen before it would transpire.

Today people say that we are living in “the last days” and the world is coming to an end, but in Luke 21 (which is parallel to Matthew 24 and Mark 13), Christ said, “Take heed that you be not deceived for many shall come in my name, saying, ‘I am Christ. The end draweth near.” He said you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars and then said that there would be wrath upon “this people.” That’s the key: he’s referring to the flesh-and-blood individuals he was talking to at that time. The issue in Luke 21 is that he said that only the apostles themselves would be able to say when the end had come. That means that anyone after them would be a false prophet if they were predicting the end times had come to Earth.

The prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem was made to those people in that land, not to the whole world and that is another key to understanding all of this.

The people of Jerusalem practically ate each other. It was a horrendous end time in the most classic sense.

Josephus, the historian, even said that if Titus, the Roman, had not lifted his finger, the Jews of the time would have probably destroyed themselves from within. More than a million were killed and, at the end, only 100,000 were left. They went into captivity.

There is a well-known Christian columnist, Cal Thomas, who seems to believe that everything Israeli leader Ariel Sharon does is directed by God Himself.

That is the sentiment today: that everything Israel does is because it is ordained by God.

The original “Israel” was dissolved by God, and if you look at the world today from a correct Biblical sense, based upon what we have in the Bible, there is no such thing as a “Jew.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia itself says there is no such thing as a Jewish race. There is only a Jewish religion now and that is what came out of Babylon and had nothing to do with the Bible and its times.

Is today’s Judaism the religion of the tribe of Judah?

Predominantly today, yes. Under the years of Babylonian captivity they came up with the synagogue-type of Judaism that is being practiced today. When you start looking at the Jewish Talmud, you find things to tally contrary to God’s word, yet there are some today who say that “Christianity came out of Judaism,” and that is absurd. We are not a Judeo-Christian country. The United States started out as a Godly, Christian country. Not all of those who founded this country were Christian but at least the ideas of the Bible were incorporated into our nation by many of the Founding Fathers.

God had his prophets on the Earth and when Christ fulfilled the promise, the temple was gone and the old way of doing things was wiped out.

It was fulfilled. It’s amazing to me that there are those who don’t believe it. We say “trust in Jesus” and “take him at His word,” but many don’t.

Every single person has Jesus right there if he so chooses. It has nothing to do with race or sex or height or anything. God’s kingdom is within us.

It is open to any and all who believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

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I DO believe we are at the end of "the age".

Jesus did not just say His kingdom was not in the world. In the next breath He said it was not NOW in the world. Matthew 13 and Luke 13 state that it IS IN THE WORLD. He plants the good seed in THE FIELD, and THE FIELD IS THE WORLD.

As I have said repeatedly, He planted the New Israel/New Jerusalem in America.

The enduring legacy of the First Landing
Apr 27, 2007 ... The event was the first landing of the Jamestown settlers. ... In fact, it was an actual gauntlet thrown in the face of the enemies of Christianity ... "This land now belongs to Christ and His people. ... www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421

See Psalm 2.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-09-29   9:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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