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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
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Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking: You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
RACIST. Fullout.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
This is the furore du jour on Lou Dobbs' show and, I suspect on other shows. Hillary says that it's not true. She only saw pumped up people, full of enthusiasm and ready to roll sleeves. The McCain says that it's unbelievable to say the truth about people being bitter. I mean... don't we all love it? My view: he proves, again, that he is a thinking man, capable of facing reality. I believe that the essence of what he said is true. What's missing, and maybe this thing is all out of context, is how he things this is going to develop. Is there a happy end? I'm curious of what his views are on where we are going. On the other hand, I don't know what these bitter people are going to do when they hear Hillary claiming that everyone is cheerful and full of enthusiasms. Interestingly, on Lou Dobbs' poll... Do you believe that Senator Barack Obama's comments reveal his elitist attitude toward every hardworking American? Dobbsy usually gets 99.5% supporting what he wants to be supported. This time the majority is with the Obamer. Very interesting, while the punditry are screaming political Obamicide.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I see Clinton and McKooK have picked up on this. We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth. "antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment" You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work. Tell you what slick, up front, hundreds of us changed registration just to vote against you on April 22.
I think Philly has had Blacks for many years. At the end of the 18th century, Philadelphia was a city of hope for African Americans. Pennsylvania had passed the first gradual abolition act, and Philadelphia was home by 1790 to some 2,000 free blacks. Some had bought their freedom after working during the Revolutionary War, some had been freed because by slaveholders moved by revolutionary ideals. All had hopes for the future in the new country built on the ideals of independence, but doubts as to whether the declarations of liberty and equality would apply to them. 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Up yours Barry Hussain.....sell that crap to the California freaks. I'll be here with my guns. I just came back from a Ron Paul rally at PSU. I was pleasantly surprised at the number of kids (1500, give or take in the rain) and their desire for freedom from central government.
Don't confuse me with the facts like that. I WANT to believe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton loaded up the buses with them and shipped them up there to torment Cyni just recently.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
My small town has never, ever had blacks. Now we do. They did have enough smarts to get out of Philly and its crime. We do not even have a cop, not a one, closest one is 15 miles away. They do sponge off our social services but just perhaps their children will learn something from the local white trash that go to church and love their guns.
This from McKooK... "McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Obama’s statement “remarkable” and “extremely revealing.” “It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president of the United States who is more out of touch with average Americans.” Schmidt also said it shows Obama views the people he’s trying to relate to with “contempt.”
I was raised by a black woman. Was a pallbearer at her funeral a couple of years ago. She was 93. I loved that woman as much as I do my own mother. I went to school with blacks, played football and other sports with them, etc. East Texas is heavily "white trash" also, as you would put it. There are sorry white people and good black people as well as the reverse of that. This small town is somewhat similar to what Obama was describing, but not entirely. I think where he got it wrong was saying that a fascination with guns and religion comes from economic distress. No, it predated it. It's in people's blood in the Bible/Ammo Belt.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
robin... You see nothing in this to get upset about??? Even Clinton and McKooK took umbrage and I can tell you this, I take personal offense to anyone suggesting I "cling" to religion.
It's a slap to the gun culture, and given his previous statements on the 2nd, will hurt him. It's already leading the cable news shows.
Its slap to all of us and I hope the local rags carry it in banners tomorrow as even dead head local democrats will curse Obama.
I suppose it would depend upon the way it was said. But the entire context is one of sympathy. What if he had said they cling to their families and churches?
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
He's saying that it is not surprising that there is a lot of distrust in a small community that has been through job losses, IMO.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Cyni, Olbermann MSNBC opened his show w/the statement in complete context and he knows it's damaging.
sympathy.????? Perhaps I need new glasses or a better translation.
When Hillary Clinton decides it is racial arrogance, you better believe she knows from her own experience. I hope they beat Obama over the head with it. The local rags will certainly be all over it tomorrow.
I take it as a typical liberal condescending comment, especially given his gun- grabbing proclivities. This will hurt him in PA which is a huge gun state.
Or maybe a beer? ;P
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I live in the ammo belt. Sounds catchy.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
It has already begun and it isn't limited to Hillary. McKooK has chimed in too.
If you are offended, then I suppose it was insensitive. But I honestly don't think he meant it that way.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
That is very true. Maybe he meant they are leaning back on what is familiar and secure.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
I can assure you that thousands of Pa neanderthals will be POed tomorrow morning. Any man that would make such a statement has no qualifications for the office of president, none. He suffers from elitism hoof and mouth disease.
I'm actually not offended. Nothing a politician says can offend and/or shock me any longer. I've written them out of my life. Believe it or not I'm being objective here and IMO his comment is a mega mistake. His 2nd amendment positions will now be the focus of both Hillary and McCain and when it's examined closely, it's a deal buster for middle America.
Nope, it's pure communism in action. Using peoples hard times against them again -- making an assertion that guns and religion are false posessions of security. The right leader will help relieve you to cast away such antiquated thinking and fetishes. We will give you a new religion and security state.
That is the exact message that his NWO masters have programmed him to utter.
Agreed.
Bye bye, Obama. You just became a small footnote in history.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss. Bye bye, Obama. Man, I think (hope) you're right. Dude can't help but step on his own, true colors.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
This is a dangerous man.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work. I swear you must live near me.. ;-)
While there are a cpl small towns here, that "may" fit his statement, the other 99% of Pa does not fit it.. Yes, we have Guns, Yes, we go to Church and Yes, we have lost Jobs, but we Don't Give Up and we sure don't Give In..
Their kids or grandkids will make it feel just like home.
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I wont be here to see it.
"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he said. "Robert A. Gleason Jr., chairman of the Republican Party of Pennsylvania called the remarks "incredibly insulting" and predicted that many in his state, where Mr. Obama has trailed Mrs. Clinton in surveys and polls poorly against Mr. McCain, would agree. "In light of this most recent statement, I believe Americans are going to have even more questions about his values. Not only do these comments reveal a condescending elitism, Obama illustrates to us just how out of touch he is with middle-class America." Mr. Gleason said."
I'm not surprised that Barry slipped on a banana peel, after all haven't we spent the better part of last month documentation his various left-wing political positions? Even his admirers can't rationally argue that he isn't a gun grabber. What blows me away is that despite what we've uncovered, he is still their guy. Geraldine Ferraro is right; if he were white, he'd never be where he is today.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestAnd it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.
#2. To: christine, *Obama 2008* (#0)
They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn't seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure.
#3. To: christine (#0)
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Yes 46% 4158
No 54% 4786
Total Votes: 8944
#4. To: robin, christine, Jethro tull (#2)
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
#7. To: robin (#5)
#8. To: Sam Houston (#7)
#9. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine (#6)
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
#11. To: Cynicom (#9)
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
#12. To: robin (#11)
they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
#13. To: robin (#11)
Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
It's a slap to the gun culture,
#15. To: Cynicom (#12)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#17. To: Cynicom (#14)
Its slap to all of us and I hope the local rags carry it in banners tomorrow as even dead head local democrats will curse Obama.
#18. To: robin (#15)
sympathy.
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
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#20. To: robin (#16)
they cling to guns or religion
#21. To: Cynicom (#18)
#22. To: Sam Houston (#10)
#23. To: Cynicom (#19)
I hope they beat Obama over the head with it.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
#25. To: Sam Houston (#10)
I think where he got it wrong was saying that a fascination with guns and religion comes from economic distress. No, it predated it. It's in people's blood in the Bible/Ammo Belt.
#26. To: robin, Jethro tull (#24)
If you are offended, then I suppose it was insensitive
#27. To: robin (#24)
#28. To: Cynicom (#18)
Perhaps I need new glasses or a better translation.
#29. To: Peppa (#28)
We will give you a new religion and security state.
#30. To: Cynicom (#29)
That is the exact message that his NWO masters have programmed him to utter.
#31. To: christine (#0)
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.
#32. To: honway (#31)
#33. To: Peppa, cynicom (#30)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#34. To: Cynicom (#4)
We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth.
#35. To: robin (#16)
He's saying that it is not surprising that there is a lot of distrust in a small community that has been through job losses, IMO.
#36. To: Cynicom (#8)
They did have enough smarts to get out of Philly and its crime.
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#37. To: Refinersfire (#34)
#38. To: Tauzero (#36)
#39. To: Refinersfire, robin, christine, Jethro Tullthis from the Washington times (#35)
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#40. To: Refinersfire, robin, christine, Jethro Tull (#35)
This from the Washington Times..
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
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