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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhi ... -surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
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Views: 6528
Comments: 263

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.

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#2. To: christine, *Obama 2008* (#0)

They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn't seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

I see Clinton and McKooK have picked up on this.

We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth.

"antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"

You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work.

Tell you what slick, up front, hundreds of us changed registration just to vote against you on April 22.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   19:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Up yours Barry Hussain.....sell that crap to the California freaks. I'll be here with my guns.

I just came back from a Ron Paul rally at PSU. I was pleasantly surprised at the number of kids (1500, give or take in the rain) and their desire for freedom from central government.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This from McKooK...

"McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Obama’s statement “remarkable” and “extremely revealing.”

“It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president of the United States who is more out of touch with average Americans.”

Schmidt also said it shows Obama views the people he’s trying to relate to with “contempt.”

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   20:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

It's a slap to the gun culture, and given his previous statements on the 2nd, will hurt him. It's already leading the cable news shows.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He's saying that it is not surprising that there is a lot of distrust in a small community that has been through job losses, IMO.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

they cling to guns or religion

I take it as a typical liberal condescending comment, especially given his gun- grabbing proclivities. This will hurt him in PA which is a huge gun state.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:51:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you are offended, then I suppose it was insensitive. But I honestly don't think he meant it that way.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm actually not offended. Nothing a politician says can offend and/or shock me any longer. I've written them out of my life. Believe it or not I'm being objective here and IMO his comment is a mega mistake. His 2nd amendment positions will now be the focus of both Hillary and McCain and when it's examined closely, it's a deal buster for middle America.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   21:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm actually not offended

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Arete  posted on  2008-04-12   9:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Politicians who use Deliverance-like stereotypes to paint white voters with a broad brush will always fail .

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   10:28:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Rendell and Ferraro, both long time democrat operatives and office holders have made it very clear that Obama will never be elected to the presidency because he is black.

The Obama supporters will not even consider this, coming from Obamas own party.

Yet when Paul was running they were in full cry that he could not win. Odd indeed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   10:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As you know the forum has a clique of Ds. All is fine w/the common enemy is Bush, but come election time - some - flash their true colors and muster into line. These same Ds go ape shit here w/an occasional R appears, BTW, which is fine by me. But I must admit I have noooooooooo idea how anyone could hold, at this moment in time, that one branch of the Party is superior than the other.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   10:55:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The real laugh is going to come when they have to support and vote for Clinton/Obummer.

What will they use as justification for doing so???? Well, we have seen the worms squirm here, this way and that, to cover their sheep partisanship for ANYTHING democrat, now will we see them do somersaults slobbering all over Clinton/Obama.

Some here have no self worth at all. Their self esteem will be in the sewer when they have to idolize Hillary. Its coming, these people will don their kneepads and grovel all the way to the election.

They have no shame.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   11:24:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The real laugh is going to come when they have to support and vote for Clinton/Obummer.

Speaking of shame, will you admit you were wrong when Hillary does not get the presidential nomination?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-12   11:45:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of shame, will you admit you were wrong when Hillary does not get the presidential nomination?

ari. Lets not go too deeply into political forecasts. Before you anointed Obama, you were selecting RPs VP, IIRC. Was it Kucinich or Gravel who captivated you most?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   11:54:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The fact Obama has the racial background he does is a welcome change, but not enough to decide to vote for someone.

I support him pure and simple as the best individual in this race where the contestants have to get the nod by the power elite of actually choosing to do a good job as POTUS and has the talents politically to do it well.

You are hug up on this model of claiming supporters are hung up on a model of being weak in the knees in the face of a great black hope and this is actually a paradox where you do much of what you accuse others are doing.

I know you won't agree, but that is the way I see it. Obama is actually lighter then many Caucasians I know. I am a quarter Puerto Rican and when I work in the sun - and I have as a forest worker and a bicyclist - I am darker then he is. Though perhaps he could out tan me, who is to say?

My point is of course that skin coloring, hair type, lip or nose shape, or whatever esthetics people get hung up on, it means nothing about the value of each individual human being when all the bull shit about race is analyzed and but to bed and you look finally solely at a person on the basis of what they are as human beings.

Obama could be plaid for all I care if he is a candidate who could chose to be a good POTUS that restores Constitutional government; I know that merely by blocking two proven to be insane and selfish opponents as the first plus of him winning is a bleak way to look at this, but definitely realistic. The lesser evil argument has a life of it's own because of that, but I don't see this as something that will go away any time soon. The powers that be are not going to give up their hold on making the choices of who are choices will be, not without a fight anyway.

This is just my opinion on the matter, I am not interested in focusing all election cycle on minor details such as what ethnic or racial background any candidate has. There are just too many other things to worry about.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-12   12:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

if he is a candidate who could chose to be a good POTUS that restores Constitutional government;

What indications of this have you seen?

The powers that be are not going to give up their hold on making the choices of who are choices will be, not without a fight anyway.

On what basis do you conclude that Obama is not one of their choices?

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2008-04-12   13:23:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#135. To: DeaconBenjamin (#128) (Edited)

He has the opportunity to show he is not just about rhetoric and a fresh start that will invigorate things undoing the damage Bush and company has done, or he can turn out to be a patsy and all this the most two dimensional of electioneering rhetoric possible to produce. He too can be an 'appointment' that angers his benefators as much as it has people who turned up to support the wrong Associate Justice being appointed to the Supreme Court have.

I vote on my hopes as well as my take on a person, which some won't do anymore which is fine, I understand their rational too.

I am going to vote for Obama based on an intelligent guess and gut feeling as much as for any reason. Just as I will do some of the usual grunt work for his campaign to give me a better feel about him and the body of voters must supporting him as much for any other reason to do that sort of grass roots work.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-12 14:26:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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