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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhi ... -surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
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Views: 6582
Comments: 263

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.

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#2. To: christine, *Obama 2008* (#0)

They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn't seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

I see Clinton and McKooK have picked up on this.

We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth.

"antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"

You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work.

Tell you what slick, up front, hundreds of us changed registration just to vote against you on April 22.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   19:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Up yours Barry Hussain.....sell that crap to the California freaks. I'll be here with my guns.

I just came back from a Ron Paul rally at PSU. I was pleasantly surprised at the number of kids (1500, give or take in the rain) and their desire for freedom from central government.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This from McKooK...

"McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Obama’s statement “remarkable” and “extremely revealing.”

“It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president of the United States who is more out of touch with average Americans.”

Schmidt also said it shows Obama views the people he’s trying to relate to with “contempt.”

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   20:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

It's a slap to the gun culture, and given his previous statements on the 2nd, will hurt him. It's already leading the cable news shows.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He's saying that it is not surprising that there is a lot of distrust in a small community that has been through job losses, IMO.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

they cling to guns or religion

I take it as a typical liberal condescending comment, especially given his gun- grabbing proclivities. This will hurt him in PA which is a huge gun state.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:51:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you are offended, then I suppose it was insensitive. But I honestly don't think he meant it that way.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm actually not offended. Nothing a politician says can offend and/or shock me any longer. I've written them out of my life. Believe it or not I'm being objective here and IMO his comment is a mega mistake. His 2nd amendment positions will now be the focus of both Hillary and McCain and when it's examined closely, it's a deal buster for middle America.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   21:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm actually not offended

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Arete  posted on  2008-04-12   9:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Politicians who use Deliverance-like stereotypes to paint white voters with a broad brush will always fail .

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   10:28:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Rendell and Ferraro, both long time democrat operatives and office holders have made it very clear that Obama will never be elected to the presidency because he is black.

The Obama supporters will not even consider this, coming from Obamas own party.

Yet when Paul was running they were in full cry that he could not win. Odd indeed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   10:46:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

As you know the forum has a clique of Ds. All is fine w/the common enemy is Bush, but come election time - some - flash their true colors and muster into line. These same Ds go ape shit here w/an occasional R appears, BTW, which is fine by me. But I must admit I have noooooooooo idea how anyone could hold, at this moment in time, that one branch of the Party is superior than the other.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   10:55:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The real laugh is going to come when they have to support and vote for Clinton/Obummer.

What will they use as justification for doing so???? Well, we have seen the worms squirm here, this way and that, to cover their sheep partisanship for ANYTHING democrat, now will we see them do somersaults slobbering all over Clinton/Obama.

Some here have no self worth at all. Their self esteem will be in the sewer when they have to idolize Hillary. Its coming, these people will don their kneepads and grovel all the way to the election.

They have no shame.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   11:24:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The real laugh is going to come when they have to support and vote for Clinton/Obummer.

Speaking of shame, will you admit you were wrong when Hillary does not get the presidential nomination?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-12   11:45:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Speaking of shame, will you admit you were wrong when Hillary does not get the presidential nomination?

ari. Lets not go too deeply into political forecasts. Before you anointed Obama, you were selecting RPs VP, IIRC. Was it Kucinich or Gravel who captivated you most?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   11:54:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Amazing, today Obama feels the heat and admits his improper wording. Strange, now Obama sees his insults but his white guilter grovelers here disagree with Obama.

Odd, Obama says I made a mistake but his worshippers deny it. Oh well.

"Barack Obama admitted Saturday that he chose his words poorly when he told a group of California donors that small-town Americans “cling” to guns and religion and xenophobia out of bitterness over lost jobs, but for the second day in a row stood by the comments and weathered pointed criticism from Hillary Clinton."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   12:22:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's true Obama says he could have expressed himself better.

But what in what he said is untrue?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-12   12:26:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But what in what he said is untrue?

First lets see who does NOT agree with you.

Obama himself.

Hillary Clinton, fellow democrat.

McKooK, "adversary" republican.

And last but not least most of the major media outlets.

Therefore you are placing yourself with the elitist views of white rural America. Actually Ari, I am not surprised, as you have always had elitist views here which I and other tolerate.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-12   12:35:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

First lets see who does NOT agree with you.

Obama himself.

It's untrue that Obama himself says that his comments were untrue, he is just saying he could have expressed himself better:

"I didn't say it as well as I could have," Obama (D-Ill.) told a crowd in Muncie. Later, in an interview with a North Carolina newspaper, he said, "Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that."

...

After the remarks were reported by the liberal blog Huffington Post on Friday, Obama initially defended them, and on Saturday he continued to say the tenor of them was correct, even if the phrasing was off. He argued that Clinton and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), whose campaign also criticized the remarks, were turning something "everybody knows is true" into political fodder.

"Lately, there has been a little, typical sort of political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my home town in Illinois who are bitter," Obama said in Muncie. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through."

"So I said, 'Well, you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on,' " he continued. "So people they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are changing. That's a natural response."

'Bitter' Is a Hard Pill For Obama to Swallow: He Stands by Sentiment as Clinton Pounces.

And I notice you didn't answer my question: what, in what Obama said, is untrue?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-13   9:39:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's untrue that Obama himself says that his comments were untrue, he is just saying he could have expressed himself better:

Ari...

If you look here you will find an Obama quote wherein he uses the term..."I regret"...I would hate to think he is now lying, that he does not regret it at all.

You may indicate he is lying, but I doubt it.

I suspect he really regrets that he got caught with hoof in mouth disease which can be fatal.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13   9:51:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect he really regrets that he got caught with hoof in mouth disease which can be fatal.

He regrets his choice of words.

Translation: he mistakenly spoke at 'idiot' level instead of speaking at 'total moron' level.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-13   9:52:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#223. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#220)

Vast you need a bigger shovel.

I want to assure you, you will have the glorious opportunity to vote for Clinton/Obama in November.

Americans will have no choice, only die hard partisan dems and pubs will have a choice and the rest of us will get more war.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13 09:57:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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