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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhi ... -surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 6569
Comments: 263

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.

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#3. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

This is the furore du jour on Lou Dobbs' show and, I suspect on other shows.

Hillary says that it's not true. She only saw pumped up people, full of enthusiasm and ready to roll sleeves. The McCain says that it's unbelievable to say the truth about people being bitter. I mean... don't we all love it?

My view: he proves, again, that he is a thinking man, capable of facing reality. I believe that the essence of what he said is true. What's missing, and maybe this thing is all out of context, is how he things this is going to develop. Is there a happy end? I'm curious of what his views are on where we are going.

On the other hand, I don't know what these bitter people are going to do when they hear Hillary claiming that everyone is cheerful and full of enthusiasms.

Interestingly, on Lou Dobbs' poll...

Do you believe that Senator Barack Obama's comments reveal his elitist attitude toward every hardworking American?
Yes 46% 4158
No 54% 4786
Total Votes: 8944

Dobbsy usually gets 99.5% supporting what he wants to be supported. This time the majority is with the Obamer. Very interesting, while the punditry are screaming political Obamicide.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-11   19:51:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

I believe that the essence of what he said is true.

That they suupport gun rights, don't support illegal immigration or are anti- NAFTA becasue they're bitter they don't have jobs? WTF is wrong with you?

angle  posted on  2008-04-12   12:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: angle (#108)

That they suupport gun rights, don't support illegal immigration or are anti- NAFTA becasue they're bitter they don't have jobs? WTF is wrong with you?

Absolutely.

Most of the opposition to immigration and trade comes from those who are affected by it or whose lifestyles or survival is threatened by them. Did you think it was different.

As for people going to church more often when they are insecure - this is not news to you, or it shouldn't be.

And anyone feeling angry and discouraged and caring more about their little shooters under such circumstances... of course they do and of course they are.

You don't believe that it is so?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-12   15:38:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#145) (Edited)

You don't believe that it is so?

Therefore, those who support the constitution are bitter about the constitution being violated? One does not necessarily follow from the other.

People go to church to worship God.

People who want weapons on hand are realists.

People who want the laws follwed in the country regarding immigration and are alarmed at how illegal immigrants destroy the economies through their stealing of the tax benefits intended for citizens are educated.

The disparaging remarks regarding these folks being motivated by bitterness and fear are part and parcel of the neocon propaganda to paint U.S. Nationals as fringe malcontents.

McWar, Rodham and Obama. Their choice, not ours.

angle  posted on  2008-04-12   17:25:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: angle (#160)

Therefore, those who support the constitution are bitter about the constitution being violated? One does not necessarily follow from the other.

People go to church to worship God.

People who want weapons on hand are realists.

People who want the laws follwed in the country regarding immigration and are alarmed at how illegal immigrants destroy the economies through their stealing of the tax benefits intended for citizens are educated.

These, of course, are your theories.

However, it is known that people are more likely to go to church during hard times. Hard times also makes people more likely to volunteer for a revolution or some armed rebellion. This is also known. If you have a steady, well-paying job and live in a safe neighborhood you may not notice the presence of illegals or, if you do, you might appreciate their willingness to provide you services for less that the natives would charge. You may also support your government 'open trade' initiatives because they bring in cheap goods.

As for the constitution, it's always open for interpretation and the worse off you are the less happy you are likely to be with the current constitutional views.

Think about it. It kind of makes sense.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-12   19:36:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#183)

As for the constitution, it's always open for interpretation and the worse off you are the less happy you are likely to be with the current constitutional views.

You may call them constitutional views, but calling a load of shit a chocolate pie doesn't make it so. Same with trying to whitewash Obama's views.

angle  posted on  2008-04-12   22:13:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: angle (#191)

You may call them constitutional views, but calling a load of shit a chocolate pie doesn't make it so. Same with trying to whitewash Obama's views.

Why would I want to whitewash Obama's views? I am pleased that there is a politician who, sometimes, expresses his thoughts for others to hear.

Compare Obama's relatively unrehearsed words with Clinton's claiming that all those victims of outsourcing, free trade, and competition from legal guest worers and illegal immigrants are all enthusiastic and energized to roll their sleeves and then do... what? Other than voting for Hillary, of course.

It seems to me that the expectation for politicians talking is that it is always done at the 'total moron' level and, every time someone dares elevate the discussion to, let's say, 'idiot' level, the total morons feel it's their duty to scream 'APOLOLGIZE!!!'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-13   8:45:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Peppa, Jethro Tull, robin (#194)

Why would I want to whitewash Obama's views? I am pleased that there is a politician who, sometimes, expresses his thoughts for others to hear.

I happen to be one of the "small town" people that Obama was referring to.

I and all my friends took offense to his words, now mind you we are the subject of his remarks.

Does that mean that you not being one of us are telling thousands of us "small towners" that we do not understand?

Does that not make you a tad "elitist", a tad "condescending"? Granted we may not be as educated and intelligent as you, but we do seem to be of one mind on this.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13   9:05:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Cynicom (#196)

happen to be one of the "small town" people that Obama was referring to.

I and all my friends took offense to his words, now mind you we are the subject of his remarks.

Does that mean that you not being one of us are telling thousands of us "small towners" that we do not understand?

Does that not make you a tad "elitist", a tad "condescending"? Granted we may not be as educated and intelligent as you, but we do seem to be of one mind on this.

Funny thing. Obama won't renounce his racist church, and he calls them clingy? We know how he feels about guns... and we know what 'else' was going on when he made that speech.

Yes, don't cling to those things that make you INdependent and straight with the Lord. Why that's old-time foolery and see where it's got you.. You need BIG GOVERNMENT to help you shed that bitterness. Now we aren't going to make things better, but we are going to help you think things are better. You can perceive food in your bowl, and a penny in your hand and feel rich! Yessah!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-13   9:14:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Peppa (#197)

but we are going to help you think things are better.

I have to keep saying this....It is odd that there is NO ONE here supporting McKooK or any other BS artist on the republican side. Is there a reason?? Yes there is, namely, we are Americans, not camp following partisan whores that have been in hiding here on the 4um.

"These same people are going to be orgasmic when Obama decides to ride in the back of the bus as VP and Queen Hillary is the driver." It will be a two for one deal that will send them into ecstasy.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13   9:23:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: Cynicom (#202)

I have to keep saying this....It is odd that there is NO ONE here supporting McKooK or any other BS artist on the republican side. Is there a reason?? Yes there is, namely, we are Americans, not camp following partisan whores that have been in hiding here on the 4um.

"These same people are going to be orgasmic when Obama decides to ride in the back of the bus as VP and Queen Hillary is the driver." It will be a two for one deal that will send them into ecstasy.

The oddest syndrome by far is the emergence of the BushBot gene. You either vote Obama or you are a zionazi, torture loving warmongerer. All of a sudden the incremental steps taken by previous administrations that brought us to this point are erased from memory. There are two ways of looking at things, and it's either their way or you will be attacked and called a McCain Supporter. There is no argument brought forward to vote FOR Obama. Their whole argument is to vote against McCain.

You are absolutely correct that what has been unmasked, are partisan whores. And yes they will vote Clinton to get Obama. And when the hammer falls on them all, they will blame the Bush regime for all of it...rather than admit, both 'parties' have orchestrated this takedown of America.

Now, they can let that sit on their heart as they lie to their kids and grandkids about how we got here, and pretend they weren't the cowards that helped.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-13   9:38:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Peppa (#210)

And when the hammer falls on them all, they will blame the Bush regime for all of it...rather than admit, both 'parties' have orchestrated this takedown of America.

There are even more on the other side who are still blaming the Clinton regime for everything bad that has happened under Bush.

ClintonBush should always be written as one word. The two families are joined at the hip. To think there is any distance between them is akin to believing professional wrestling is legit.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-13   9:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#224. To: Sam Houston (#221)

There are even more on the other side who are still blaming the Clinton regime for everything bad that has happened under Bush.

ClintonBush should always be written as one word. The two families are joined at the hip. To think there is any distance between them is akin to believing professional wrestling is legit.

I disagree with your math there. If that were true, dems would not have taken congress to end the war. The donations to the RNC are far behind the D's. There was hope that the d's were better and were given a chance to lead, but joined with their other half to do us all in.

That you can not see there is one party, disguised as two, is more than too bad, it's a deadly delusion.

That you want to play the pub v dem game and think the people will win, then offer up something, ANYTHING that would show it.

The argument for dems is that they hate pubs, and it goes no deeper. Obama is as bought and paid for as the others. He is the status quo and worse, he ushers in a new extreme door for more like him. If you happen to be a commie, than perhaps he's your guy.

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