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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhi ... -surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 6121
Comments: 263

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.

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#2. To: christine, *Obama 2008* (#0)

They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn't seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin, christine, Jethro tull (#2)

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

I see Clinton and McKooK have picked up on this.

We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth.

"antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"

You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work.

Tell you what slick, up front, hundreds of us changed registration just to vote against you on April 22.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   19:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

I think Philly has had Blacks for many years.

At the end of the 18th century, Philadelphia was a city of hope for African Americans. Pennsylvania had passed the first gradual abolition act, and Philadelphia was home by 1790 to some 2,000 free blacks. Some had bought their freedom after working during the Revolutionary War, some had been freed because by slaveholders moved by revolutionary ideals. All had hopes for the future in the new country built on the ideals of independence, but doubts as to whether the declarations of liberty and equality would apply to them.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3narr1.html

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:00:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#5)

Don't confuse me with the facts like that.

I WANT to believe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton loaded up the buses with them and shipped them up there to torment Cyni just recently.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-11   20:04:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sam Houston (#7)

My small town has never, ever had blacks. Now we do. They did have enough smarts to get out of Philly and its crime. We do not even have a cop, not a one, closest one is 15 miles away. They do sponge off our social services but just perhaps their children will learn something from the local white trash that go to church and love their guns.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   20:15:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8)

I was raised by a black woman. Was a pallbearer at her funeral a couple of years ago. She was 93. I loved that woman as much as I do my own mother.

I went to school with blacks, played football and other sports with them, etc.

East Texas is heavily "white trash" also, as you would put it. There are sorry white people and good black people as well as the reverse of that.

This small town is somewhat similar to what Obama was describing, but not entirely. I think where he got it wrong was saying that a fascination with guns and religion comes from economic distress. No, it predated it. It's in people's blood in the Bible/Ammo Belt.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-11   20:23:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Sam Houston (#10)

I went to school with blacks, played football and other sports with them, etc.

Same here Sam.

I have a dear friend whom I met in a golf league and who later became my partner in that league.

He was to become the attorney I leaned on later to support my precious youngest daughter in court after she became crack addicted.

I am convinced that many here have an acquaintance with blacks formed only via the eleven o'clock news.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-12   9:21:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: iconoclast (#46)

I am convinced that many here have an acquaintance with blacks formed only via the eleven o'clock news.

What an amazing ignorant statement. I grew up in Brooklyn and spent nearly 15 years in the NYPD so I have friend and foes who are black. It's the sheltered closet liberals who fawn over the Big O simply b/c he's black.

The man is a gun grabbing leftist, with close ties to other leftists. Your cheer leading for him is borderline cultist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   9:37:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#57. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

I grew up in Brooklyn and spent nearly 15 years in the NYPD so I have friend and foes who are black.

I know that full well, Jethro.

The comment was directed to those for whom the shoe fits.

Their name is legion.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-12 10:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

I grew up in Brooklyn and spent nearly 15 years in the NYPD so I have friend and foes who are black. It's the sheltered closet liberals who fawn over the Big O simply b/c he's black.

You're overgeneralizing. I grew up in the Bronx (and was beaten by a black gang with baseball bats in Landover MD 12 years ago).

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