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Title: Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhi ... -surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Published: Apr 11, 2008
Author: Ben Smith
Post Date: 2008-04-11 19:39:50 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 7026
Comments: 263

Obama on small-town PA: Clinging to religion, guns, xenophobia

Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.

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#2. To: christine, *Obama 2008* (#0)

They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn't seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin, christine, Jethro tull (#2)

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

I see Clinton and McKooK have picked up on this.

We hill billy white trash of small town Pa. do own guns, always have, do go to Church always have, and we do dislike slicks from Chicago or any other large city that pass by with their arrogant mouth.

"antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment"

You bet, we now have blacks, all from the eastern cities, and every one of them are on welfare, living in taxpayer subsidized housing, not a one of them work.

Tell you what slick, up front, hundreds of us changed registration just to vote against you on April 22.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   19:56:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#4)

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Up yours Barry Hussain.....sell that crap to the California freaks. I'll be here with my guns.

I just came back from a Ron Paul rally at PSU. I was pleasantly surprised at the number of kids (1500, give or take in the rain) and their desire for freedom from central government.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine (#6)

This from McKooK...

"McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Obama’s statement “remarkable” and “extremely revealing.”

It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president of the United States who is more out of touch with average Americans.”

Schmidt also said it shows Obama views the people he’s trying to relate to with “contempt.”

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-11   20:18:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#9)

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#11)

Is he talking about this statement? I see nothing in this to get upset about.

It's a slap to the gun culture, and given his previous statements on the 2nd, will hurt him. It's already leading the cable news shows.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

He's saying that it is not surprising that there is a lot of distrust in a small community that has been through job losses, IMO.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: robin (#16)

they cling to guns or religion

I take it as a typical liberal condescending comment, especially given his gun- grabbing proclivities. This will hurt him in PA which is a huge gun state.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   20:51:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

If you are offended, then I suppose it was insensitive. But I honestly don't think he meant it that way.

robin  posted on  2008-04-11   20:54:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robin (#24)

I'm actually not offended. Nothing a politician says can offend and/or shock me any longer. I've written them out of my life. Believe it or not I'm being objective here and IMO his comment is a mega mistake. His 2nd amendment positions will now be the focus of both Hillary and McCain and when it's examined closely, it's a deal buster for middle America.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-11   21:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

I'm actually not offended

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Arete  posted on  2008-04-12   9:53:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Arete (#55)

I'm not offended either. Every word of what Obama said was true.

Politicians who use Deliverance-like stereotypes to paint white voters with a broad brush will always fail .

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-12   10:28:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

Stereotypes are usually true, though. Obama never had a chance anyhow, but it IS refreshing to hear politicians at that level speak honestly and truthfully.

In fairness, McPain does the same sort of thing when he bluntly tells the hapless former auto workers of Michigan, "Your jobs are never coming back."

The truth of the matter is, and I can bluntly and honestly say this because I have NO political aspirations WHATSOEVER, that "Who's Sane?" Obummer and "Insane" McPain are both right.

They are both saying, in their own way, that the country is screwed, blued and tattooed and NEVER coming back.

It is both of their desires, as far as I can tell, to figure out how to subsume the decaying carcass of the U.S. system into the larger overall "Western" remnants of civilization, while still feeding off the carcass to provide the storm troopers for the Zionist oil wars in the Middle East.

Maybe I'm misreading Barack somewhat. He MAY genuinely wish to rebuilt this country in some way, but when you have Zbig Brzezinski as your principal foreign policy adviser, I somehow doubt it. Zbig is all about "The Great Game" and "The Grand Chessboard."

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-12   10:46:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Sam Houston (#67)

They are both saying, in their own way, that the country is screwed, blued and tattooed and NEVER coming back.

Odd reaction, Sam, to the one candidate who continues to beat the drum for change and hope while the other pumps for nuclear invasions and a hundred years of Iraq occupation.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-12   10:54:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: iconoclast (#70)

I said I might be misreading him.

I don't see how you can "hope" to "change" a system as close to collapse as this one is, financially speaking.

Maybe he is trying to make us feel better about ourselves as we edge ever closer to oblivion. It's not working on me. I do prefer him to McHundred. I am still surprised Clinton's Dixie Mafia hasn't taken a shot, literally, at him yet.

But a real "change" would be what Ron Paul was talking about — abolition of the Federal Reserve, for starters. No one proposing REAL "change" is allowed to get any traction. We just witnessed that with Paul's candidacy.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-12   11:11:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Sam Houston (#74)

I said I might be misreading him.

Try thinking of him as the "Happy Warrior" (Al Smith) reincarnated. ;-)

No, scratch that.

Because if he fails it will be for the same reason as Al did, rural and southern prejudice.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-12   11:34:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#81. To: iconoclast (#77)

Al Smith's glorious defeat in 1928 laid the groundwork for the Democratic victories in 1930 and 1932.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-12 11:46:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: iconoclast (#77)

Because if he fails it will be for the same reason as Al did, rural and southern prejudice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElectoralCollege1928-Large.png

It looks to me like the Deep South preferred Smith to Hoover. Their anti-GOP prejudice overcame their anti-Catholic prejudice at that point in our history.

It is hard to explain to today's youth that Southerners were once as virulently opposed to the Republican Party as most of them today are to the Democratic Party.

In 1928, people were still alive who remembered Lincoln ordering Sherman's March to the Sea.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-12 12:08:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: iconoclast (#77)

Because if he fails it will be for the same reason as Al did, rural and southern prejudice.

[Smith] did carry the Deep South, thanks in part to his running mate, Senator Joseph Robinson from Arkansas....

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2008-04-12 13:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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