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Title: "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93"
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Published: Apr 11, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-12 08:44:44 by honway
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Friday, April 11, 2008 "The US Air Force Shot Down Flight 93" The following comment was posted to my blog today (I do not know who the author is -- he posted semi-anonymously; so decide for yourself whether or not you believe him): "I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true. The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."
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"Hello Rothschild's cattle!" ~ Deek Jackson
The guy is a crackpot making things up. For one thing, he cannot spell, including capitalizing words that aren't capitalized. It's what losers do to make themselves feel important.
"The evil man is the child grown strong" - Thomas Hobbes
Whenever you have an eight mile debris field, it's a shoot-down, not a crash.
that only proves he's from Missouri.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
I believe the guy.
The U.S. Air Force, presumably on Cheney's orders, shot down the one one of the four planes that the hijackers had lost control of. Hmmmm.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
You must be new to the intarwebs. Anyone who graduated after 1990 can't spell or punctuate, it seems.
lol, who you gonna believe, us, or some stinking facts.
Exactly. Just like the 'official' story about the Pentagon, or any of the rest of 9/11.
From YertleTurtle
http://www.governor.state.nd.us/...2-911/911-transcript.html Commemorating September 11 [Printer friendly version] Transcript September 11, 2002 Governor’s Band, Dickinson High School “This is My Country” (Arranged by Larry Norred) “Salute to Freedom” (Arranged by Andy Clark) “God Bless America” (Arranged by John Higgins) Governor Hoeven: God Bless America and God Bless North Dakota. (Applause). Thank you to all of you for being here today for this commemoration service. I’d like to thank right at the outset, Adjutant General Mike Haugen and also Homeland Security Director Doug Friez for joining us today for this first commemoration of September 11. Their leadership has been truly outstanding in our Homeland Security effort and I’d like to recognize them for that. Gentleman, please step forward so you can be recognized. (Applause). I’d also like to thank the Governor’s Band, Dickinson High School, which played our opening songs. (Applause). September 11 changed our nation forever. One year ago today we came together with compassion, concern and a renewed sense of national pride. This year, we gather across North Dakota, to commemorate in music, in words and in images, those who were lost those who grieve and all those affected by the tragic events of September 11. Century High School Spirit of ’76 and Patriot Color Guard, please present the colors. (Century High School Spirit of ’76 and Patriot Color Guard presentation of colors) Mandan Mayor Ken Lamont will now lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Mayor Lamont. Mayor Lamont: Thank you Governor for inviting me to be a part of this. I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all. Governor Hoeven: Thank you Mayor Lamont. Century High School Color Guard please post the colors. (Posting of colors.) Thank you to the Century High School Spirit of ’76 and Patriot Color Guard for again, for joining us on America’s first Patriot Day. For more than 200 years, the American flag has been the tangible symbol of our nation and its history. It represents our people, it represents our pride, and most of all it represents our freedom. The flag we fly at half-staff today also flew over the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld presented this flag to the people of North Dakota in appreciation for their duty, and in honor of those who died on September 11, 2001. Within minutes of the attacks on September 11, the 119th Fighter Wing, North Dakota Air National Guard, was flying security over our nation’s capital. In North Dakota, and worldwide, they’re known as the “Happy Hooligans.” Earlier this morning, we presented the U.S. Air Force Airman’s Medal to four of our Happy Hooligans in recognition of their distinctive service on September 11. Three of them flew surveillance over our nation’s capital and one flew a special mission to New York on that tragic day. They join us here today and I would like to take just a minute to introduce each one of them to you. First, Major Ricky Gibney, Major Gibney (applause). Major Bradley Derrig, Major Derrig (applause). Major Dean Eckmann, (applause) and Capt. Craig Borgstrom (applause). We honor these men with the Airman’s Medal on our nation’s first Patriot Day. Patriot Day is inspired by the heroic sacrifices of our firefighters, rescue workers, law enforcement personnel, military, and other citizens who rose to the challenge of September 11. Because of their heroism, our nation found unity, focus and strength in one of our nation’s darkest hours. On September 11, the Happy Hooligans inspired us and gave us a sense of hope. Their courage and skill helped give us the strength to emerge from September 11 as a nation tested and strong. As they honor us today over the skies of North Dakota - as they honored us in the skies over our nation’s capital - we should all reflect on the meaning of Patriotism, a love of country. It is at this time in our program, that we are scheduled to have a flyover of our F-16, the 119th Fighter Squadron, North Dakota Air National Guard, the Happy Hooligans and then we will have our National Anthem. They should be approaching from the South momentarily. I ask that we would have a moment of silence as they approach then we’ll have the flyover and our National Anthem. Our next guest is one of the three pilots from the North Dakota Air National Guard who flew surveillance over our nation’s capital within minutes of the attacks. Maj. Brad Derrig. Major Brad Derrig: Thank you Governor Hoeven. We’re a year ago today, approximately three hours into the air, into probably one of the longest days of; I know the three of ours lives. It started out as a normal day, we were going to do a local training sortie, and then before we could actually start briefing the mission, one of the crew chiefs came up and said you guys better turn the TV on. Turn the TV on and at that time, they were, CNN had just broken in and shown one of the towers had gotten hit. Shortly after that we were putting on battle stations, which essentially is, for us, getting ready to go and we sat there for approximately about 15 minutes. Shortly after that we got scrambled, actually up to New York City to help the Massachusetts guard with the response to the attacks. Shortly after we got air born is when Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, at that time we were vectored, turned basically to Washington and set up a combat air patrol, none of which, or none at that time, none of us would ever have thought or imagined that we’d be setting up a combat air patrol over the nation’s capitol. That day, we sat, or flew various missions, protecting the capitol, protecting the citizens, protecting the citizens of the United States. And what I’d like to do is thank you, the public, for the support in the past year. It’s been a very trying year for the members of the North Dakota Air National Guard, the United States military, as well as firefighters, policemen in response to the attacks. The war on terrorism, although a year old, I think has many years to go and what I want to make sure of is that we take out terrorism so that my children and your children will never have to suffer through another September 11, like we did one year ago. Thank you.
It would be a very unusual event for a pilot to receive a USAF Airman's Medal for launching, flying an air patrol, and not engaging any threats. "The Airman’s Medal is a military decoration of the United States Air Force and is awarded to those service members who distinguish themselves by heroic actions, usually at the voluntary risk of life, but not involving actual combat."
www.cooperativeresearch.o...eline/2002/ap081902c.html Fargo Pilots Remember Sept. 11 Duty by Jack Sullivan The Associated Press August 19, 2002 Maj. Brad Derrig flew his F-16 over the burning Pentagon on Sept. 11. As weeks passed, he watched from the cockpit of his fighter jet as charred rubble was cleared away and new walls were built. His emotions were different on almost every patrol flight. "You can run the whole gamut of feelings - from sadness to anger to pride," he said. Derrig, Maj. Dean Eckmann and Capt. Craig Borgstrom were the first military pilots scrambled over Washington as the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks unfolded. All fly for the North Dakota Air National Guard's 119th Fighter Wing, which stations pilots at an alert post at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. They and other pilots from the Fargo-based unit patrolled above Washington and New York after Sept. 11. While boring at times, the flights drove home the magnitude of the attacks, Derrig and Eckmann said. "I don't think any fighter pilot in the United States would have ever thought they would be flying combat air patrols over American cities," Eckmann said. "That was huge, huge culture shock." The Sept. 11 flights were the most dramatic duty pulled in the last year by North Dakota National Guard personnel, who since the attacks have guarded airports, bolstered Customs Service posts along the Canadian border and served in Afghanistan and near the Persian Gulf. They are among the North Dakotans whose lives were changed the most after Sept. 11. Some find their civilian lives paused indefinitely. Air National Guard Staff Sgt. Erica Rohrich, 23, put the start of her career on hold when she was forced to turn down her first job as a social worker, a job she was offered on Sept. 12. "That was probably the most heartbreaking thing for me," she said. Rohrich joined the National Guard at age 18 to earn tuition for the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks. She moved to Fargo from Minneapolis after she was activated last fall. She never expected a major activation and "never in a million years thought I would be going to the desert," where her security squadron spent 90 days at a Persian Gulf base for Air Force refuelers. She now works 12-hour night shifts guarding the 119th Fighter Wing's Fargo headquarters, not knowing when she will return to civilian life. It is frustrating at times, but necessary, she said. "The Guard gave me college, and now I'm giving them something back," Rohrich said. "I just have to remind myself of that sometimes." At its peak, the Air National Guard unit, nicknamed the "Happy Hooligans," had activated about 700 of its 1,100 personnel, Wing Commander Col. Richard Utecht said. It now has about 550 people on duty, including about 400 who work for the National Guard year-round. Derrig works full-time as the unit's safety chief. Eckmann, a Northwest Airlines pilot, was called to active military duty after Sept. 11. Eckmann was on a regular National Guard rotation that day, which was routine until a crew chief told him the World Trade Center had been hit by a plane. He assumed it was accident, maybe a suicide. "I fly for the airlines. I know airliners don't fly into skyscrapers," he said. But a scramble horn minutes later called him and Derrig to battle stations. They climbed into their F-16s and waited for orders. Borgstrom ran out and said they had been ordered to get as many fighters in the air as possible. All three were sent toward Washington. Eckmann said he saw black smoke rising as they raced toward the city. He first thought it could be a crashed plane near Reagan National Airport, but then pinpointed the smoke closer to the Pentagon, and then, at about 20 miles out, saw it was the building itself. "My initial thought was that it was a truck bomb ... we didn't actually find out it was an airliner until the next day," Eckmann said. The pilots patrolled over the city and intercepted, identified and escorted aircraft ordered to the ground. At one point, Eckmann said, he heard an air traffic controller say "the Secret Service is now in the building." Then, in the jumble of civilian and military radio traffic, a message: "We need to protect the House." "And you understand," he said. "What I drew from that is, we need to protect the White House." United Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania, about a half-hour after the pilots took to the air. If the airliner had flown toward Washington, the fighter pilots say they likely would have intercepted it and waited for orders if it did not land as directed. President Bush by then had authorized the military to shoot down aircraft threatening the capital. Derrig said the pilots don't often think about the "hypothetical 'what-ifs"' of Sept. 11. "If something like that would ever happen again, you are probably the last link in the chain. Everything that could be done probably has been done," he said. "We just did our job that day," Eckmann said. "Nothing more, nothing less. And again, had we been called on to do it, I know we would have done our jobs because we're trained professionals. What happened with (United Flight) 93, again, they're the real heroes of this thing. ... They sacrificed their lives so others wouldn't die." Copyright 2002 The Associated Press
Flight 93 Ordered Shot Down http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=49855&Disp=1#C1 "I was given direct orders to shoot down an airliner", said Kuczynski, a first lieutenant in the Air Force and an E-3 Sentry pilot.
If Flight 93 had been shot down, the pieces (including BIG pieces) would have been scattered all over the countryside, with associated reports - add that there would have been a fireball and it's smoke, with glaringly obvious flaming pieces adding to the scattered evidence. The 'shoot-down' angle is so much disinformation.
hey, stranger! how've you been? great to see you again!
Yeah, I've been putting in long hours trying to make a living in the Seattle real estate regime - tough going. The demand and supply are there, but they've tightened up on the money; really bad. You can't sell what you can't get financed.
i know...lots of people have a tough going right now. so, war with Iran soon you think?
Always appreciate your insight. It's good to see your comments.
I have called it pure BS from day one. It would have required too many people remaining silent for too long. People need to be practical about it.
Astute observation my good Watson.
Anyone that promotes the current State of Israel is either a fascist zionazi, a rapture nutter or simply too stupid to be considered.
I have a hard time understanding the restricted lending practices since there isn't a paper shortage. It's contrived, just like the depression.
Anyone that promotes the current State of Israel is either a fascist zionazi, a rapture nutter or simply too stupid to be considered.
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I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either.
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Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders,
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The guy is a crackpot making things up. For one thing, he cannot spell
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For one thing, he cannot spell, including capitalizing words that aren't capitalized. It's what losers do to make themselves feel important.
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lol, who you gonna believe, us, or some stinking facts.
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The guy is a crackpot making things up. For one thing, he cannot spell, including capitalizing words that aren't capitalized
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Earlier this morning, we presented the U.S. Air Force Airman’s Medal to four of our Happy Hooligans in recognition of their distinctive service on September 11.
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....great to see you again!
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The 'shoot-down' angle is so much disinformation.
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Whenever you have an eight mile debris field, it's a shoot-down, not a crash.
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