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Title: Oprah Denies Christ
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwGLNbiw1gk&feature=related
Published: Apr 13, 2008
Author: Oprah the unbeliever
Post Date: 2008-04-13 12:41:39 by Old Friend
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#2. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
You are correct. There is a verse somewhere that says something to the effect. That if you don't hear the word but you do the things in the law naturally it will be accounted for you as righteousness. I know I didn't get that exactly right but it is the best I can word it right now.
I agree with Oprah. Good clip, she makes alot of sense here.
I wouldn't under estimate God's ability to determine what He should do with His Universe.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Excellent explanation of what I believe that the Scriptures tell us. Thank you.
I've read, though, that a lot of those people in India still continue to worship their other household gods. They literally put a statue of Jesus Christ on the shelf in their house with all the other gods they've traditionally worshipped. I saw this Oprah vid a few weeks ago and I largely agreed with her also. I am a born-again Christian, but I don't presume to try to put God in a box. Trying to anthropomorphize God is insulting to the Deity.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Great post.
I got the bite put on me by higher ranking NCOs when I was in the 82nd all the way back in the late seventies to get rid of Wicca on my dog tags, find Christ and shut up about anything else, or else. I called their bluff, and when the retaliatory article 15 came, I hired a good lawyer and took it past summary court martial to a special and had the thing thrown out. I went to a new Battalion and became a crew chief rather then just a hanger rat and made E-5 2 years and 3 months after I had enlisted as an E-1. Surely there is a Goddess; she took care of me when I kept the faith and stayed true to my beliefs. ;-) Seriously though, in retrospect I should of been more polite and vague in my send off of their attempts to religiously assimilate me. As though the way I triumphed had it's pluses, not going through all that would of been preferable. I don't underestimate how dangerous Christian fundies can be. When I dealt with them when I went back in I was allot more circumspect and careful about dealing with this particular brand of folks who in some ways are our brand of American Taliban.
Neither would I. But if you are a believer in the Bible which claims to be Gods word. It clearly says that Jesus is the ONLY way. Everyone is and should be free to make their own decisions of whether to believe or not. But there will be consequences for us all for our decision.
Jesus Christ, fundies in the military with access to nuclear weapons!
You can spot the moralist by his exaggerations - Unknown
That whole love your enemy. Bless them that curse you thing. That is a bad thing?
Fundies do that. CONSTANTLY. Just try and point out the fraud of 'eternal hell' to these fundies, and they go nuts. They do love their 'hell'. Then there is the issue of 'free will' and praying some scripted 'sinners prayer' and voila, they are 'saved'. Never mind what scripture says about it. It's silly. Almost funny too...
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
I love the scriptures and studying them. However, I find the Bible requires a lot of patience and study, less conversation especially arguments, and generally the Bible is more serious than its students. Bible arguments are toxic wastes of time. Serious Bible study is a worthy pursuit, and scripture even says "STUDY" to show thyself approved.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
They can only be responsible for the amount of light that has been revealed to them. Where Oprah missed the ball here (so to speak) is to deny the light she has received: But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12:48 Could Oprah honestly claim, having been in church throughout her childhood and most of her adult life--assuming you can believe what she says--that she has never heard that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Thank you. You're welcome and thank you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. There's another scripture that more Christians should pay attention to. It goes something like this. On judgment day many will claim to have healed the sick and cast out demons in Christ's name ... to which he will reply "depart from me, I have never known YOU" ... I'll bet there will be wailing an gnashing of teeth at that moment.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Those are the ones that that people without faith like to point out. They are right to point out the frauds. But wrong to lump them together with those who truly follow Gods word which is found it the Bible.
Could not agree more.
My point was that there are many that think they know "Jesus" but don't. There are millions of Christians that are masons ... hahahaha ... and the masonic creed is satanic. Most Christians think the fake Jews are "chosen" ... celebrate the sabbath on SUN(worship)Day ... and mostly do the feel good stuff that their preacher tells em to do. Bible students and BELIEVERS read all of the scriptures and try to their utmost to ascertain the TRUTH.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
I'm not sure but there is something about "no condemnation concerning the sabbath" Something like that. I'm not sure what it means but some people think it means that we wont be condemned for not keeping the sabbath. But I am mostly with you. The Sabbath is Saturday. We should go on Saturday. I went to church today for the first time in a while. I don't know of many churches that worship on Saturday. Does that mean if a church has a sunday service they are automatically not a real church? I am honestly not sure. But I would honestly prefer that churches held their services on Saturday. A church I used to attend. The pastor said that what was important was a seven day cycle. That it mattered not. I don't think I agree with that. But maybe I am a bit of a hypocrit for attending on Sunday.
You're right. You could write volumes on scriptures fundies ignore or explain away into total meaninglessness. But I am not aware of any churches that teach scripture, I mean really teach it from that stage prop they call a 'bible', much less find one that opens on a saturday. I left babylon years ago, and havent looked back. I do better on my own.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: This the one you mean?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You think Jesus would have okayed the use of nukes? By the way, you're quoting the obsolete Old Testament, not the New.
You can spot the moralist by his exaggerations - Unknown
This the one you mean? Yes that is the verse I am thinking of. So Oprah is off base. I wonder if she knows about this verse.
Good question, YT. The way that He found a whip and drove the Zionist money-changers from the temple, he may be good for some truly 'surgical' strikes. But, who knows?
So Oprah is off base. I wonder if she knows about this verse. I think Oprah avoids the truth like vampires avoid sunlight, crosses and garlic.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. At this stage of her game, I believe that Oprah is trying to find the truth in many avenues of her life; and is raising questions that many of us may have asked in our past. We were told to study the Word ourselves and allow the Spirit to help us know what is there for us to learn. imo
I think it would be great if she had Brother Wright on her show.
You think Jesus would have okayed the use of nukes? By the way, you're quoting the obsolete Old Testament, not the New That whole love your enemy. Bless them that curse you thing. That is a bad thing? You think Jesus would have okayed the use of nukes? By the way, you're quoting the obsolete Old Testament, not the New.
Hopefully you are correct.
I couldn't see her doing that until after the election.
It's just my observation, and thought, after walking through the family room and seeing the type program that she is now producing: the anti-Jerry Springer madness stuff, that is trying to help people better themselves in all facets of their lives. I cannot judge, or even comment, on anyone else's relationship with God: all I can do is sometimes comment on their actions and deeds. Whenever we stand before the Throne, we will be answering for only ourselves.
The video is a recording of this webpage www.watchman.org/oprah.htm
MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." It's true, I do worry about the adult supervison thingie in regards to nuclear arsonals. ;-)
When practices, it's great; when it isn't, Christians coming from a selfish or the angle of a preditor seeking converts or elimination of convert refusals are not much different then fundie Muslims.
you're right Ferrett that christians don't even practice their own faith. pretty sad. but some of them can sure boast about it. bible warns against boasting, but they love to do it anyway. one of the big lessons in the bible is that people are flawed - VERY FLAWED - that we never accomplish anything of significance unless god leads us to it. Regarding the theological controversy of the Oprah video above - the bible does say clearly that you must go through jesus to get into kingdom of heaven, but it also says that a person not indoctrinated in the faith can be accepted into the kingdom of heaven if they follow the faith they're indoctrinated to and if they are pious. It says we have consciences given to us by god and that if we are loyal to that conscience, then we can be admitted into kingdom of heaven even if not in the faith. and it also says many people in the faith will be shocked when they are rejected. it's all in interpretation. but I do not advocate denying that jesus is god in any way.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. The important thing (imo) is not which day anyone observes as the Sabbath but that God should be honored and worshipped every day. All the time and everything that exists is his anyway.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I imagine she will probably have him on sooner or later.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The important thing (imo) is not which day anyone observes as the Sabbath but that God should be honored and worshipped every day. All the time and everything that exists is his anyway. My position is the 'judge not, lest ye be not judged' admonition. It keeps everything lots simpler for me in my humble endeavors. And Lord knows, I need to KISS.
You're not a hypocrite, but you're surely foolish for troubling yourself over such silliness ... the kind of tedious legalism that our Lord condemned. Perhaps you ought to convert to RC, most every church I know of conducts at least one mass on Saturday. ;-)
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Looks to me like you've got a firm grip on reality.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
#3. To: Old Friend (#0)
Obama for president 2008
#4. To: Old Friend (#0)
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
#8. To: Sam Houston (#6)
Obama for president 2008
#9. To: noone222 (#4)
I wouldn't under estimate God's ability to determine what He should do with His Universe.
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
#11. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
#12. To: noone222, all (#4)
I wouldn't under estimate God's ability to determine what He should do with His Universe.
#13. To: PSUSA (#12)
#14. To: Sam Houston (#6)
They literally put a statue of Jesus Christ on the shelf in their house with all the other gods they've traditionally worshipped.
Lord Acton
#15. To: Peppa (#7)
Great post.
Lord Acton
#16. To: lodwick (#5)
Excellent explanation of what I believe that the Scriptures tell us.
Lord Acton
#17. To: PSUSA (#12)
#18. To: noone222 (#17)
There's another scripture that more Christians should pay attention to. It goes something like this. On judgment day many will claim to have healed the sick and cast out demons in Christ's name ... to which he will reply "depart from me, I have never known YOU" ...
#19. To: noone222 (#17)
There's another scripture that more Christians should pay attention to. It goes something like this. On judgment day many will claim to have healed the sick and cast out demons in Christ's name ... to which he will reply "depart from me, I have never known YOU" ...
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#20. To: Old Friend (#18)
#21. To: noone222 (#20)
#22. To: noone222 (#17)
There's another scripture that more Christians should pay attention to. It goes something like this. On judgment day many will claim to have healed the sick and cast out demons in Christ's name ... to which he will reply "depart from me, I have never known YOU" ...
#23. To: Old Friend (#2)
You are correct. There is a verse somewhere that says something to the effect. That if you don't hear the word but you do the things in the law naturally it will be accounted for you as righteousness. I know I didn't get that exactly right but it is the best I can word it right now.
Lord Acton
#24. To: Old Friend (#11)
That whole love your enemy. Bless them that curse you thing. That is a bad thing?
#25. To: James Deffenbach, Ferret Mike (#23)
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
#26. To: YertleTurtle (#24)
You think Jesus would have okayed the use of nukes?
#27. To: Old Friend (#25)
Yes that is the verse I am thinking of.
Lord Acton
#28. To: Old Friend. the thread (#25)
So Oprah is off base. I wonder if she knows about this verse.
#29. To: James Deffenbach, Old Friend, YT, the thread (#27)
#30. To: YertleTurtle (#24)
That whole love your enemy. Bless them that curse you thing. That is a bad thing?
#31. To: lodwick (#28)
At this stage of her game, I believe that Oprah is trying to find the truth in many avenues of her life; and is raising questions that many of us may have asked in our past.
#32. To: lodwick (#29)
I think it would be great if she had Brother Wright on her show.
#33. To: Old Friend (#31)
Hopefully you are correct.
#34. To: Old Friend (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#35. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
"Jesus Christ, fundies in the military with access to nuclear weapons!"
Obama for president 2008
#36. To: Old Friend (#11)
"That whole love your enemy. Bless them that curse you thing. That is a bad thing?"
Obama for president 2008
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
#38. To: Old Friend (#21)
Does that mean if a church has a sunday service they are automatically not a real church? I am honestly not sure. But I would honestly prefer that churches held their services on Saturday.
Lord Acton
#39. To: lodwick (#29)
I think it would be great if she had Brother Wright on her show.
Lord Acton
#40. To: James Deffenbach, Old Friend, YT, the thread (#38)
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
#41. To: Old Friend (#21)
A church I used to attend. The pastor said that what was important was a seven day cycle. That it mattered not. I don't think I agree with that. But maybe I am a bit of a hypocrit for attending on Sunday.
#42. To: PSUSA (#22)
But I am not aware of any churches that teach scripture, I mean really teach it from that stage prop they call a 'bible', much less find one that opens on a saturday. I left babylon years ago, and havent looked back. I do better on my own.
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