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Title: Red State Update: Obama Bashes Small Town America
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/johndenugent
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVC4JUg9A9A
Published: Apr 13, 2008
Author: Jackie and Dunlap
Post Date: 2008-04-13 20:12:53 by robin
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Views: 410
Comments: 25

Jackie and Dunlap on guns, God, and San Francisco.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Here's another side splitter.

Senate renews Patriot Act by 89-10 vote

From:
Chicago Sun-Times
Date:
March 3, 2006
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WASHINGTON -- The Senate on Thursday gave its blessing to the renewal of the USA Patriot Act after adding privacy protections designed to strike a balance between civil liberties and the government's power to root out terrorists.

The 89-10 vote marked a bright spot in President Bush's troubled second term as his approval ratings dipped over the war in Iraq and his administration's response to Hurricane Katrina. Renewing the act, Bush and congressional Republicans said, was key to preventing more terror attacks in the United States.

The House was expected to approve it next week and send it to the president. "This bill will allow our law enforcement officials to continue to use the same tools against terrorists that are already used against drug dealers and other criminals, while safeguarding the civil liberties of the American people," Bush said.

Illinois Democrats Barack Obama and Dick Durbin voted for the act.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-13   20:16:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

So did Hillary and McCain.

robin  posted on  2008-04-13   20:28:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3) (Edited)

So did Hillary and McCain

Yes, they're both horrible. But isn't it ironic that Obama's vote allowed for the continued abuse of Habeas Corpus, and now he's making its restoration a central piece of his campaign?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-13   20:34:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#4)

I look for Obummer to take a dive if and when he loses Pa.

The odds would now seem to favor for Hillary as the establishment dems are backing her and Obama has expressed his disdain for the rural white trash.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13 20:40:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Obama's vote allowed for the continued abuse of Habeas Corpus, and now he's making its restoration a central piece of his campaign?

Limited restoration. For Gitmo detainees, only.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-13 20:46:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#4)

This from Politico....

But there is reason to question whether he would be able to perform at average levels with other main pillars of the traditional Democratic coalition: blue-collar whites, Jews and Hispanics. He has run decently among these groups in some places, but in general he’s run well behind her.

Obama lost the Jewish vote by double-digits in Florida, New York and Maryland — and that was before controversy over anti-Israel remarks of Wright.

An undecided Democratic superdelegate told us many Jewish voters are itching for a reason to break with the party and side with Republicans, who have embraced the Israeli cause with passion. A small shift could swing swing states like Florida and Pennsylvania, which have significant Jewish populations. Obama won only about one-third of Hispanic votes on Super Tuesday — and did even worse a month later in Texas. A Democratic nominee needs big margins with Hispanics to win states like New Mexico, California, Colorado and Arizona. In the fall, Obama would be running against a Republican with a record on immigration that will resonate with Hispanics.

"Then there’s the lower-income white vote. Does it seem odd that a woman with a polarizing reputation would be rolling up enormous margins among some of the country’s most traditional voters? Three out of every four blue-collar whites in small towns and rural areas of Ohio voted for Clinton over Obama on March 4. The reality is, this is already an electorate with deep cultural divisions — and that’s in the Democratic Party."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-13 20:50:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

That is incorrect. Habeas Corpus was lost in a bill about detainees. McCain voted to end habeas corpus, not Obama, not even Hillary.

Why Barack Obama Got My Vote - Naomi Wolf

Which is why I am formally coming out of the closet with my support for Senator Barack Obama. Of all the candidates running now, he is the leader on understanding the threat to the Constitution and actually taking action, not just mouthing soundbites, on the need to deny torturers space in our nation and to restore the rule of law.

"Lawyers for Gitmo detainees endorse Obama," read a recent headline on the Boston Globe's political blog. In the article, reporter Charlie Savage notes that "More than 80 volunteer lawyers for Guantanamo Bay detainees today endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama's presidential bid. The attorneys said in a joint statement that they believed Obama was the best choice to roll back the Bush-Cheney administration's detention policies in the war on terrorism and thereby to 'restore the rule of law, demonstrate our commitment to human rights, and repair our reputation in the world community.'"

"When we were walking the halls of the Capitol trying to win over enough Senators to beat back the Administration's bill, Senator Obama made his key staffers and even his offices available to help us," the lawyers wrote. "Senator Obama worked with us to count the votes, and he personally lobbied colleagues who worried about the political ramifications of voting to preserve habeas corpus for the men held at Guantanamo. He has understood that our strength as a nation stems from our commitment to our core values, and that we are strong enough to protect both our security and those values. Senator Obama demonstrated real leadership then and since, continuing to raise Guantanamo and habeas corpus in his speeches and in the debates."

Senator Clinton also opposed the law.

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Floor Statement on the Habeas Corpus Amendment

HABEAS LAWYERS FOR OBAMA

Democrats said they will take the high road. "There will be 30-second attack ads and negative mail pieces, and we will be called everything from cut-and-run quitters to Defeatocrats, to people who care more about the rights of terrorists than the protection of Americans," predicted Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). "While I know all of this, I'm still disappointed, and I'm still ashamed, because what we're doing here today -- a debate over the fundamental human rights of the accused -- should be bigger than politics."

robin  posted on  2008-04-13 20:50:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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