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Title: FLDS mothers appeal to Texas governor to help children (TX Polygamy Sect)
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Houston Chronicle
URL Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5697808.html
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Jennifer Dobner
Post Date: 2008-04-14 01:02:50 by Indrid Cold
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SAN ANGELO, Texas — The mothers of children removed from a West Texas polygamist sect's ranch after an abuse allegation are appealing to Gov. Rick Perry for help. In a letter sect members say was mailed to Perry on Saturday, the mothers from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claim some of their children have become sick and even required hospitalization. They also say children have been questioned about things they know nothing about since they were placed in the legal custody of the state. Perry's spokesman Robert Black said Sunday that he has not seen the letter and couldn't comment. Some 416 children were rounded up and placed in temporary custody in a raid that began 11 days ago, after a domestic violence hot line recorded a complaint from a 16-year-old girl. She said she was suffering physical and sexual abuse at the hands of her 50-year-old husband. The one-page letter, signed by three women who claim they represent others, says about 15 mothers were away from the property when their children were removed. "We were contacted and told our homes had been raided, our children taken away with no explanation, and because of law enforcement blockade preventing entering or leaving the ranch, we were unable to get to our homes and had no-where to go," it said. "As of Wednesday, April 9, 2008, we have been permitted to return to our empty, ransacked homes, heartsick and lonely." The mothers said they want Perry to examine the conditions in which the removed children have been placed. "You would be appalled," the letter said. "Many of our children have become sick as a result of the conditions they have been placed in. Some have even had to be taken to the hospital. Our innocent children are continually being questioned on things they know nothing about. The physical examinations were horrifying to the children. The exposure to these conditions is traumatizing them." Asked about claims that children were hospitalized, state Child Protective Services spokeswoman Marissa Gonzalez said she had not seen the letter and would have to review it before commenting. On Sunday, state officials enforced a judge's order to confiscate the cell phones of the women and children removed from the polygamous sect's private ranch. The emergency order was sought by attorneys ad litem for 18 girls from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who are now in the legal custody of the state, Gonzalez said. The order carries an April 13 date and was signed at 9:20 a.m. by state District Judge Barbara J. Walther. It calls for the removal of all electronic communication devices including phones, PDAs and smart phones. In a copy of the order provided to the AP, lawyers said the phones should be confiscated "to prevent improper communication, tampering with witnesses and to ensure no outside inhibitors to the attorney-client relationship." Gonazalez estimated that at least 50 phones were taken. The children are currently being housed in San Angelo's historic Fort Concho and at the nearby Wells Fargo pavilion. About 140 women from the ranch are also with the children, although they are not in state custody. In their telephone calls, women and children had been calling relatives to report they are living in cramped conditions — cots cribs and playpens are lined up side-by-side — and that many of the children are afraid. An FLDS man who told the AP that his family members are among those inside the fort called the removal of phones a punishment. "This was nothing more than retaliation of CPS to punish those who were disclosing whiat is really happening behind that wall of this concentration camp," said Don, who asked that only his first name be used. Affidavits filed by child protection workers said that upon investigating, they found a pattern of abuse existed at the Yearning for Zion ranch in Eldorado, about 45 miles south of San Angelo. The 1,700-acre fenced ranch, a former game preserve, was bought by the FLDS in 2003. A number of large dormitory-style homes have been built, along with a small medical facility, a cheese factory, a rock quarry, water treatment plant and a towering, white limestone temple. The children are currently being housed in San Angelo's historic Fort Concho and at the nearby Wells Fargo pavilion. About 140 women from the ranch are also with the children, although they are not in state custody. On Saturday, five FLDS women staying at the fort told the Salt Lake City-based Deseret News the temporary shelter is cramped — cots, cribs and playpens are lined up side-by-side — and that many of the children are frightened. Authorities said they have not yet located the teenage mother who's call for help triggered the raid at the ranch. Texas authorities have issued an arrest warrant for the alleged husband, a man identified as Dale Barlow of Colorado City, Ariz., one of two communities on the Utah-Arizona border that have been the traditional home-base of the secretive church. Texas Rangers met with Barlow and his probation officer in St. George, Utah on Saturday, but did not arrest him. Barlow is serving three years probation after pleading no contest to sexual misconduct with a minor — a teenager to whom he was spiritually married. "As for Mr. Barlow, we are continuing to look into whether we have a warrant on the correct person," said Tela Mange, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety. "Until we are able to locate and talk with the complainant it will be difficult for us to know for certain the correct identity of the alleged suspect." The sect practices polygamy in arranged marriage that often pair underage girls with older men. The faith believes the practice will brings glorification in heaven. A judge will decide this week if the children will remain in state custody or return to their families. Hearings are scheduled for Monday and Thursday.
Poster Comment: Quote--"On Sunday, state officials enforced a judge's order to confiscate the cell phones of the women and children removed from the polygamous sect's private ranch." Well, don't that beat all. Much as we all hate polygamy (I could use a few extra co-husbands around this house to help me out), these "cult" members who eat only fresh, wholesome foods, complain about the conditions they're being held in and get their cel phones yanked. Weird as their beliefs are, its' between them and God. No business of the state's, as far as I can see. I guess we should just be glad that the AG didn't burn them alive (again).
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#1. To: Indrid Cold (#0)
This "religion" should have been wiped out at the beginning. When you have one man with seven wives, that means six men don't get married. Imagine a whole society like that, with some men with harems with 30 women in it. In the long run (more like the short) it would collapse in violence. Of course, most men like to delude themselves they'd be the ones with the harem. In reality, about 90% of men wouldn't get married at all.
You can spot the moralist by his exaggerations - Unknown
This isn't a religious issue. The authorities have invaded and taken prisoner a multitude without having a witness, which the accused have a right to face. Whether or not their 16 year old witness is real or fabricated remains to be seen. This type of activity should be based upon some real proof of its veracity. We could find out later that the alleged witness has been murdered and buried, I don't know. But at this point it doesn't appear that the authorities had enough evidence to support their actions IMHO.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
The point I was getting at was that the "victims" are being held incommunicado, as well as in conditions inferior to those they'd set up in their homes. Why not let the women and children stay home and lock up the men 'til this thing gets settled?
Why not have an affidavit sworn to under oath attesting to some set of facts that would give the authorities probable cause to arrest "anyone" ? I've read a number of cases wherein the evidence was dismissed because it was gathered based upon an anonymous tip.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
in the FLDS community most teen boys or young men are in fact run out of the community. Only a minority of the boys do end up getting married. and for them even just getting married is highly dependent on the good will of the leaders of the community. and the leaders don't allow dissent or even a hint of it.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I agree with you noone222. I don't think the taking of 400+ children is really justified by evidence of abuse against those children. and look now - they're disrupting the community's ability to merely communicate with one another. This isn't per the law. this is an effort to destroy a community.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Exactly my point. Married couples are the foundation of a society, and polygamy can't support a civilized society. Polygamy is accepted in some Muslim countries, and they're nothing but parasites on the West. If we didn't buy their oil they'd sink back into the 7th Century.
You can spot the moralist by his exaggerations - Unknown
Ever read the Old Testament? Wikipedia entry on polygamy indicates it has been practised in India, China, Korea, and Japan (in the last three until rather recently).
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#2. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
#3. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
In reality, about 90% of men wouldn't get married at all.
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#4. To: noone222 (#2)
The authorities have invaded and taken prisoner a multitude without having a witness, which the accused have a right to face.
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#5. To: Indrid Cold (#4)
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#6. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
#7. To: noone222 (#2)
On Sunday, state officials enforced a judge's order to confiscate the cell phones of the women and children removed from the polygamous sect's private ranch.
#8. To: Red Jones (#6)
in the FLDS community most teen boys or young men are in fact run out of the community.
#9. To: YertleTurtle (#8)
polygamy can't support a civilized society.
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