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Title: Now He's A Godless Commie
Source: Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
URL Source: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c ... 8/04/now-hes-a-godle.html#more
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Andrew Sullivan
Post Date: 2008-04-14 10:17:18 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 485
Comments: 28

Now He's A Godless Commie

Bill Kristol, trained in the same politics as Hillary Clinton, now argues that Obama's remarks in a fundraiser q and a are the "real Obama" - and that his voluminous writing and speaking about the sincerity of his own religious faith, and of others, are presumably "masks." The reason for inferring Obama's Marxism is the following point Obama artlessly made about the way in which economic distress can alter people's tolerance for others:

"It’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Is this indistinguishable from saying, along with Marx, that all religion is an obviously false consciousness caused by the alienation of the world-historical class struggle? No, it obviously isn't. It's saying that economic distress does often in human history express itself in more rigid forms of religion, more reactionary cultural identification, less tolerance of "the other." Since large swathes of human history have shown this to be true - and perfectly arguable without any materialist understanding of religion - Kristol is deliberately distorting to paint Obama as a cynical manipulator of religious faith for political ends, rather than as a genuine Christian. He's calling him a lying, Godless communist.

You could argue, as Kristol and others hilariously will, that Lou Dobbs has no base, that fundamentalist Christianism has no problem with "the other" in a globalized world, that dozens of state constitutional amendments banning civil marriages that had never and would never have taken place were just spirited forms of civic engagement, rather than scapegoating or politicking on resentment. You could also argue, as others legitimately will, that spasms of economic distress and social discontent are unconnected. Hey: Weimar had nothing to do with Hitler. But Kristol is doing something much more pernicious: he is saying that Obama is faking faith, that his very profession of faith is a "mask" that is slipping, and that Kristol is the person to determine whose faith is genuine and who is a fraud.

A non-Christian manipulator of Christianity is calling a Christian a liar about his own faith. That's where they've gone to already. And it's only the middle of April. What are they so scared of?

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#2. To: All (#0)

Oops, I left out the link to the Kristol piece to which Sullivan refers: The Mask Slips . And Sullivan is not exaggerating: Kristol really is accusing Obama of being a Marxist in this piece.

An awful lot like the way some posters here have been bandying about that "Commie" label a lot these days, isn't it? I wonder how they feel about Kristol engaging in the same tactic.

Of course, as a Marxist would say, what they're doing "objectively" benefits the Zionist cause as much as what Kristol does.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   10:22:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   11:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Peppa (#6)

I guess I have to remind you that I cannot run audio or video clips.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   11:03:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

I guess I have to remind you that I cannot run audio or video clips.

Well that won't stop me.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   11:04:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Peppa (#8)

Is it courteous to address a posting to someone that you know he won't be able to read (or hear or view, or whatever), when you could put it in a readable form?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   11:07:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#9)

Is it courteous to address a posting to someone that you know he won't be able to read (or hear or view, or whatever), when you could put it in a readable form?

Perhaps you could upgrade your machine.

I have the 4209.chilidog.redneck 5000. It plays videos just fine as frogs fur.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   11:10:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Peppa (#10)

Perhaps you could upgrade your machine.

If I force people to express what they have to say in words, it makes discussion more rational.

It's the same reason I practically never watch television. Encourages passive thought.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   11:13:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: aristeides (#12)

If I force people to express what they have to say in words, it makes discussion more rational.

It's the same reason I practically never watch television. Encourages passive thought.

Let me know whe you become a rational thinker. So far, I've seen little proof you are able to discern fairytails from facts.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   11:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa (#13)

And so far you have been doing little besides posting clips.

If you disapprove of my reasoning, why don't you argue about the matter, in words?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   11:16:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: aristeides (#15)

If you disapprove of my reasoning, why don't you argue about the matter, in words?

Did you know that your strategy is predictable? Like clockwork.

Yes yes, you and friends have been saying that if people don't vote for Obama they are zionists, or zionazi's. Perhaps you can explain that commander. You seem to make some large assumptions that you have not illustrated in fact but rather by insinuation. Please, your rationale is?

Do tell.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   11:33:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Peppa (#17)

Yes yes, you and friends have been saying that if people don't vote for Obama they are zionists, or zionazi's.

I have never said such a thing. As a matter of fact, it would be very odd for me to say it, since I have not yet made up my own mind to vote for Obama.

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