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Title: 4um poll. Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 10:55:39 by Jethro Tull
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I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
No affliation, burned twice, not again. Despise party before country types of all stripes.
It doesn't explain me. I changed my registration two years ago from Republican to Independent, where it remains.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I usually consider myself a big-L Libertarian, though I end up voting for big party candidates. I'm really kind of a Goldwater conservative, though it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for the average Republican candidate anymore. I'm votin' Obama in 2008.
Who did you vote for in '04?
Nader. For the same antiwar reasons that I voted for Buchanan in 2000.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Thanks. I have L leanings, but parts of the party platform stuck in my throat. Harry Browne could never get far enough past the open border, free trade issues to satisfy me.
reformed R. i would have pressed the R lever for Ron Paul only.
He's running again as a Green.
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer. Texan, yes - amerikan, no.
Yes, he is, but both Barr and Obama are antiwar enough for me, so far. Which gets my vote depends on further developments.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. My last vote was Constitution Party. I've explained to everyone that my interest in Obama is about minimizing the damage. McCain is a 100% NeoCon who will destroy what remains of our liberties and our nation. And, labels are now meaningless, IMO. Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Me too, and I'll never understand why he remains in that party. The House re- election reason isn't enough for me. His name recognition is sufficient enough to offset the party, besides he's 72. It was now or never for RP.
Ditto.
I thought this way for a while, but I've returned to my belief that there is a political left and right. They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.
I am an awakened and enraged former R, and my tagline says it all.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Modern conservatism is the wealthiest and most elite 2% manipulating small town America with a billion dollar propaganda engine. Using buzz words such as "pro-life", "gay marriage", "Islamofascism" and "commies" gets small town America riled up into an easily manipulated state. The goal is to manipulate this large group into voting tax cuts for the plutocratic two percent, and not to actually act on such things as abortion or gay marriage - which the 2% actually like having as an option. Hence, all the talk - for decades - and no action at all.
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Been a libertarian since before the formation of the party. I don't think the label necessarily means much--the D or R label that is--because in my experience it is just two factions of the same gang pretending to fight over figurehead positions, at least at the top of the ticket. I like Ron Paul and have supported him for years, voted for him when he ran under the Libertarian banner back in '88. But I don't have a lot of use for most of them because most of them have sold out their own children and grandchildren.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And a number of the posters here are involved in that manipulation. Whether as manipulators or as manipulated, we shall see.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I am not familiar with Barr's stance, but frankly R's basic objection to the war was that it was not initiated by Congress. A good Constitutional stance but not strong enough for me, actually. I much prefer Obama's plain-spoken "dumb". I have no fear whatsoever that he would initiate another illegal pre-emptive war. If he is not nominated I will probably write in the 1st (and only one worth a damn) Bob Taft.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Me too. Voting is a farce, an exercise in futility. I dont appreciate being forced to choose between 2 or more maggot infested traitorous shit-for-brains.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Opinions don't have to be a conspiracy theory just because you disagree with them.
Ditto
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Not that the left is w/o buzz words. Here's a small sample; Share, biosphere, gender norming, fair share, racial inequity, diversity, tolerance.
As a Paleocon/Paleolibertarian I do not fit into either of the two horns of the Hegelian Parties and that suits me fine. I spit upon the hierarchy of both of the major 1 1/2 Parties - the fraud of what I call the Republicrats. Both of the so-called "Parties" are controlled at the top by the same Banking interests who have subverted and perverted our Republic. I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Not yet, but we do have people who are going to vote for a died in the wool D, which is just as bat shit crazy :)
I agree there is a slight difference too. However, perhaps what really matters is the degree of goodness and decency in the leader(s) of a country, less than the form of govt. Which is not to say, I would welcome a benevolent dictator.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
that's all they are, used like cattle prods
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Texan, yes - amerikan, no. For TEXAS and Miss Lilly! Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Sad, but oh so true.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Ecotopia is the title of a book by Earnest Callenbach. Not many support the succession to form a laid back Red China as happens in that particular novel. You actually live in U.S. occupied Cascadia. ;-)
My fear is that we will have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain. I will cast my vote wherever I think it will be most effective in stopping this. Going by the record of the past 7.5 years, I would prefer to take a chance with either Democratic candidate than to continue on our present course - which is what McCain has promised us. Given what McCain has promised, voting for McCain ratifies the Bush policies and McCain would come to power with what he believes is a genuine mandate to continue them. All in all, a very dangerous situation. I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up. We're in for a crash. They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon. McCain is old and sick and he'll be gone soon, so he can absorb the blame and then die. Fox News and the rest of the goob foolers have already assured the people in Wichita and hick Pennsylvania that McCain isn't a real conservative and he isn't one of them, so the failure can be easily disowned when it comes. The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.
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"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Who me? Naw, dectectorator.
True, but a lot of Texans are becoming aware of the problem and so he has been, to some small degree, slowed down and held in check. Now all you need is Roy Bean and a rope. :-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Mud says I'm a lefty, but he's not entirely correct all the time so... who knows. yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP', Whatever the f__k that means. I haven't voted since Mulroney was supposedly elected the second time. F__k I hate that guy.
Naw - I just thought it fit the situation since we are fighting a very toxic enema.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Being merely a pinheaded dick, he's just expressing his jealousy here.
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#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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#12. To: christine (#7)
#13. To: lodwick (#9)
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer.
#14. To: robin (#11)
And, labels are now meaningless, IMO. Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
#16. To: robin (#11)
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Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Lord Acton
#18. To: ... (#16)
Using buzz words such as "pro-life", "gay marriage", "Islamofascism" and "commies" gets small town America riled up into an easily manipulated state. The goal is to manipulate this large group into voting tax cuts for the plutocratic two percent, and not to actually act on such things as abortion or gay marriage - which the 2% actually like having as an option.
#19. To: aristeides (#10)
Yes, he is, but both Barr and Obama are antiwar enough for me, so far.
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
"I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping."
Obama for president 2008
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
#24. To: ... (#16)
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#26. To: aristeides (#21)
I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.
#28. To: ... (#16)
buzz words
#29. To: lodwick (#9)
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer.
#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)
I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.
#31. To: Original_Intent (#29)
Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.
#32. To: Original_Intent (#29)
"Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory."
Obama for president 2008
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
#35. To: Original_Intent (#29)
#36. To: Peppa (#31)
#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)
#38. To: lodwick (#35)
Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#40. To: Peppa (#37)
#41. To: wudidiz (#39)
"yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',"
Obama for president 2008
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