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Title: 4um poll. Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-04-14 10:55:39 by Jethro Tull
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I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
Poster Comment: I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
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#105. To: aristeides (#98)
The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed. To date, the liberties and rights we've lost has been on a voluntary basis. Given Obama's position on the 2nd, we'll no longer have that option. It's been said America can come back from a socialist government, but can we come back from a government who has disarmed us? Now, put on your best Bronx accent and please give us a yes or no to that question.
We need a time machine.
The Bush Justice Department has taken precisely the same position on the D.C. gun law that Novak says Obama has taken on the Second Amendment. I don't think we can come back from a government that has successfully disarmed us. But I see no reason to believe that a President Obama will do that any more than Bush or preceding presidents, including Democratic ones, have done. Democrats learned from electoral losses in the 1990's to be gun-shy on Second Amendment issues. So I see the Second Amendment as very much a secondary issue. I'm more concerned about the civil liberties that the Bush regime has taken from us and about the wars of aggression that it has launched.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Ari... It is painful day after day to read that you actually believe there is a two party system in this country. Perhaps if you were to unchain your mind from the delusion fed to you for so many years, you might be able to change perspective.
I'm with you, although I did vote for Ron Paul in the latest republican primary. I voted constitution party in 04 (Peroutka/Baldwin). I may vote for Don Grundmann for president in 08, (www.truthusa.org) if he gets the Constituion Party nomination. if not, i probably wont vote. the Constituion Party has been pushing neocon candidates such as Jerome Corsi (admitted former israeli govt employee) and Alan 'bring back the draft' keyes. Shame. I'm still a registered republican and never changed my R registration. when i talk to people about 911 being an inside job i state that I'm a Catholic republican, but that it's not about D v R or any such nonsense, its about the truth and that the new world order is run by evil devil worshipers, including the bushes, who are nothing but satanic puppets. If Catholics in particular want to argue i ask them why they still support the war despire the fact their own Pope, including the previous Pope, have been steadfast against the undeclared Iraq 'war' and called it a 'DEFEAT FOR HUMANITY'. The war does not meet the criteria for the just war doctrine , which is outlined in the official Catholic catechism. So I ask them, who exactly do you worship, Jesus Christ or the state? 'You reject the church's position and have chosen to worship the state.'. I also tell them to educate themselves on the church's numerous encyclicals on freemasonry ("THEIR GOD IS THE DEVIL'), that is what the church teaches. So why are they pawns for skull & bones freemasonic satanists? and also, george bush senior attacks on the Pope while he was in congres, and his demand for global population control. RUBBERS GOES TO CONGRESS www.tarpley.net/bush10.htm THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE H W BUSH - BY WEBSTER TARPLEY MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." MCCAIN: 'HILLARY CAN STILL PULL IT OFF'; **Exclusive**
I have come to believe that labels like "Conservative" or "Liberal" and party identification like "Republican" or "Democrat" are purposely divisive and contribute directly to the deterioration of our society. The party and idealogical elites want to see a divided population.........we're so much easier to control when we're all pissed at one another. Just read some of the posts here and on other sites; you'll see a one or two post exchange before the name calling and the condescension begins. This sort of culture has led us to the sorry state in which we reside.
Resist!
Insert just a couple of trolls into a forum, and you can stir up all sorts of dissension. I think Zionists would have a real interest in doing that to a forum like this one.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I haven't counted the number of "us" on this thread, but I'm pleasantly surprised. Their two party scam and (s)elections have become a transparent bread and circus. To vote for anyone but the most qualified candidate, despite their chances of victory, is to sell out to the system, IMO.
I agree about the illusion of party labels. Can anyone look at the McCain and Hillary pic/story above and think there isn't one National Party with two wings?
Have you ever watched a round of layoffs in a major corporation? The company picks off the people one by one and the ones remaining hide under their desks and try to stay invisible - or they nark out other people trying to buy favor until the ax falls on them. The company breaks age discrimination laws and every other employment law in the book as they know no insider will testify against them. And the people they've already screwed over don't make good witnesses. Eventually, even the most craven boot licker gets screwed in the ass and the department is cleaned out. After seeing this bunch perform in corporate world time and time again, I just don't see them spontaneously rising up into a bloody gun fight with the government. And I know an easy way to stop a confrontation of this sort if it ever happens, have AM Radio announce that anyone photographed at the confrontation will lose their job. And it will be easy to get informants to simply pick up the agitators and few willing to fight. Look at Mudboy, he's dumb and loyal to the government no matter what the government does. All the government has to do is tell him everyone on earth is a lib except for him and he would be a willing tool for the fascists. That's how the Nazis controlled France, one or two informants per village and it was over for the resistance. And suppose a miracle happened and people did rise up. How would a fat Texan with a shotgun fare against a modern army? Look to Mogudishu for an example. 2000 killed for 19 government casualties. And here the civilians were better armed than Americans, full auto AK-47s, RPGs and grenades. And the soldiers were only trying to leave - not to inflict major damage. My point is that I don't think the elites are very worried about people having guns - save for the crime angle. They certainly arn't worried about armed resistance. It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married.
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Can anyone look at the McCain and Hillary pic/story above and think there isn't one National Party with two wings? Well put, my friend. And maddeningly accurate.
Resist!
So your argument is since we're not going to use them, we might as well ignore the laws they cook up for us? I've said it before publicly and I'll say it again; I'll shoot any government agent who comes for my guns. If I'm the only one, so be it. It won't matter much to me given where I'll be spending eternity after the event. And how does this argument explains Mr. O's willingness to make it a crime for a person to defend his/her home? His advancement of that legislation is enough to eliminate him from serious discussion.
. Thats "Hick" to you sir.
While I won't discount the truth of your statement, I think there are also regular folks who just aren't intelligent enough to think beyond their self-identification, and are too insecure to consider anyone with a different viewpoint anything but a threat. I'm certain that there are "plants" in public forums, but I'm also certain that on many forums the "trolls" are actually the owners, managers, and mods. (certainly not true of this 4um, Christine is NOT part of the problem)
Resist!
Back in your hidey hole, rube.
Ah ha, company man, huh????
Know what? When the slicks make war, they always think of us first and give first class tickets to the fight, so that means they kinda like us, huh?
The real problem is see with the focus on guns is that they provide a false sense of security to powerless, dumb people. I saw this recently with a kid who had signed an employment contract that gave the corporation a right to screw him over for the rest of his natural life - on a whim. If a manager didn't like him, the contract gave the manager a right to disrupt the kids employment at other companies for ten years. When I tried to explain this to the kid, he got mad and took the position that nobody could do that to him. When I pointed out that the company had a perfect right to do it and that they had screwed people this way before, the kid he had guns and would take to the street before that happened to him. I knew this was the end of the story. I also knew the kid would just get screwed like the kid before him and the kid before that. And the kid, with a new baby and a mortgage, would never take to the street. The point here is that the kid pounded his chest and ranted about his gun instead of going in and getting the contract amended. Which he could have done and which would have served him much better. I've seen the same thing happen when the government takes away people's constitutional rights. Instead of doing something effective to stop the process, the powerless dumb people pound their chests, rant about their guns and then go back to watching the game on TV. As I said before, the elites don't care if these people have guns. It placates these people and the guns pose no real threat to the elites.
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They even give us big guns to shoot strangers with (just don't shoot a burglar when you return. Obama the Magnificent takes exception).
Golly thats what they did to us in 1950, first class airfare to Korea, gave us beeg guns and said, "do your DUTY, kill those gooks". I did wonder what was MY duty...
They sure placate me as they've saved my life. Hell, I've even seen where some dumb rube protected his family with a gun. So, again, why would an elite such as Obama press forward anti gun legislation if the damn things work so well and pose no threat to the established order?
No, see my second post on this. Guns have value against criminals and rioters, or against other civilians if there is some sort of breakdown in society. So I'm not anti-gun and I see a value in them. I own a great many myself. What I am saying is that the elites don't fear an armed population. At least not with the arms the population is now allowed to legally own. So government elites fearing an insurrection isn't one of the real drivers behind the gun control issue. They don't care if a 375 lb guy in Dallas owns a shotgun. He can't really hurt them with it and they could very easily get it away from him if it ever became a danger to them.
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Jethro... Hint, hint, all those suits with sun glasses around Obummer have got BEEEEGGG guns in their pockets. Now, why is that??? Is Obummers hide worth more than mine or my family?????
God, fifty years ago, and we're still there at our battle stations. Toss in Germany, Japan and Italy also. In fact, I think our military is in more than 120 nations. And Obama claims he'll remove the kids from Iraq? The boy's still on crack.
It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married. At least in hick PA people can escape from the city. I wanted to post what polak at lf writes about the Poles and how they handled the informers, like the one who ratted out polak's grandmother who was killed by the Germans for harboring someone. He said the townspeople burned down the house with the informant and his whole family inside. Informant problem solved. I think this approach is highly effective.
I have friends that are buried there, some God forsaken place, in North Korea, MIA, written off by our elite government. I did not know where the damned place was. But not to worry, I was soon exposed to Korea and China and Russia. Our country had plans to blow them all to hell and gone and I was invited to the first fight. I felt so honored.
Short story.. Many years ago was in Annapolis on legal matters. Met and chatted with elderly gentleman that was head of a prestigious law firm there. During our conversation, he mentioned he owned a cabin near me back here in the hills and said he visited it once or twice a year, maybe for a little fishing. I asked if that was his main purpose of ownership and his answer required no explanation. He said, "We keep it...just in case".
Jeez, call me paranoid, but throughout history rogue governments have confiscated private guns. England and Australia come to mind most recently. I speak for myself afa what I'll do should that happen here. I agree with your above statement, and if given his druthers, Obama would make anyone who uses them against a criminal, a criminal. That won't sell with the legions of unkempt, toothless, low IQ'ers out here. Obama: the more you learn about him, the more ill you become.
Evidence please...MUD
I've never figgered that one out either...MUD BTW...what's a cuff? And how do you laugh up it?
You talkin bout us rube cuzins agin?
One time I was on Saipan with my National Guard SF unit driving about in duce and a halves looking at infiltration and exfiltration points. We stopped at suicide cliffs and the last command post of the Japanese which is a ruptured rock and concrete entity adjacent to the Buddhist memorials at the base of this cliff where so many took their lives when we retook that island. We were leaving and several bus loads of Japanese arrived and besieged us. Our Co let us dismount our vehicles to be props to the delight of this hoard of people who run in herds by nature and always own the finest in audio visual equipment. It was an strange feeling if you knew of the full history of the fight and spilled blood that had been all around where we were just a few short decades before. One interesting thing about it was that the Chimorros selling fruit and libations there had given us refreshments on the house, and when the Japanese showed up, the high prices were back in force. I wonder if we are still well liked there as this was in the eighties, and the sour attitude toward us in Guam might have filtered up into the rest of the Marianna Islands by now.
Agreed, but .......... Nothing short of selling guns at the White House gift shop will assuage the gun nuts.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Thats when you are trying to pick the cuff with a bend paper clip in your mouth while your the guy cuffed next to you is making you laugh at blond jokes while you are trying to work. Most people know and appreciates that in a situation where people are tense anyway and disposed to nervous laughter, never make them laugh on their cuffs. Do we always have to explain such basic things to you, or do you just have a brain cramp this morning? ;-)
Yes Virgil, I'm talking about you. Now pardon me while I fondle my new picture of Rexella, from the Jack Van Impe ministries.
I wonder if we are still well liked there as this was in the eighties, and the sour attitude toward us in Guam might have filtered up into the rest of the Marianna Islands by now. At opening shot of the Pacific war, Japan held the Northern Marianas Islands. They invaded Guam with 5000 soldiers with full equipment. On Guam the US had 128 Marines, one machine gun, rifles for all and a few .45 cal for the few. Having "visited" Guam a few times during the Korean war, the Japanese were not well liked from war memories. If you have time, use google and take a look at what is going on there now, preparations are being made for much larger affairs than Iraq. If you take the time, study it well with a large world map in view, you will see what is afoot.
Ico; DC is a gun-free zone. For ten points, and control of the clock, guess the color and political affiliation of the legislators from the District who thought that was a swell idea?
Just looked at their website. Scary place.
God forbid the economy gets as bad I think it's going to. If you live in the suburbs of any city of any size, you may see the day when when local guns laws may not seem such a horrible idea. At any rate, it's an SC issue. Cool your jets. I've learned that single issue voting can bite you in the ass.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Good thinking, but I wonder what his honest answer would've been.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI'm much more concerned about ending the war in Iraq and the Bush regime's violations of civil liberties.
#106. To: karelian (#94)
#107. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
Given Obama's position on the 2nd, we'll no longer have that option.
#108. To: aristeides (#107)
I don't think we can come back from a government that has successfully disarmed us. But I see no reason to believe that a President Obama will do that any more than Bush or preceding presidents, including Democratic ones, have done. Democrats learned from electoral losses in the 1990's to be gun-shy on Second Amendment issues.
#109. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
Bush declared: "I have decided to give my vigorous support for population control in both the United States and the world." He also lashed out at the Pope. "For those of us who who feel so strongly on this issue, the recent enyclical was most discouraging." In 1967, Bush called for "having the government agencies work even more closely with going private agencies such as Planned Parenthood."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#110. To: Cynicom (#108)
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#111. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
#112. To: WhiteGuy (#111)
Just read some of the posts here and on other sites; you'll see a one or two post exchange before the name calling and the condescension begins.
#113. To: Artisan (#109)
I'm with you, although I did vote for Ron Paul in the latest republican primary. I voted constitution party in 04 (Peroutka/Baldwin).
#114. To: WhiteGuy (#111)
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
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The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed.
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
#117. To: ... (#115)
#118. To: ... (#115)
It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married.
#119. To: aristeides, Christine (#112)
Insert just a couple of trolls into a forum, and you can stir up all sorts of dissension.
#120. To: Cynicom (#118)
#121. To: WhiteGuy (#119)
(certainly not true of this 4um, Christine is NOT part of the problem)
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#120)
Back in your hidey hole, rube.
#123. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed.
#124. To: Cynicom (#122)
#125. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
They even give us big guns to shoot strangers with (just don't shoot a burglar when you return. Obama the Magnificent takes exception).
#126. To: ... (#123)
As I said before, the elites don't care if these people have guns. It placates these people and the guns pose no real threat to the elites.
#127. To: Jethro Tull (#117)
So your argument is since we're not going to use them, we might as well ignore the laws they cook up for us?
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#126)
They sure placate me as they've saved my life. Hell, I've even seen where some dumb rube protected his family with a gun. So, again, why would an elite such as Obama press forward anti gun legislation if the damn things work so well and pose no threat to the established order?
#129. To: Cynicom (#125)
Korea
#130. To: ... (#115)
That's how the Nazis controlled France, one or two informants per village and it was over for the resistance.
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#129)
God, fifty years ago, and we're still there at our battle stations
#132. To: angle, Jethro Tull, Peppa, christine (#130)
At least in hick PA people can escape from the city.
#133. To: ... (#127)
Guns have value against criminals and rioters, or against other civilians if there is some sort of breakdown in society. So I'm not anti-gun and I see a value in them. I own a great many myself.
#134. To: ... (#104)
"...in 2004, right before the 2004 election, right before the Party fooled your moronic ass into voting for Bush the SECOND time, you told us that Bush would get the deficit cleaned up right after the election."
#135. To: ... (#103)
"Mud, why do you think everyone laughs up their cuff at you?"
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#133)
That won't sell with the legions of unkempt, toothless, low IQ'ers out here.
#137. To: Cynicom (#131)
Obama for president 2008
#138. To: aristeides (#95)
Sounds like a nuanced position to me.
#139. To: Mudboy Slim (#135)
"BTW...what's a cuff? And how do you laugh up it?"
Obama for president 2008
#140. To: Cynicom (#136)
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#137)
One interesting thing about it was that the Chimorros selling fruit and libations there had given us refreshments on the house, and when the Japanese showed up, the high prices were back in force.
#142. To: iconoclast (#138)
Nothing short of selling guns at the White House gift shop will assuage the gun nuts.
#143. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
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"Now pardon me while I fondle my new picture of Rexella, from the Jack Van Impe ministries."
Obama for president 2008
#144. To: christine (#83)
that 2nd amendment position that obama holds is appalling, imo. i'm changing my mind about wanting him to have the op to fulfill his promises for change, on that one issue.
#145. To: Cynicom (#132)
I asked if that was his main purpose of ownership and his answer required no explanation. He said, "We keep it...just in case".
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