Title: 4um poll. Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R? Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Apr 14, 2008 Author:me Post Date:2008-04-14 10:55:39 by Jethro Tull Keywords:None Views:3220 Comments:242
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
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I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
My fear is that we will have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain. I will cast my vote wherever I think it will be most effective in stopping this.
Going by the record of the past 7.5 years, I would prefer to take a chance with either Democratic candidate than to continue on our present course - which is what McCain has promised us.
Given what McCain has promised, voting for McCain ratifies the Bush policies and McCain would come to power with what he believes is a genuine mandate to continue them. All in all, a very dangerous situation.
I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up. We're in for a crash. They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon. McCain is old and sick and he'll be gone soon, so he can absorb the blame and then die. Fox News and the rest of the goob foolers have already assured the people in Wichita and hick Pennsylvania that McCain isn't a real conservative and he isn't one of them, so the failure can be easily disowned when it comes. The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.
#74. To: ..., Original Intent, Peppa, Cynicom, lodwick, Dakmar, christine, Obama, Clinton, McCain, Chertoff, all (#33)(Edited)
Here's my bitch. I think our foreign policy is many pay grades above the office of the presidency. One (s)elected man/woman isn't going to defund the MIC while it's in full earning potential. We're talking about trillions and trillions of dollars in profit and countless corporations and jobs depend on war as their Mother’s milk. That richest 2% of people and governments you speak of will *never* tolerate a penny less in profit, and this reality was the sole reason I never gave RP a snowball‘s chance in hell despite having all the issues “right“.
OTOH, on the domestic front, the political left irks me b/c the social programs they love so much costs me money. I'm like a lot of other folks, I simply can't afford to give even more to a central government for redistribution. I also want the political left to get their laws off my guns. Obama is capable of further damage to my bottom line, and he’s despicable on the 2nd amendment. How a man who proposes that self defense in one’s home is illegal, can be accepted by so many, sucks.
So, to sum up my political feeling, McCain is correct; we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years. Neither Obama nor Clinton will have the power or authority to change that, should they be (s)elected. The points that matter to me most make Obama the worst choice between the three.
OTOH, on the domestic front, the political left irks me b/c the social programs they love so much costs me money. I'm like a lot of other folks, I simply can't afford to give even more to a central government for redistribution. I also want the political left to get their laws off my guns. Obama is capable of further damage to my bottom line, and he’s despicable on the 2nd amendment. How a man who proposes that self defense in one’s home is illegal, can be accepted by so many, sucks.
So, to sum up my political feeling, McCain is correct; we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years. Neither Obama nor Clinton will have the power or authority to change that, should they be (s)elected. The points that matter to me most make Obama the worst of choice between the three.
very well said. that 2nd amendment position that obama holds is appalling, imo. i'm changing my mind about wanting him to have the op to fulfill his promises for change, on that one issue. no matter what, we cannot as a populace be disarmed. that is still the only thing that the tyrants fear.
#88. To: christine, Peppa, farmfriend, Cynicom, robin, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach, Percy Dovetonsils, Pinguinite, ratcat, Palo Verde, aristeides, all (#83)
...no matter what, we cannot as a populace be disarmed. that is still the only thing that the tyrants fear.
True, but what they fear even more is an alerted armed populace. We need both, and we need to keep cool heads and keep pushing - alerting and waking people up to the true, and real, danger they are in.
Too many people do not want to look e.g., I have a good friend, who owned a very successful machine tool business, who will not look at or believe how many innocent people have been murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan - because it disagrees with the world view implanted by the lamestream media. He thinks McInsane is a good choice because he will continue the "Waronterra" as he has accepted the false rationale sold for it. He is not a stupid man, but he is "afraid to look" at the reality because it is too awful for him to confront.
True, but what they fear even more is an alerted armed populace. We need both, and we need to keep cool heads and keep pushing - alerting and waking people up to the true, and real, danger they are in.
Obama was signalling that in his statement the other day. While almost at the same time, Mayor Nutter was moving that effort forward. He's getting pushback, but there is no mistaking Obama's position on gun control. People should look up his votes on this, his comments about it... and I have suggested that Hillary and McCain are no better, so look up their positions too.
Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.
Nothing short of selling guns at the White House gift shop will assuage the gun nuts.
Ico;
DC is a gun-free zone.
For ten points, and control of the clock, guess the color and political affiliation of the legislators from the District who thought that was a swell idea?
Until the "government" requested my services, I had never fired a gun, never owned one, still do not own one.
I was rejected for gov services, as you know.
I've never fired a weapon at a 'human' and never hope to have to do so: but if it comes to that, trust me, I have the capabilities of many small countries to do so.
The day of induction, I went thru the Army physical altho I was Air force. Of 713 men no one failed, not one. We shipped out that night.
If you could walk in, you were in. I saw two doctors, one listened to my heart for about 5 seconds, said yep, you got one, next. The other was a shrink at the end of the physical that asked if I could drive a tractor, I replied no and he said, "next". I was in.
To me they are born not made and it is a tough life as I have known both females and males that have lived it.
I got hit on by a couple of gay women out in California about the time I turned 30. Both of them were very reclusive and avoided contact with most people. It's like they wanted to give it one hard try at being straight before admitting they were gay and entering the lifestyle. It's like they preferred to be straight. This convinced me that they're born not made.
Too bad. Both were easier to get along with than straight women. Sort of like hanging around with a guy. Sure were lousy in the sack however.