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Title: 4um poll. Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 10:55:39 by Jethro Tull
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I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.


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I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.

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#21. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   11:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping."

Opinions don't have to be a conspiracy theory just because you disagree with them.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-14   12:03:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.

Ditto

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

noone222  posted on  2008-04-14   12:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ... (#16)

Not that the left is w/o buzz words. Here's a small sample;

Share, biosphere, gender norming, fair share, racial inequity, diversity, tolerance.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-14   12:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

As a Paleocon/Paleolibertarian I do not fit into either of the two horns of the Hegelian Parties and that suits me fine.

I spit upon the hierarchy of both of the major 1 1/2 Parties - the fraud of what I call the Republicrats. Both of the so-called "Parties" are controlled at the top by the same Banking interests who have subverted and perverted our Republic. I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: aristeides (#21)

I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.

Not yet, but we do have people who are going to vote for a died in the wool D, which is just as bat shit crazy :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-14   12:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.

I agree there is a slight difference too. However, perhaps what really matters is the degree of goodness and decency in the leader(s) of a country, less than the form of govt. Which is not to say, I would welcome a benevolent dictator.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   12:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: ... (#16)

buzz words

that's all they are, used like cattle prods

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   12:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lodwick (#9)

I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer.

Texan, yes - amerikan, no.

For TEXAS and Miss Lilly!

Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)

I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.

Sad, but oh so true.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-14   12:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#29)

Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   12:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#29)

"Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory."

Ecotopia is the title of a book by Earnest Callenbach. Not many support the succession to form a laid back Red China as happens in that particular novel. You actually live in U.S. occupied Cascadia. ;-)


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-14   12:24:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.

My fear is that we will have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain. I will cast my vote wherever I think it will be most effective in stopping this.

Going by the record of the past 7.5 years, I would prefer to take a chance with either Democratic candidate than to continue on our present course - which is what McCain has promised us.

Given what McCain has promised, voting for McCain ratifies the Bush policies and McCain would come to power with what he believes is a genuine mandate to continue them. All in all, a very dangerous situation.

I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up. We're in for a crash. They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon. McCain is old and sick and he'll be gone soon, so he can absorb the blame and then die. Fox News and the rest of the goob foolers have already assured the people in Wichita and hick Pennsylvania that McCain isn't a real conservative and he isn't one of them, so the failure can be easily disowned when it comes. The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.

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...  posted on  2008-04-14   12:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:28:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#29)

Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-14   12:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Peppa (#31)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:29:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#36)

Who me? Naw, dectectorator.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   12:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lodwick (#35)

Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.

True, but a lot of Texans are becoming aware of the problem and so he has been, to some small degree, slowed down and held in check. Now all you need is Roy Bean and a rope. :-)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Mud says I'm a lefty, but he's not entirely correct all the time so... who knows.

yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',

Whatever the f__k that means.

I haven't voted since Mulroney was supposedly elected the second time.

F__k I hate that guy.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-14   12:31:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#37)

Naw - I just thought it fit the situation since we are fighting a very toxic enema.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz (#39)

"yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',"

Being merely a pinheaded dick, he's just expressing his jealousy here.


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-14   12:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: wudidiz (#39)

yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',

yukturd just doesn't like anyone who does not support his "talking points" that he is given. Nothing personal - just business.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Original_Intent (#25)

I agree 100% with you.

I'm a registered Republican. I used to be a very loyal republican who shilled for them among the citizenry and even worked for some in campaigns, gave money, etc. I began to doubt the Republicans in 1989 when I was reading in the Wall Street Journal about things that George HW Bush was actually doing as president. He was pursuing big-government, etc. that he had railed against in the campaign. You have to question liars. Finally in 2001 when I saw GW Bush double spending on the department of education and go for new laws enhancing federal government stranglehold on schools that I finally turned against the republicans.

But the demos are no good either. They work for the same people who rule us as the Repubs do.

If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-14   12:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)

Naw - I just thought it fit the situation since we are fighting a very toxic enema.

Roger that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   12:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: wudidiz (#39)

That updated zoot suit might make you a Pachuco, but not a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP.' ;-)


Obama for president 2008

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-04-14   12:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ..., Jethro Tull, Peppa, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz (#33)

I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up.

Most of that 2% haven't a clue as to what is really occurring. They are just stolid, materialistic, and afraid of losing their toy collection and the false respect that money brings.

Only about the upper one tenth of 1 percent, or less, really have any clear idea of the game being played. If the Globalist/Bankster plans come to fruition most of that 2% will be "liquidated" as a threat to "their betters". Some might be allowed to live as overseers and such but the true elite want no threat, real or perceived, to their megalomaniacal intentions.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike, Original_Intent (#32)

Cascadia

Has a nice ring to it.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-14   12:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: ... (#33)

The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.

mcCain's choice should be interesting. i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman. that could very well be the plan of the PTB.

christine  posted on  2008-04-14   12:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Red Jones (#43)

I began to doubt the Republicans in 1989 when I was reading in the Wall Street Journal about things that George HW Bush was actually doing as president.

For me it was about '86 with the Tax increases and roll back of the Reagan Tax cuts (as an aside I figured out about that time that Reagan was suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's - when Nancy had to prompt him as to what to say to reporters when disembarking Marine One) that inspired a boom in the economy. It was clear to me that the boom was upsetting the elites as a lot of people were making hay and rapidly amassing fortunes which made them players. Real Charities, not just the phony Red Cross, were getting massive infusions of Philanthropic cash - which gave the ability to counter eugenics kill-offs of "useless eaters". The Global elite, Rothschilds-Rockefuckers et. al., did not want anyone to rise to a position which could allow a well intended wealthy individual to begin opposing their plans - which have been in place since at least the early 1800's if not before.

If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.

Agreed without reservation.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent, Ferret Mike (#42)

yuktard

I'd be awfully concerned if he only had nice things to say about me.


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-14   12:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull, robin, Lodwick (#14)

I thought this way for a while, but I've returned to my belief that there is a political left and right.

Well many, if not most, Republicans have not had a problem with calling Democrats communists for many years ... it appears obvious to me that they aren't very close to calling Republicans the fascist plutocrats that they have morphed into.

I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party

iconoclast  posted on  2008-04-14   12:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: wudidiz (#50)

yuktard

I'd be awfully concerned if he only had nice things to say about me.

That would be a definite cause for concern. ;-)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-04-14   12:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#46)

Most of that 2% haven't a clue as to what is really occurring. They are just stolid, materialistic, and afraid of losing their toy collection and the false respect that money brings.

Only about the upper one tenth of 1 percent, or less, really have any clear idea of the game being played. If the Globalist/Bankster plans come to fruition most of that 2% will be "liquidated" as a threat to "their betters". Some might be allowed to live as overseers and such but the true elite want no threat, real or perceived, to their megalomaniacal intentions.

Agreed.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-14   12:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

That updated zoot suit might make you a Pachuco, but not a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP.' ;-)

:)

Werd.

I know who I am.

I'm muthafukkin' wud-id-IZ!


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

wudidiz  posted on  2008-04-14   12:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Red Jones (#43)

If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.

Amen.

I'm ready to draw straws...we'd be lots better off.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-14   13:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I've been a registered Independent since 2002...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-14   13:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#49)

For me it was about '86 with the Tax increases and roll back of the Reagan Tax cuts

you were just a little bit ahead of me.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-14   13:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Mudboy Slim (#56)

I've been a registered Independent since 2002...MUD

Excellent. There's hope :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-14   13:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#48)

"...i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman."

No friggin' way BigJohn picks BigJoe...McCain will attempt to appease--and enthuse--the right wing of the GOP with his pick...MUD

BTW...my preference would be Haley Barbour.

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-14   13:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

Senator John Warner forced me to leave the GOP, whatta skank!!

Fortunately, he's retiring in 2009, but we might end up with another RAT Senator (Mark Warner)...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-04-14   13:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: iconoclast (#51)

Well many, if not most, Republicans have not had a problem with calling Democrats communists for many years ... it appears obvious to me that they aren't very close to calling Republicans the fascist plutocrats that they have morphed into.

I agree with both of your points. Many Ds are socialists, and many Rs are fascists. Those that are neither are uninformed clods, useless eaters if you will.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-14   13:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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