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Title: 4um poll. Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 10:55:39 by Jethro Tull
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I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
Poster Comment: I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
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No affliation, burned twice, not again. Despise party before country types of all stripes.
It doesn't explain me. I changed my registration two years ago from Republican to Independent, where it remains.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I usually consider myself a big-L Libertarian, though I end up voting for big party candidates. I'm really kind of a Goldwater conservative, though it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for the average Republican candidate anymore. I'm votin' Obama in 2008.
Who did you vote for in '04?
Nader. For the same antiwar reasons that I voted for Buchanan in 2000.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Thanks. I have L leanings, but parts of the party platform stuck in my throat. Harry Browne could never get far enough past the open border, free trade issues to satisfy me.
reformed R. i would have pressed the R lever for Ron Paul only.
He's running again as a Green.
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer. Texan, yes - amerikan, no.
Yes, he is, but both Barr and Obama are antiwar enough for me, so far. Which gets my vote depends on further developments.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. My last vote was Constitution Party. I've explained to everyone that my interest in Obama is about minimizing the damage. McCain is a 100% NeoCon who will destroy what remains of our liberties and our nation. And, labels are now meaningless, IMO. Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Me too, and I'll never understand why he remains in that party. The House re- election reason isn't enough for me. His name recognition is sufficient enough to offset the party, besides he's 72. It was now or never for RP.
Ditto.
I thought this way for a while, but I've returned to my belief that there is a political left and right. They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.
I am an awakened and enraged former R, and my tagline says it all.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Modern conservatism is the wealthiest and most elite 2% manipulating small town America with a billion dollar propaganda engine. Using buzz words such as "pro-life", "gay marriage", "Islamofascism" and "commies" gets small town America riled up into an easily manipulated state. The goal is to manipulate this large group into voting tax cuts for the plutocratic two percent, and not to actually act on such things as abortion or gay marriage - which the 2% actually like having as an option. Hence, all the talk - for decades - and no action at all.
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Been a libertarian since before the formation of the party. I don't think the label necessarily means much--the D or R label that is--because in my experience it is just two factions of the same gang pretending to fight over figurehead positions, at least at the top of the ticket. I like Ron Paul and have supported him for years, voted for him when he ran under the Libertarian banner back in '88. But I don't have a lot of use for most of them because most of them have sold out their own children and grandchildren.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. And a number of the posters here are involved in that manipulation. Whether as manipulators or as manipulated, we shall see.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I am not familiar with Barr's stance, but frankly R's basic objection to the war was that it was not initiated by Congress. A good Constitutional stance but not strong enough for me, actually. I much prefer Obama's plain-spoken "dumb". I have no fear whatsoever that he would initiate another illegal pre-emptive war. If he is not nominated I will probably write in the 1st (and only one worth a damn) Bob Taft.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Me too. Voting is a farce, an exercise in futility. I dont appreciate being forced to choose between 2 or more maggot infested traitorous shit-for-brains.
------They may look intimidating, that's by design; but they aren't bulletproof. -------
I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Opinions don't have to be a conspiracy theory just because you disagree with them.
Ditto
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Not that the left is w/o buzz words. Here's a small sample; Share, biosphere, gender norming, fair share, racial inequity, diversity, tolerance.
As a Paleocon/Paleolibertarian I do not fit into either of the two horns of the Hegelian Parties and that suits me fine. I spit upon the hierarchy of both of the major 1 1/2 Parties - the fraud of what I call the Republicrats. Both of the so-called "Parties" are controlled at the top by the same Banking interests who have subverted and perverted our Republic. I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Not yet, but we do have people who are going to vote for a died in the wool D, which is just as bat shit crazy :)
I agree there is a slight difference too. However, perhaps what really matters is the degree of goodness and decency in the leader(s) of a country, less than the form of govt. Which is not to say, I would welcome a benevolent dictator.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
that's all they are, used like cattle prods
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Texan, yes - amerikan, no. For TEXAS and Miss Lilly! Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Sad, but oh so true.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Ecotopia is the title of a book by Earnest Callenbach. Not many support the succession to form a laid back Red China as happens in that particular novel. You actually live in U.S. occupied Cascadia. ;-)
My fear is that we will have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain. I will cast my vote wherever I think it will be most effective in stopping this. Going by the record of the past 7.5 years, I would prefer to take a chance with either Democratic candidate than to continue on our present course - which is what McCain has promised us. Given what McCain has promised, voting for McCain ratifies the Bush policies and McCain would come to power with what he believes is a genuine mandate to continue them. All in all, a very dangerous situation. I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up. We're in for a crash. They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon. McCain is old and sick and he'll be gone soon, so he can absorb the blame and then die. Fox News and the rest of the goob foolers have already assured the people in Wichita and hick Pennsylvania that McCain isn't a real conservative and he isn't one of them, so the failure can be easily disowned when it comes. The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.
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"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Who me? Naw, dectectorator.
True, but a lot of Texans are becoming aware of the problem and so he has been, to some small degree, slowed down and held in check. Now all you need is Roy Bean and a rope. :-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Mud says I'm a lefty, but he's not entirely correct all the time so... who knows. yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP', Whatever the f__k that means. I haven't voted since Mulroney was supposedly elected the second time. F__k I hate that guy.
Naw - I just thought it fit the situation since we are fighting a very toxic enema.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Being merely a pinheaded dick, he's just expressing his jealousy here.
yukturd just doesn't like anyone who does not support his "talking points" that he is given. Nothing personal - just business.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I agree 100% with you. I'm a registered Republican. I used to be a very loyal republican who shilled for them among the citizenry and even worked for some in campaigns, gave money, etc. I began to doubt the Republicans in 1989 when I was reading in the Wall Street Journal about things that George HW Bush was actually doing as president. He was pursuing big-government, etc. that he had railed against in the campaign. You have to question liars. Finally in 2001 when I saw GW Bush double spending on the department of education and go for new laws enhancing federal government stranglehold on schools that I finally turned against the republicans. But the demos are no good either. They work for the same people who rule us as the Repubs do. If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Roger that.
That updated zoot suit might make you a Pachuco, but not a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP.' ;-)
Most of that 2% haven't a clue as to what is really occurring. They are just stolid, materialistic, and afraid of losing their toy collection and the false respect that money brings. Only about the upper one tenth of 1 percent, or less, really have any clear idea of the game being played. If the Globalist/Bankster plans come to fruition most of that 2% will be "liquidated" as a threat to "their betters". Some might be allowed to live as overseers and such but the true elite want no threat, real or perceived, to their megalomaniacal intentions.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Has a nice ring to it.
mcCain's choice should be interesting. i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman. that could very well be the plan of the PTB.
For me it was about '86 with the Tax increases and roll back of the Reagan Tax cuts (as an aside I figured out about that time that Reagan was suffering from the onset of Alzheimer's - when Nancy had to prompt him as to what to say to reporters when disembarking Marine One) that inspired a boom in the economy. It was clear to me that the boom was upsetting the elites as a lot of people were making hay and rapidly amassing fortunes which made them players. Real Charities, not just the phony Red Cross, were getting massive infusions of Philanthropic cash - which gave the ability to counter eugenics kill-offs of "useless eaters". The Global elite, Rothschilds-Rockefuckers et. al., did not want anyone to rise to a position which could allow a well intended wealthy individual to begin opposing their plans - which have been in place since at least the early 1800's if not before. Agreed without reservation.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'd be awfully concerned if he only had nice things to say about me.
Well many, if not most, Republicans have not had a problem with calling Democrats communists for many years ... it appears obvious to me that they aren't very close to calling Republicans the fascist plutocrats that they have morphed into.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
I'd be awfully concerned if he only had nice things to say about me. That would be a definite cause for concern. ;-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Only about the upper one tenth of 1 percent, or less, really have any clear idea of the game being played. If the Globalist/Bankster plans come to fruition most of that 2% will be "liquidated" as a threat to "their betters". Some might be allowed to live as overseers and such but the true elite want no threat, real or perceived, to their megalomaniacal intentions. Agreed.
:) Werd. I know who I am. I'm muthafukkin' wud-id-IZ!
Amen. I'm ready to draw straws...we'd be lots better off.
I've been a registered Independent since 2002...MUD
you were just a little bit ahead of me.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Excellent. There's hope :)
No friggin' way BigJohn picks BigJoe...McCain will attempt to appease--and enthuse--the right wing of the GOP with his pick...MUD BTW...my preference would be Haley Barbour.
Senator John Warner forced me to leave the GOP, whatta skank!! Fortunately, he's retiring in 2009, but we might end up with another RAT Senator (Mark Warner)...MUD
I agree with both of your points. Many Ds are socialists, and many Rs are fascists. Those that are neither are uninformed clods, useless eaters if you will.
You support folks who support Big Guv'ment, imho...MUD
Forgot to ping you there, brother.
Those are some very insightful comments.
No friggin' way BigJohn picks BigJoe...McCain will attempt to appease--and enthuse--the right wing of the GOP with his pick...MUD BTW...my preference would be Haley Barbour. I think Mike Tyson would be more of a soul match for McInsane - or Jeffrey Dahmer or "The Joker".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I support folks who are honest, reasonable and sensible. I don't support gangsters. Hey wait a minute... I am a gangster! Just kidding. But thanks for your 'humble' opinion anyway. ;)
I think the party will play a stronger role in that selection than is typical in most conventions. And, if they don't, or if a choice such as Sanford of S.C., or Crist of FL. is not made (someone outside the beltway) then they've completely lost their way. Rice would add nothing to the ticket, IMO, regardless of who gets the D presidential nomination. I remain convinced that an Obama-Webb ticket would be a huge winner.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Have you seen "American Gangster"? I saw it yesterday...great flick...MUD
Not yet. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Thank you. Oh, you weren't talking to me...nevermind.
It's not a short movie, but the investment in time is worth it. Denzel plays the role great...MUD
I agree with every word of your post. I wish I didn't agree with the last sentence but, alas, I do
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Sprinkle in some Cap'n Qweeg, Dr. Death, and the Crypt Keeper too.
Here's my bitch. I think our foreign policy is many pay grades above the office of the presidency. One (s)elected man/woman isn't going to defund the MIC while it's in full earning potential. We're talking about trillions and trillions of dollars in profit and countless corporations and jobs depend on war as their Mother’s milk. That richest 2% of people and governments you speak of will *never* tolerate a penny less in profit, and this reality was the sole reason I never gave RP a snowball‘s chance in hell despite having all the issues “right“. OTOH, on the domestic front, the political left irks me b/c the social programs they love so much costs me money. I'm like a lot of other folks, I simply can't afford to give even more to a central government for redistribution. I also want the political left to get their laws off my guns. Obama is capable of further damage to my bottom line, and he’s despicable on the 2nd amendment. How a man who proposes that self defense in one’s home is illegal, can be accepted by so many, sucks. So, to sum up my political feeling, McCain is correct; we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years. Neither Obama nor Clinton will have the power or authority to change that, should they be (s)elected. The points that matter to me most make Obama the worst choice between the three.
Yep...Barry's far too naive...seriously, what responsibility has the dude EVER had?!
And THAT is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me gramma.
American Gangster - Trailer Now I remember this was reccommended to me before.
"My fear is that we will have four more years of Bush in the form of McCain. I will cast my vote wherever I think it will be most effective in stopping this." LOL...a dyed-in-the-wool RAT...surprise!! Surprise!! "Going by the record of the past 7.5 years, I would prefer to take a chance with either Democratic candidate than to continue on our present course - which is what McCain has promised us. Given what McCain has promised, voting for McCain ratifies the Bush policies and McCain would come to power with what he believes is a genuine mandate to continue them. All in all, a very dangerous situation." LOL...so, EMPOWER the RATS!! Bwahahahahahaha... "I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up. We're in for a crash. They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon. McCain is old and sick and he'll be gone soon, so he can absorb the blame and then die. Fox News and the rest of the goob foolers have already assured the people in Wichita and hick Pennsylvania that McCain isn't a real conservative and he isn't one of them, so the failure can be easily disowned when it comes. The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy." Tee hee hee...oh, you were serious? LOL...this place could get interesting...MUD
I'm a registered independant who has voted Libertarian since 1988. The last Republican I voted for was Reagan in 84. I've never voted for a Democrat.
One of my favorite movies “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation” ~ Herbert Spencer
Idiotic wishful thinking of a Leftist RAT, imho...MUD
Nor have I...nor will I...MUD
So, to sum up my political feeling, McCain is correct; we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years. Neither Obama nor Clinton will have the power or authority to change that, should they be (s)elected. The points that matter to me most make Obama the worst of choice between the three. very well said. that 2nd amendment position that obama holds is appalling, imo. i'm changing my mind about wanting him to have the op to fulfill his promises for change, on that one issue. no matter what, we cannot as a populace be disarmed. that is still the only thing that the tyrants fear.
imo, shrill would be able to affect the least damage to whatever's left of our country.
Amen.
There's actually no realistic scenario wherein the Hildabeast can become POTUS in January 2009...MUD
Wouldn't it be kewel if BigJohn got a face tattoo, too?
True, but what they fear even more is an alerted armed populace. We need both, and we need to keep cool heads and keep pushing - alerting and waking people up to the true, and real, danger they are in. Too many people do not want to look e.g., I have a good friend, who owned a very successful machine tool business, who will not look at or believe how many innocent people have been murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan - because it disagrees with the world view implanted by the lamestream media. He thinks McInsane is a good choice because he will continue the "Waronterra" as he has accepted the false rationale sold for it. He is not a stupid man, but he is "afraid to look" at the reality because it is too awful for him to confront.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Wouldn't it be kewel if BigJohn got a face tattoo, too? I'm thinking a "Darth Maul" tatoo would be appropriate.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
People who deny reality are insane.
God is always good!
I would say irrational not strictly insane - but it is not survival behavior. Insane, is like a Booosh, seeing a reality that is not there.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I would like people to see how both parties are implementing the manifesto, but let's face it.. obama's voting record is farther left than the rest. I don't know if it's worth the effort to post and debate or just post and let people read. Obama was endorsed by Kerry, who was endorsed by the Commie party. Castro came out for Obama. Communism tears down our society as we continue to fund theirs. There was a bill in CA a week ago or so to ban the outlawing of the Commie party. I just want to reiterate, I'm for ALL OF US, not some of us. I want our country to survive.. I realize the odds have passed, but for Gods sake, I'd like to see a few more clear thinking intelligent people understand this pissy two party game is one to DESTROY US ALL. The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals From Greg Swank 12-4-2 You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. http://www.rense.com Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 . Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen] 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms." 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old- fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet. It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point. Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library. Sources are listed below. Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5 Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1- A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12 By Greg Swank 12-4-2 Over the years, I have shared in debates and discussions regarding the current state of affairs in the U.S., and the changing social climate of this great nation. Since the "baby-boomer" generation, society and its culture have become noticeably different than the way it was 50 years ago. From the late 50's to the 70's a series of events took place contributing to the way we are currently living. However, like anything else, there has to be a starting point at which the wheels are put into motion. Sometimes it can be a single event, such as war, but more often, it is a series of events, some intentional, some planned, others unpredictable. There is always a pivotal point when things begin to change. I believe that time was 1963. For my generation, some of the following will certainly stir old memories. If you born later, this may serve as a brief history lesson into the times your parents traveled through. By 1963 television was the leading sources of entertainment. The public enjoyed a different type of programming back then. Lessons on life could be viewed weekly on "Leave it to Beaver" or "My Three Sons." There were hero's back then that never drew blood, "The Lone Ranger" and "The Adventures of Superman." Cartoon series evolved, such as, "The Flintstones" and "The Jetsons" without messages of empowering the children, using vulgarities or demeaning parental guidance. Family's could spend a weekend evening watching "Ed Sullivan," "Bonanza" or "Gunsmoke." For those who enjoyed thrill and suspense, we were blessed with "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" and the "Twilight Zone." 'My Favorite Martian," "Ozzie and Harriet," "Donna Reed" and "Sea Hunt" also kept viewers entertained weekly. Movie theaters were not multiplex units with 15 screens, rather, one single, giant big screen with adequate sound and hard seats without springs. "Tom Jones" had won the Academy award for best picture. "How The West Was Won," "Cleopatra," "Lily of the Fields," "The Great Escape," "The Birds," and "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" were all box office hits. By years end, "The Beatles" had played for the British Royal Family and were laying the groundwork to conquer the U.S. the following year. Eric Clapton began his journey to fame with Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Jim McCarty and their band, "The Yardbirds." Out on the west coast the surf was beginning to rock'n'roll with "The Beach Boys" and their first song to reach the top ten list, "Surfin' U.S.A." "Joys of Jell-O" recipes for quivering florescent foodstuff hit the stores. U.S. Postal rates went up to five cents for the first ounce. AT&T introduced touch-tone telephones. The Yankees played in the World Series again; but lost to the Dodgers in four straight. The government and NASA began the Apollo program. This is just a brief snapshot of some things that were going on back in 1963. Remember? While some of these events played an important role in the direction of change that affect us today, many of them were lost to much greater, more political events, that I believe put everything into motion. On January 10, 1963, the House of Representative and later the Senate began reviewing a document entitled "Communist Goals for Taking Over America." It contained an agenda of 45 separate issues that, in hindsight was quite shocking back then and equally shocking today. Here, in part, are some key points listed in that document. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. You can see the entire list on this web page - http://www.truthtrek.net/politics/takeover.htm Now, I am not saying that the U.S. is under some kind of Communist control, but what I do find frightening, is of the 45 issues listed, nearly all of them have come to pass. Remember this was in January 1963. In 1963 the news media showed women burning their bras as the women's liberation movement took off with the publishing of "The Feminine Mystique" by Betty Friedan. Martin Luther King was jailed in April and civil unrest was being brought to the forefront. On August 28th the media brought us live coverage of the march on Washington and Dr. Kings famous "I had a dream" speech. The Cuban missile crisis found its way in to our homes and our nation was gearing up for conflict. By September of 1963 we had lost some very influential people, Pope John XXIII, Robert Frost, and country legend Patsy Cline, to name a few. In the early hours of November 22nd we learned of the quiet passing of C.S. Lewis and hours later we were brought to our knees when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated and our nation mourned. So you see, while long since forgotten, 1963 could very well have been, one of the most important years since our founding fathers provided us with the Constitution of the United States. Which brings me to one final and extremely important decision that was made during this most provocative year. On June 17, 1963 the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that any Bible reciting or prayer, in public schools, was deemed unconstitutional. While American's have endured great prosperity over the past 40 years we have also lost our moral compass and direction. In reviewing the research, data supports 1963 as a focal point, demonstrating a downward slope in our moral and social decline through 2001. Certainly, one would have to agree that all of these events have had a profound impact on the way our current social structure has been changed. Personally, if I had to choose one specific event that has demonstrated the demoralization of our country, it would have to be the decision of the U.S Supreme Court in June of 1963. But there is always "hope." As always, I welcome your comments and can easily be reached. Thanks for the response to "Daddy, What's Fluoride?" My email is: greg@truthtrek.net Comment From Founders' America foundersamerica@hotmail.com 12-7-2 Jeff...adding a couple of my own numbers: __ 46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America. __ 47. Feminize and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males. Founders' America P.O. Box 71024 Richmond, Va 23255
Obama was signalling that in his statement the other day. While almost at the same time, Mayor Nutter was moving that effort forward. He's getting pushback, but there is no mistaking Obama's position on gun control. People should look up his votes on this, his comments about it... and I have suggested that Hillary and McCain are no better, so look up their positions too.
I’ve always considered myself a Real ”Old Guard” Republican or Eisenhower Republican, the party that had no use for Jews or Israel. How times have changed!
Novak: Obama's Second- Amendment Dance. Sounds like a nuanced position to me.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation's capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position. Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance. That is a dance that many Democrats do, as revealed in private conversation with party strategists. As urban liberals, they reject constitutional protection for gun owners. As campaign managers, they want to avoid the fate of the many Democratic candidates who have lost elections because of gun control advocacy. The party's House leadership last year pulled from the floor a bill for a congressional seat for the District to protect Democratic members from having to vote on a Republican amendment against the D.C. gun law. Hillary Clinton has extolled the Second Amendment, though not to the degree Obama has. Campaigning at Iowa's Cornell College on Dec. 5, he asserted that the Second Amendment "is an individual right and not just a right of the militia." He has repeated that formulation along the primary trail, declaring at a Milwaukee news conference before the Feb. 19 Wisconsin primary: "I believe the Second Amendment means something. . . . There is an individual right to bear arms." That would imply that the D.C. gun law is unconstitutional. Mayor Adrian Fenty's brief to the Supreme Court rests on the proposition that the Second Amendment "protects the possession and use of guns only in service of an organized militia." Consequently, I concluded in a March 13 column about the case that Obama had "weighed in against the D.C. law." On March 24, a reader wrote in an e-mail to The Post that "Obama supports the D.C. law" and demanded a correction. That was based on an Associated Press account of Obama's Milwaukee news conference asserting that "he voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns." In fact, all he said was: "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution." That leaves Obama unrevealed on the D.C. law. In response to my inquiry about his specific position, Obama's campaign e-mailed me a one-paragraph answer: Obama believes that while the "Second Amendment creates an individual right, . . . he also believes that the Constitution permits federal, state and local government to adopt reasonable and common sense gun safety measures." Though the paragraph is titled "Obama on the D.C. Court case," that specific gun ban is never mentioned. I tried again last week, without success, to learn Obama's position before writing this column. Obama's dance on gun rights is part of his evolution from the radical young Illinois state legislator he once was. He was recorded in a 1996 questionnaire as advocating a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns (a position he has since disavowed). He was on the board of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation, which takes an aggressive gun control position, and in 2000 considered becoming its full-time president. In 2006, he voted with an 84 to 16 majority (and against Clinton) to prohibit confiscation of firearms during an emergency, but that is his only pro-gun vote in Springfield or Washington. The National Rifle Association grades his voting record (and Clinton's) an "F." There is no anti-gun litmus test for Democrats. In 2006, Ted Strickland was elected governor of Ohio and Bob Casey U.S. senator from Pennsylvania with NRA grades of "A." Following their model, Obama talks about the rights of "Americans to protect their families." He has not yet stated whether that right should exist in Washington.
Ditto.
Well, I suspect he doesn't care enough about the issue to expend political capital on it. In any case, someone with his views on the issue is not likely to change the status quo much on it. Any more than the Bush Justice Department (which takes precisely the position Novak ascribes to Obama) has. I don't like that D.C. law myself (and, as someone who works in D.C., it matters to me). But I can live with it. I'm much more concerned about ending the war in Iraq and the Bush regime's violations of civil liberties. And so, I take it, is Obama.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
In any case, someone with his views on the issue is not likely to change the status quo much on it. Any more than the Bush Justice Department (which takes precisely the position Novak ascribes to Obama) has. I don't like that D.C. law myself (and, as someone who works in D.C., it matters to me). But I can live with it. I'm much more concerned about ending the war in Iraq and the Bush regime's violations of civil liberties. And so, I take it, is Obama. We are at the point where all domestic issues are passed over to focus on the WOT. We are bankrupt in part as a result. I don't believe we will affect the plans that will move forward in the ME, by a nit (could be wrong, but that's how I feel). But we must focus on the domestic raping, pillaging as well as the self inflicted deaths by many cuts. Not one in DC cares if we survive this or not. Our existence is an obstacle, and they keep coming up with plans to help us kill each other off, slap a label on it, and rally the dumasses to pick a side. How about 'us' being on the same side? Too much to ask? 20% will get 80% of us 86'd.
gtg, back later.
Doesn't care enough about it to expend political capital... He cares more about his political capital then to reveal his position is more like it. That's why the big brouhahah over his comments at the no press political capital fundraiser. He's a hypocrite.
Idiotic post of an American hating tool who is too stupid to do anything but post Conservative style hate and Hannity talking points. Mud, why do you think everyone laughs up their cuff at you? Is it because of your laser like insight or because you come off like a mind controlled moron - like you just did above?
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Hey Mud, in 2004, right before the 2004 election, right before the Party fooled your moronic ass into voting for Bush the SECOND time, you told us that Bush would get the deficit cleaned up right after the election. So how's he doing? Were you correct or did the Republican establishment make an idiot out of you in public again?
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The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed. To date, the liberties and rights we've lost has been on a voluntary basis. Given Obama's position on the 2nd, we'll no longer have that option. It's been said America can come back from a socialist government, but can we come back from a government who has disarmed us? Now, put on your best Bronx accent and please give us a yes or no to that question.
We need a time machine.
The Bush Justice Department has taken precisely the same position on the D.C. gun law that Novak says Obama has taken on the Second Amendment. I don't think we can come back from a government that has successfully disarmed us. But I see no reason to believe that a President Obama will do that any more than Bush or preceding presidents, including Democratic ones, have done. Democrats learned from electoral losses in the 1990's to be gun-shy on Second Amendment issues. So I see the Second Amendment as very much a secondary issue. I'm more concerned about the civil liberties that the Bush regime has taken from us and about the wars of aggression that it has launched.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Ari... It is painful day after day to read that you actually believe there is a two party system in this country. Perhaps if you were to unchain your mind from the delusion fed to you for so many years, you might be able to change perspective.
I'm with you, although I did vote for Ron Paul in the latest republican primary. I voted constitution party in 04 (Peroutka/Baldwin). I may vote for Don Grundmann for president in 08, (www.truthusa.org) if he gets the Constituion Party nomination. if not, i probably wont vote. the Constituion Party has been pushing neocon candidates such as Jerome Corsi (admitted former israeli govt employee) and Alan 'bring back the draft' keyes. Shame. I'm still a registered republican and never changed my R registration. when i talk to people about 911 being an inside job i state that I'm a Catholic republican, but that it's not about D v R or any such nonsense, its about the truth and that the new world order is run by evil devil worshipers, including the bushes, who are nothing but satanic puppets. If Catholics in particular want to argue i ask them why they still support the war despire the fact their own Pope, including the previous Pope, have been steadfast against the undeclared Iraq 'war' and called it a 'DEFEAT FOR HUMANITY'. The war does not meet the criteria for the just war doctrine , which is outlined in the official Catholic catechism. So I ask them, who exactly do you worship, Jesus Christ or the state? 'You reject the church's position and have chosen to worship the state.'. I also tell them to educate themselves on the church's numerous encyclicals on freemasonry ("THEIR GOD IS THE DEVIL'), that is what the church teaches. So why are they pawns for skull & bones freemasonic satanists? and also, george bush senior attacks on the Pope while he was in congres, and his demand for global population control. RUBBERS GOES TO CONGRESS www.tarpley.net/bush10.htm THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF GEORGE H W BUSH - BY WEBSTER TARPLEY MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist." MCCAIN: 'HILLARY CAN STILL PULL IT OFF'; **Exclusive**
I have come to believe that labels like "Conservative" or "Liberal" and party identification like "Republican" or "Democrat" are purposely divisive and contribute directly to the deterioration of our society. The party and idealogical elites want to see a divided population.........we're so much easier to control when we're all pissed at one another. Just read some of the posts here and on other sites; you'll see a one or two post exchange before the name calling and the condescension begins. This sort of culture has led us to the sorry state in which we reside.
Resist!
Insert just a couple of trolls into a forum, and you can stir up all sorts of dissension. I think Zionists would have a real interest in doing that to a forum like this one.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I haven't counted the number of "us" on this thread, but I'm pleasantly surprised. Their two party scam and (s)elections have become a transparent bread and circus. To vote for anyone but the most qualified candidate, despite their chances of victory, is to sell out to the system, IMO.
I agree about the illusion of party labels. Can anyone look at the McCain and Hillary pic/story above and think there isn't one National Party with two wings?
Have you ever watched a round of layoffs in a major corporation? The company picks off the people one by one and the ones remaining hide under their desks and try to stay invisible - or they nark out other people trying to buy favor until the ax falls on them. The company breaks age discrimination laws and every other employment law in the book as they know no insider will testify against them. And the people they've already screwed over don't make good witnesses. Eventually, even the most craven boot licker gets screwed in the ass and the department is cleaned out. After seeing this bunch perform in corporate world time and time again, I just don't see them spontaneously rising up into a bloody gun fight with the government. And I know an easy way to stop a confrontation of this sort if it ever happens, have AM Radio announce that anyone photographed at the confrontation will lose their job. And it will be easy to get informants to simply pick up the agitators and few willing to fight. Look at Mudboy, he's dumb and loyal to the government no matter what the government does. All the government has to do is tell him everyone on earth is a lib except for him and he would be a willing tool for the fascists. That's how the Nazis controlled France, one or two informants per village and it was over for the resistance. And suppose a miracle happened and people did rise up. How would a fat Texan with a shotgun fare against a modern army? Look to Mogudishu for an example. 2000 killed for 19 government casualties. And here the civilians were better armed than Americans, full auto AK-47s, RPGs and grenades. And the soldiers were only trying to leave - not to inflict major damage. My point is that I don't think the elites are very worried about people having guns - save for the crime angle. They certainly arn't worried about armed resistance. It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married.
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Can anyone look at the McCain and Hillary pic/story above and think there isn't one National Party with two wings? Well put, my friend. And maddeningly accurate.
Resist!
So your argument is since we're not going to use them, we might as well ignore the laws they cook up for us? I've said it before publicly and I'll say it again; I'll shoot any government agent who comes for my guns. If I'm the only one, so be it. It won't matter much to me given where I'll be spending eternity after the event. And how does this argument explains Mr. O's willingness to make it a crime for a person to defend his/her home? His advancement of that legislation is enough to eliminate him from serious discussion.
. Thats "Hick" to you sir.
While I won't discount the truth of your statement, I think there are also regular folks who just aren't intelligent enough to think beyond their self-identification, and are too insecure to consider anyone with a different viewpoint anything but a threat. I'm certain that there are "plants" in public forums, but I'm also certain that on many forums the "trolls" are actually the owners, managers, and mods. (certainly not true of this 4um, Christine is NOT part of the problem)
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Back in your hidey hole, rube.
Ah ha, company man, huh????
Know what? When the slicks make war, they always think of us first and give first class tickets to the fight, so that means they kinda like us, huh?
The real problem is see with the focus on guns is that they provide a false sense of security to powerless, dumb people. I saw this recently with a kid who had signed an employment contract that gave the corporation a right to screw him over for the rest of his natural life - on a whim. If a manager didn't like him, the contract gave the manager a right to disrupt the kids employment at other companies for ten years. When I tried to explain this to the kid, he got mad and took the position that nobody could do that to him. When I pointed out that the company had a perfect right to do it and that they had screwed people this way before, the kid he had guns and would take to the street before that happened to him. I knew this was the end of the story. I also knew the kid would just get screwed like the kid before him and the kid before that. And the kid, with a new baby and a mortgage, would never take to the street. The point here is that the kid pounded his chest and ranted about his gun instead of going in and getting the contract amended. Which he could have done and which would have served him much better. I've seen the same thing happen when the government takes away people's constitutional rights. Instead of doing something effective to stop the process, the powerless dumb people pound their chests, rant about their guns and then go back to watching the game on TV. As I said before, the elites don't care if these people have guns. It placates these people and the guns pose no real threat to the elites.
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They even give us big guns to shoot strangers with (just don't shoot a burglar when you return. Obama the Magnificent takes exception).
Golly thats what they did to us in 1950, first class airfare to Korea, gave us beeg guns and said, "do your DUTY, kill those gooks". I did wonder what was MY duty...
They sure placate me as they've saved my life. Hell, I've even seen where some dumb rube protected his family with a gun. So, again, why would an elite such as Obama press forward anti gun legislation if the damn things work so well and pose no threat to the established order?
No, see my second post on this. Guns have value against criminals and rioters, or against other civilians if there is some sort of breakdown in society. So I'm not anti-gun and I see a value in them. I own a great many myself. What I am saying is that the elites don't fear an armed population. At least not with the arms the population is now allowed to legally own. So government elites fearing an insurrection isn't one of the real drivers behind the gun control issue. They don't care if a 375 lb guy in Dallas owns a shotgun. He can't really hurt them with it and they could very easily get it away from him if it ever became a danger to them.
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Jethro... Hint, hint, all those suits with sun glasses around Obummer have got BEEEEGGG guns in their pockets. Now, why is that??? Is Obummers hide worth more than mine or my family?????
God, fifty years ago, and we're still there at our battle stations. Toss in Germany, Japan and Italy also. In fact, I think our military is in more than 120 nations. And Obama claims he'll remove the kids from Iraq? The boy's still on crack.
It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married. At least in hick PA people can escape from the city. I wanted to post what polak at lf writes about the Poles and how they handled the informers, like the one who ratted out polak's grandmother who was killed by the Germans for harboring someone. He said the townspeople burned down the house with the informant and his whole family inside. Informant problem solved. I think this approach is highly effective.
I have friends that are buried there, some God forsaken place, in North Korea, MIA, written off by our elite government. I did not know where the damned place was. But not to worry, I was soon exposed to Korea and China and Russia. Our country had plans to blow them all to hell and gone and I was invited to the first fight. I felt so honored.
Short story.. Many years ago was in Annapolis on legal matters. Met and chatted with elderly gentleman that was head of a prestigious law firm there. During our conversation, he mentioned he owned a cabin near me back here in the hills and said he visited it once or twice a year, maybe for a little fishing. I asked if that was his main purpose of ownership and his answer required no explanation. He said, "We keep it...just in case".
Jeez, call me paranoid, but throughout history rogue governments have confiscated private guns. England and Australia come to mind most recently. I speak for myself afa what I'll do should that happen here. I agree with your above statement, and if given his druthers, Obama would make anyone who uses them against a criminal, a criminal. That won't sell with the legions of unkempt, toothless, low IQ'ers out here. Obama: the more you learn about him, the more ill you become.
Evidence please...MUD
I've never figgered that one out either...MUD BTW...what's a cuff? And how do you laugh up it?
You talkin bout us rube cuzins agin?
One time I was on Saipan with my National Guard SF unit driving about in duce and a halves looking at infiltration and exfiltration points. We stopped at suicide cliffs and the last command post of the Japanese which is a ruptured rock and concrete entity adjacent to the Buddhist memorials at the base of this cliff where so many took their lives when we retook that island. We were leaving and several bus loads of Japanese arrived and besieged us. Our Co let us dismount our vehicles to be props to the delight of this hoard of people who run in herds by nature and always own the finest in audio visual equipment. It was an strange feeling if you knew of the full history of the fight and spilled blood that had been all around where we were just a few short decades before. One interesting thing about it was that the Chimorros selling fruit and libations there had given us refreshments on the house, and when the Japanese showed up, the high prices were back in force. I wonder if we are still well liked there as this was in the eighties, and the sour attitude toward us in Guam might have filtered up into the rest of the Marianna Islands by now.
Agreed, but .......... Nothing short of selling guns at the White House gift shop will assuage the gun nuts.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Thats when you are trying to pick the cuff with a bend paper clip in your mouth while your the guy cuffed next to you is making you laugh at blond jokes while you are trying to work. Most people know and appreciates that in a situation where people are tense anyway and disposed to nervous laughter, never make them laugh on their cuffs. Do we always have to explain such basic things to you, or do you just have a brain cramp this morning? ;-)
Yes Virgil, I'm talking about you. Now pardon me while I fondle my new picture of Rexella, from the Jack Van Impe ministries.
I wonder if we are still well liked there as this was in the eighties, and the sour attitude toward us in Guam might have filtered up into the rest of the Marianna Islands by now. At opening shot of the Pacific war, Japan held the Northern Marianas Islands. They invaded Guam with 5000 soldiers with full equipment. On Guam the US had 128 Marines, one machine gun, rifles for all and a few .45 cal for the few. Having "visited" Guam a few times during the Korean war, the Japanese were not well liked from war memories. If you have time, use google and take a look at what is going on there now, preparations are being made for much larger affairs than Iraq. If you take the time, study it well with a large world map in view, you will see what is afoot.
Ico; DC is a gun-free zone. For ten points, and control of the clock, guess the color and political affiliation of the legislators from the District who thought that was a swell idea?
Just looked at their website. Scary place.
God forbid the economy gets as bad I think it's going to. If you live in the suburbs of any city of any size, you may see the day when when local guns laws may not seem such a horrible idea. At any rate, it's an SC issue. Cool your jets. I've learned that single issue voting can bite you in the ass.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Good thinking, but I wonder what his honest answer would've been.
Until the "government" requested my services, I had never fired a gun, never owned one, still do not own one. The "government" not only gave me a gun but said I should kill people with it. Little hypocrisy there someplace.
I've never figgered that one out either...MUD I didn't expect you to figure it out, and Hannity doesn't want you to know so he'll just fill your head up with shit - like he always does - if you ask him. So let me help you here. The reason everyone laughs up their cuff at you is because you have a long history of being a moron and always being wrong in your political views. If you don't believe me, just go back and read your Bush worshiping posts from the 2003 - 2004 time frame on LP and FU. The ones where you tell us how Bush will get on top of the war in a few months and how Bush will fix the deficits rights after the 2004 elections. You swallowed the GOP talking points hook, line and sinker. Only ALS on LP was a bigger sucker, and a bigger fool, than you were. Let me give you a word of advice: Just because the government tells you its true doesn't make it true. And just because a government controlled mouthpiece like Fox News says its true doesn't make it true. Surprise! The government and the government controlled propaganda engines will shamelessly use simple people like yourself as tools - like your posts since at least 2000 prove. Now, go paint your face up like a ridiculous clown, stand on a street corner, take a picture of yourself and post it on the internet - or just post a link to the last one put up.
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Seriously, evidence please. Show me my "Bush-worshipping posts", why don't you? Weanie.
Tee hee heh...I'll bet you YOU think Keith Olbermann is all that and more, don't you, MORON?!!
Basic things to RATS ain't the same thing as basic things to REAL human beings...MUD
I think his "total" answer would have been, "In case we have to flee this area". In that vein, later I came across a governmental study that showed the county where I live, in case of "national emergency" would receive 100,000 inner city residents as displaced persons. Now mind you our total population is 50,000. Racism, bigotry goes out the window, survival comes to the forefront. Now the need for guns surfaces. Mind you at any one time, New York city has at a maximum of eleven days of food on hand for millions of people. Now stop the flow in an emergency and transplant them here?????????????
Ditto. Sounds like you two are just busting your buttons over that very "serious and thoughtful" voting claim. Sure makes voting easy doesn't it? Just like blacks voting for Democrats.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Well, I suspect he doesn't care enough about the issue to expend political capital on it. I'm starting to think this is Peppa's first rodeo. All politicians play to their base in the primaries.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
A point lost on some. Mind you at any one time, New York city has at a maximum of eleven days of food on hand for millions of people. Now stop the flow in an emergency and transplant them here????????????? You should immediately prepare a million Welcome Wagon basket./s :)
I have no use for dyed in the wool R's or D's, and never did. I can understand people here who want Obama to win because he's less likely to bring on nuclear armageddon. What I can't understand is the level of love and enthusiasm some people have for that PC empty suit.
You meant to say... " You should immediately prepare a million Welcome Wagon rounds./s?????????? I know cuzins here that have 20,000 rounds on hand.
They are the sheep ready for shearing every two years.
" You should immediately prepare a million Welcome Wagon rounds./s?????????? I know cuzins here that have 20,000 rounds on hand. I'll bet you do.
And all partisans swallow the bs. Not my first 'rodeo', but if that's what brought us here, then we should seriously consider canning the bull.
Show me a non-Bush worshiping post. One from at least six months ago. You can't do it and you - and everyone else here - knows it. This is why you have to act like a raving moron and toss out your silly insults like a nine year old. Now prove me right and call me a weenie again.
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We can't explain everything to you. There is only so much we can do with raw stupidity. Instead of asking dumb questions, why don't you tell us again how Bush was going to the the deficit straightened out by 2005. I got a good laugh the last time you made an ass out of yourself that way.
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If you pull your knuckles off the pavement people might mistake you for a human being.
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He IS Keith Olbermann, yuk, yuk, yuk. Peace with honor!
I'm certain that there are "plants" in public forums, but I'm also certain that on many forums the "trolls" are actually the owners, managers, and mods. i agree with you. we also have to consider our different temperaments and that almost all of us have particular hot button issues, that when pressed, can send us into orbit. but! so many times i've seen folks fight tooth and nail on one thread topic then be on another and they're allied!
Gentlemen, this is sounding quite a bit like some other forums. I read and respect both of you but both of you are better than this.
Oh, please...the Democrat Party platform is 'pro-choice', and I'm not...simple as that. Republicans aren't 'pro-life, either...no vote for them, as well.
Guess the color of the last child that was shot on her own front porch by a gang banger?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
So you were the other one... :-)
What I can't understand is the thinking of people that refuse to acknowledge that Obama is head and shoulders above those suits full of shit that snickered and sneered at Ron Paul during the sham debates. The Zionists despise him along with the La Raza gang but the beat of blind hatred here just goes on and on.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
RP made it clear that the abortion issue will never be settled at the Federal level and that the proper route to amelioration is at the state level. But, obviously you slept through that chapter as you plan to do with the November election. Looked at the numbers for children killed or left orphaned in Iraq lately? Oops, silly me ... those are the "bad" children not our "good" children.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
"The anti-immigrant law passed by Mayor Barletta was unconstitutional and unworkable--and it underscores the need for comprehensive immigration reform so local communities do not continue to take matters into their own hands." Presidential candidate Senator Baraek Obama wasted no time in issuing his comment after the Hazelton decision. Only a few days earlier, he had spoken at the annual convention of La Raza held in Miami Beach.
That would be black, the same color of the absentee father and local Democrat politician who helps to perpetuate unarmed welfare ghettos where layers of liberal legislation are test marketed before national consumption.
__ 47. Feminize and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males. those two are the icing on the cake.
I agree...does this place have a "BOZO"-function? If so, "..." would qualify...MUD
Obummer is getting caught more and more for talking out both sides of his head. Also, Allen Keyes has chosen Hazleton as the place to make his announcement that he is leaving the "republican" wing of the elite party and going Constitution Party.
Figgers...MUD
Weenie...MUD
Mud... Yes there is a bozo function somewhere but I have never used it. I read anyone and everyone but I would hate to see this 4um go the way of so many others. I have been thrown out in an undignified manner from several forums, but I do try to be civil and polite.
As do I...MUD
I am the secret Benign-Dictator-for-Life, so of course I do not believe in the Republicans or Democrats.
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell -- you choose. -- YertleTurtle
Pot..kettle..black.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Ye of the 19" pulsating head, your comment is duly noted.
It makes up for my 13-inch biceps. But then, my neck is 19 inches. You should be the looks I get.
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell -- you choose. -- YertleTurtle
sorry, no compromise for me on the 2nd A. you can go through all the contortions you like trying to defend Obama on that one. there's no getting around his blatant disregard for its true meaning and that is our defense and protection against a tyrannical state.
Pot..kettle..black. Look on the thread moron. I only responded to your idiotic, childish insult. But I figured something as complex as this would be beyond you. But wanna know why you and your type are now known as the 23%? And why your party disowns you and runs McCain? It's because too many in the party behave in the same idiot manner that you did here - and people are on to you. And that's why FR ratings are in toilet. The GOP has used you as a tool and now they are done with you. They don't need hostile morons like yourself anymore. Your just a liability. Remember this if Hannity tells you to flap your arms and fly off the Empire State Building. It doesn't mean you can fly, it means you are no longer useful to the party and they want you dead.
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Sure makes voting easy doesn't it? Just like blacks voting for Democrats. Sounds like your jealous because you've spent your entire adult life being suckered by the two party fraud. Sucks to be you I guess. Now go back to sucking off your children and your priest scumbag.
"They" want ME dead? LOL...you Lefty RATS really are whacko, ain't ya? Kooky...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Then what's with the knuckle dragging insults - which you began - above? Honestly, behaving like the way you did above makes you come off as a Republican. And you don't want to be associated with that dishonest, little boy buggering crowd do you?
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What's that have to do with me? I haven't been welcome at FR for almost three years...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Spoken like a despicable RAT...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Have someone read the post to you ... moron. You obviously arn't able to read it yourself. But if you could think, and read coherently, you wouldn't have been so savagely used as a tool - now would you? Speaking of mindless tools, you never did tell us how Bush got the deficit cured back in 2005. Recall how you were spewing this on all the boards back in 2004? Now prove to us that the GOP didn't make an absolute ass out of you with their propaganda and tell us how Bush fixed the deficit.
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Tossing out one line insults like a Republican makes you sound like a Republican tool - or a mental nine year old. But the two are the same arn't they? And speaking of dumb Republican tools. The Party told you that Bush would have the deficit solved right after the election. And you were stupid enough to buy into it and you spewed it all over the boards. So tell us how Bush fixed the deficit back in 2005. You keep ignoring this question.
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You keep refusing to offer evidence that I said anything of the sort, pinhead.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Then it oughtta be easy for you to find, drool-bucket...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, My point is that you are incapable of critical thinking. A quick review of your posts on FU or LP shows nothing but GOP talking points - most of which have now been proven wrong. Your spew that Bush would have the deficits fixed right after the election is an example in point. Your spew over many years proves that you're a mindless tool. One only needs to call up your posts to see this. And the GOP is now tossing you away. It doesn't give a damn about the moronic base or it would have never have nominated McCain. It knows you guys are used up so it shit on your face and nominated someone who could be sold to real Americans - not idiotic fascists and goose stepping tools like yourself. The Party can fool you into doing anything it wants at any time. So why should it give a damn about you? Let me clue you in: The Party doesn't give a damn about you.
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Evidence please...where are all these tell-tale posts you reference?
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, If you can't defend yourself after you start with the childish insults, as you did above, that might be a good place for you to hide. And recall that you did start it - read the thread above if you doubt me. But you know that already. What you want to do is spew Hannity talking points that you're too stupid to defend. The best you can do is toss back a silly insult, like you did above. You might be better off to bozo most of the site. Most of the people here are not simple minded government tools such as yourself.
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Why would it? I'm not even a Republican, RAT!!
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, First tell me that you didn't shill for Bush. LOL!!
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BTW...Defeat the ObamaNation...it's toxic!!
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I supported Bush when he deserved to be supported, and I confronted him when he was wrong...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I'm sorry, you're just a simple minded tool that the Republican Party plays like a violin. (It's just that your use of idiotic, moronic, nine year old name calling ... like you just did above .... makes you sound like a freeper - and all freepers are Republicans.) By the way, are you glad that you voted for Bush TWICE? The GOP did a great job manipulating you on that one. Huh?
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You voted for Bush twice, TWO TIMES, even though all of FU gave you good reasons not to do it (use search function - October 2004). You however were too stoooooooopid to listen. And you were too stoooooopid because the GOP can make you do anything it wants at any time it wants. But don't feel bad. The GOP loves stooopid goober like yourself who buy the propaganda and who are incapable of critical thought. Someday Rush will give you a pat on the head.
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Dork! In less than five minutes I counted over a hundred posts where you shamelessly shilled for Bush. Seems like his promise to fix the economy is the smallest turd you gobbled down. Go over and use the search function (FU, October 2004). It's rich. LOL!!! Let me check LP now.
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Mud, as everyone over on FU has apparently noticed, you're a moron. And that makes me feel sorry for you. I'm going to give you a bit of advice for a successful life: Just because the government tells you that it's true doesn't mean that it really is true. And just because the government shills like Fox News tell you something is true doesn't mean it's true. You have to sift the fact for yourself, or in your case, find a smart person to sift the facts for you. If you follow this advice, I guarantee you that life won't be so confusing. And you won't have to hide behind silly, nine year old level freeper insults - like you do above.
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Stoopid is as stoopid does, RAT...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I am a republican division leader in El Paso county which allows me the privilege of attending boring nearly useless meetings multiple times a year where, usually, any thing meaningful is avoided like Godzilla with AIDS on viagra. If I were totally honest about my feelings they shoot me in the back of the head. I realize that by participating I am giving legitimacy to the system, which it does not deserve. And I do not like that part of participating. Republicans own this county. I am doing it for two reasons. One - I have business interests that can be hurt by legislation. I need for me and my colleges to get an early word as to what legislation is being considered that my affect out pitiful little interests. And I need to know that my representatives know my face and name. In smaller communities you may be surprised how eager reps are to know your thoughts, esp if they think you have some kind of organization behind you. They know that most folks are passive, and the few that take the time and effort to talk to them about issues may very well influence the sideliners. Two - As someone else said on this thread - I want to do whatever I can to stop the Bush/McCain train. If that means BO, well, that's what it means. Then I'll fight the next fight as one is always coming.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" No I am, consider yourself deposed. And don't forget to take those dirty socks out of the castle when you leave.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I am doing it for two reasons. One - I have business interests I understand, having come from NYC if you weren't a contributing D, your career was terminated on takeoff.
As I said before , acting like a freeper or a nine year old just makes you come off like a Republican - and you don't want to be associated with that group of boy buggering liars do you? You gave this impression when you tossed out the first mindless insult on this thread (see above) and your most recent addition just confirms what I've suspected, and what I've just been reading people saying over on FU - you're a mindless moron incapable of doing more than tossing out the sort of silly insult I just quoted.
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If we're still allowed. McCain's jackboots would grow ever stronger.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
You accept the reality you are given and take it from there. Fantasy is fine for the the cinema.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 'Scuse me Mud, I'm still reading the people over on LP and FU reaming your ass about Bush. Especially back before the last election. Seems that they called it 100%. Almost everything they told you about Bush has either now come true or been proven correct. Everything you said about Bush has turned out to be dead ass wrong. Should have listened to'em Mud. They seem to know what they are talking about.
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I don't wear socks, those Hush Puppies are so comfortable I don't need them.
I can kill you with my brain or bash you with my shell -- you choose. -- YertleTurtle
Sure have, which is why I said that Republicans weren't 'pro-life', either. You are right about sleeping through the November election, however...nothing will change; regardless of who wins.
Smart guy.
Sounds like you've got a short fuse and a small filthy mind devoid of intelligent or pertinent replies.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
The Zionists despise him along with the La Raza gang but the beat of blind hatred here just goes on and on. If he gets a friendly Congress, Obama will do more to expand the welfare state than any President since Lyndon Johnson. That doesn't put him above the other candidates in my book, it puts him in the same league. On domestic issues, he might even be worse than either Clinton or McCain, and he's only marginally better on foreign policy (he may not send more troops to the Middle East, but I don't look forward to trillions of our tax dollars being sent as "aid" to Africa either). And I don't have any more use for Obama's poverty pimp pals in the NAACP than I have for McCain and Hillary's sponsors in AIPAC and La Raza.
I was rejected for gov services, as you know. I've never fired a weapon at a 'human' and never hope to have to do so: but if it comes to that, trust me, I have the capabilities of many small countries to do so.
The day of induction, I went thru the Army physical altho I was Air force. Of 713 men no one failed, not one. We shipped out that night. If you could walk in, you were in. I saw two doctors, one listened to my heart for about 5 seconds, said yep, you got one, next. The other was a shrink at the end of the physical that asked if I could drive a tractor, I replied no and he said, "next". I was in.
agreed.
Your only hope might have been to have said, "I'd love to drive my tractor up your ass." That might not even have done it back then. Thank God you made it through it all.
He liked young boys. The enlisted men doing the physicals warned everyone about him.
I don't get it. I guess that this is supposed to be with us from the beginning of time? And to be damned forever? Why did God allow/create make it happen? Explain it to me please. Thanks.
Genetic misfires. Completely disposable, IMO.
To me they are born not made and it is a tough life as I have known both females and males that have lived it.
I got hit on by a couple of gay women out in California about the time I turned 30. Both of them were very reclusive and avoided contact with most people. It's like they wanted to give it one hard try at being straight before admitting they were gay and entering the lifestyle. It's like they preferred to be straight. This convinced me that they're born not made. Too bad. Both were easier to get along with than straight women. Sort of like hanging around with a guy. Sure were lousy in the sack however.
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I'd like to meet a lesbian that's athletic and hot and likes me. Mmmmmm... lesbians.
In the military it was difficult to shower with them. They were friends and it must have been difficult for them. Everyone had to pretend that there was nothing amiss. Nothing was ever discussed, just pretend it did not exist.
Mmmmmm... lesbians. I used to know a weirdo in L.A. who liked to go to this big disco in West Hollywood and watch the lesbians dance. I never could figure it out. It's not like he was going to pick one up. From what he told me, he just sat there a looked like a freak. Kept asking me if I wanted to go with him. He finally flipped out my girlfriend and I had to ditch him.
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Yeh.... I am one. Thought I was a cowboy............
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just two crime families fighting over the same turf. The only difference is how they extort the protection fees.
Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution
I will check it out. One reason Guamanians are so ticked off is that when we retook Guam and the Norther Marianna Islands, the military hung on to every hectare/acre the Japanese military had seized. It was all the best part of the Island for the most part too. I know too that the oldest Christian Church in that part of the world is on Guam. I saw it still in roofless stone shell form. It seems that we tortured Chimorros to 'convince' them to adopt our form of government with an Executive, legislative and judicial branch over their traditional patriarchal form of governance. Chimorros are half Chimorro and half Spanish for the most part. You see, the Spanish murdered all the men and boys taking all the females for themselves. Now we allow companies to set up clothing sweatshops employing Koreans, Filipinos and others to make clothes on the cheap living in same sex barracks. Because it is in the U.S. protectorate, clothing can wear the "made in America" label and not actually be made here. Chimorros don't get the jobs. They are all pacified by U.S. welfare payments to pacify them and allow free access to their islands. When we were there, they struck me as fat, bored, and very very friendly. (In the Northern Marianas that is.) We really tripped out the Navy folks when our Utah Spacial Forces units arrived at the Naval Air Station in Guam. The Black sailors wanted to know why this very active duty looking bunch of folks was almost all White. Out of a large group of men we had maybe two Blacks among us. This was unnerving to them. We also for the most part wore sterile (patch less) OG 107 uniforms, Vietnam vintage jungle greens with the slanting pockets. Even in the eighties this was an obsolete uniform, but we being SF did what we wanted, of course. The exercise name was Operation Golden Laser III.
I am a real human being, I belong o the Pacific Green Party.
Ah ha, company man, huh???? If the company is worthy, indeed!
Resist!
we also have to consider our different temperaments Good point.
Resist!
I'm green with envy ! (Not).
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
Green Party? Then you ain't a RAT, ferret. You do appear to be part of the ObamaNation, though...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Neocon Republicans love big spending, big government, and budget deficits as much as Democrats do, especially when those deficits are created by unending wars and occupations.
Amen. I'm ready to draw straws...we'd be lots better off. Bill Buckley made a similar suggestion many years ago.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Buckley: he would rather be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston telephone directory than by the Harvard faculty.
Why'd you wait so long? I dropped the GOPer label after the shock of 9-11 wore off and I realized that the GOPer elites were complicit in that great crime. Now that they have nominated McCain over Paul, I won't go back. Instead, I will do whatever I can to hasten their destruction.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
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I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
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#12. To: christine (#7)
#13. To: lodwick (#9)
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer.
#14. To: robin (#11)
And, labels are now meaningless, IMO. Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
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I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
#16. To: robin (#11)
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Even "pro-life" is a twisted joke.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Lord Acton
#18. To: ... (#16)
Using buzz words such as "pro-life", "gay marriage", "Islamofascism" and "commies" gets small town America riled up into an easily manipulated state. The goal is to manipulate this large group into voting tax cuts for the plutocratic two percent, and not to actually act on such things as abortion or gay marriage - which the 2% actually like having as an option.
#19. To: aristeides (#10)
Yes, he is, but both Barr and Obama are antiwar enough for me, so far.
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I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
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"I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping."
Obama for president 2008
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
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#26. To: aristeides (#21)
I believe I can say that no died in the wool Ds have showed up on this thread yet.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.
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buzz words
#29. To: lodwick (#9)
I'm having a difficult time considering myself an american any longer.
#30. To: Original_Intent (#25)
I find the McClinton-Obummer choices to be non-choices. It is just a matter of which Psychotic is less worse than the others.
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Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory.
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"Of course living here in "Ecotopia" (the Pacific Northwet) I am in the heart of enema held territory."
Obama for president 2008
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
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#38. To: lodwick (#35)
Our treasonous governor is turning Texas into the testing ground for all sorts of evil: the TransTexasCorridor, other NAFTA highways, tolling everything they can, guardisil, and God only knows what else he's planning.
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"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
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#41. To: wudidiz (#39)
"yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',"
Obama for president 2008
#42. To: wudidiz (#39)
yukon refers to me as a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP',
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#44. To: Original_Intent (#40)
Naw - I just thought it fit the situation since we are fighting a very toxic enema.
#45. To: wudidiz (#39)
Obama for president 2008
#46. To: ..., Jethro Tull, Peppa, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz (#33)
I also think the plutocratic 2% who control small town America know the jig is up.
#47. To: Ferret Mike, Original_Intent (#32)
Cascadia
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#48. To: ... (#33)
The veep choice is the interesting one - he's the one that will be chosen to protect he plutocracy.
#49. To: Red Jones (#43)
I began to doubt the Republicans in 1989 when I was reading in the Wall Street Journal about things that George HW Bush was actually doing as president.
If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.
#50. To: Original_Intent, Ferret Mike (#42)
yuktard
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#51. To: Jethro Tull, robin, Lodwick (#14)
I thought this way for a while, but I've returned to my belief that there is a political left and right.
#52. To: wudidiz (#50)
yuktard
#53. To: Original_Intent (#46)
Most of that 2% haven't a clue as to what is really occurring. They are just stolid, materialistic, and afraid of losing their toy collection and the false respect that money brings.
#54. To: Ferret Mike (#45)
That updated zoot suit might make you a Pachuco, but not a ' NDP Lieberal Canuckistani PIMP.' ;-)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#55. To: Red Jones (#43)
If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#57. To: Original_Intent (#49)
For me it was about '86 with the Tax increases and roll back of the Reagan Tax cuts
#58. To: Mudboy Slim (#56)
I've been a registered Independent since 2002...MUD
#59. To: christine (#48)
"...i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman."
#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#61. To: iconoclast (#51)
Well many, if not most, Republicans have not had a problem with calling Democrats communists for many years ... it appears obvious to me that they aren't very close to calling Republicans the fascist plutocrats that they have morphed into.
#62. To: wudidiz (#39)
#63. To: Mudboy Slim (#39)
Mud says I'm a lefty
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#64. To: ... (#33)
#65. To: Mudboy Slim, christine (#59)
(Edited)
"...i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman."
#66. To: Mudboy Slim (#62)
You support folks who support Big Guv'ment, imho...MUD
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#67. To: christine (#48)
mcCain's choice should be interesting. i'm still thinking that it could very well be lieberman. that could very well be the plan of the PTB.
#68. To: wudidiz (#66)
#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#68)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#70. To: angle (#64)
"Those are some very insightful comments."
#71. To: wudidiz (#69)
#72. To: ... (#33)
#73. To: Original_Intent (#65)
I think Mike Tyson would be more of a soul match for McInsane - or Jeffrey Dahmer or "The Joker".
#74. To: ..., Original Intent, Peppa, Cynicom, lodwick, Dakmar, christine, Obama, Clinton, McCain, Chertoff, all (#33)
(Edited)
#75. To: Jethro Tull (#74)
"The points that matter to me most make Obama the worst of choice between the three."
#76. To: Jethro Tull (#74)
#77. To: Mudboy Slim, ALL (#68)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#78. To: ... (#33)
#79. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#80. To: Mudboy Slim, All (#77)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#81. To: ... (#78)
"They'll be front page pictures of bread lines and of the helicopter on the roof of the Baghdad embassy soon."
#82. To: Hayek Fan (#79)
"I've never voted for a Democrat."
#83. To: Jethro Tull (#74)
OTOH, on the domestic front, the political left irks me b/c the social programs they love so much costs me money. I'm like a lot of other folks, I simply can't afford to give even more to a central government for redistribution. I also want the political left to get their laws off my guns. Obama is capable of further damage to my bottom line, and he’s despicable on the 2nd amendment. How a man who proposes that self defense in one’s home is illegal, can be accepted by so many, sucks.
#84. To: Jethro Tull. the thread (#74)
#85. To: christine (#83)
no matter what, we cannot as a populace be disarmed. that is still the only thing that the tyrants fear.
#86. To: lodwick (#84)
#87. To: Original_Intent (#65)
"I think Mike Tyson would be more of a soul match for McInsane..."
#88. To: christine, Peppa, farmfriend, Cynicom, robin, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach, Percy Dovetonsils, Pinguinite, ratcat, Palo Verde, aristeides, all (#83)
...no matter what, we cannot as a populace be disarmed. that is still the only thing that the tyrants fear.
#89. To: Mudboy Slim (#87)
"I think Mike Tyson would be more of a soul match for McInsane..."
#90. To: Original_Intent (#88)
He is not a stupid man, but he is "afraid to look" at the reality because it is too awful for him to confront.
#91. To: RickyJ (#90)
People who deny reality are insane.
#92. To: iconoclast (#51)
Well many, if not most, Republicans have not had a problem with calling Democrats communists for many years ... it appears obvious to me that they aren't very close to calling Republicans the fascist plutocrats that they have morphed into.
1963- The Year That Changed America
#93. To: Original_Intent (#88)
True, but what they fear even more is an alerted armed populace. We need both, and we need to keep cool heads and keep pushing - alerting and waking people up to the true, and real, danger they are in.
#94. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#95. To: Peppa (#93)
Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.
#96. To: aristeides (#95)
Sounds like a nuanced position to me.
As a Constitutional lecturer, he should well know, rights of self defense are God given, not government given. The nuanced tap-dancing doesn't show leadership. It reveals he is unwilling to take a position that could cut off his career. It has nothing to do with what his Constitutionally correct. IMO>
#97. To: Hayek Fan (#79)
I've never voted for a Democrat.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#98. To: Peppa (#96)
The nuanced tap-dancing doesn't show leadership.
#99. To: aristeides (#95)
A few more opinions by multiple sources about Obama's stance on CC.
#100. To: aristeides (#98)
Well, I suspect he doesn't care enough about the issue to expend political capital on it.
#101. To: All (#100)
#102. To: aristeides (#98)
Well, I suspect he doesn't care enough about the issue to expend political capital on it.
#103. To: Mudboy Slim (#81)
(Edited)
Idiotic wishful thinking of a Leftist RAT, imho...MUD
#104. To: Mudboy Slim (#81)
diotic wishful thinking of a Leftist RAT, imho...MUD
#105. To: aristeides (#98)
I'm much more concerned about ending the war in Iraq and the Bush regime's violations of civil liberties.
#106. To: karelian (#94)
#107. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
Given Obama's position on the 2nd, we'll no longer have that option.
#108. To: aristeides (#107)
I don't think we can come back from a government that has successfully disarmed us. But I see no reason to believe that a President Obama will do that any more than Bush or preceding presidents, including Democratic ones, have done. Democrats learned from electoral losses in the 1990's to be gun-shy on Second Amendment issues.
#109. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm a reformed R, who now is a electoral non-participant.
Bush declared: "I have decided to give my vigorous support for population control in both the United States and the world." He also lashed out at the Pope. "For those of us who who feel so strongly on this issue, the recent enyclical was most discouraging." In 1967, Bush called for "having the government agencies work even more closely with going private agencies such as Planned Parenthood."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#110. To: Cynicom (#108)
SENATOR PREFERS CLINTON CONTEST
Mon Apr 14 2008 10:46:19 ET
Republican presidential hopeful John McCain has confided to his inner circle that Hillary Clinton may yet be the Democratic nominee, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, a development the senator from Arizona would personally welcome!
"Look, I know something about long odds, they had me written off last summer," McCain explained over the weekend, according to a top source.
McCain would prefer to go up against Clinton in the general election, insiders reveal.
He has instructed his campaign staff to "chill out" on countering Hillary Clinton's torrent of claims and promises as primary voting comes to an end over the next 6 weeks.
McCain made the tactical decision to downplay Clinton's tale of Bosnia sniper fire, leaving some McCain staffers frustrated and perplexed.
Instead, the critical focus has been on Barack Obama. McCain's official website features 14 press releases taking on Obama since the first of the year, only 3 for the former first lady.
Developing...
#111. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
#112. To: WhiteGuy (#111)
Just read some of the posts here and on other sites; you'll see a one or two post exchange before the name calling and the condescension begins.
#113. To: Artisan (#109)
I'm with you, although I did vote for Ron Paul in the latest republican primary. I voted constitution party in 04 (Peroutka/Baldwin).
#114. To: WhiteGuy (#111)
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
(Edited)
The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed.
#116. To: Jethro Tull (#114)
#117. To: ... (#115)
#118. To: ... (#115)
It's the people in hick Pennsylvania that are as hysterical about guns as they are about two queers in the tenderloin getting married.
#119. To: aristeides, Christine (#112)
Insert just a couple of trolls into a forum, and you can stir up all sorts of dissension.
#120. To: Cynicom (#118)
#121. To: WhiteGuy (#119)
(certainly not true of this 4um, Christine is NOT part of the problem)
#122. To: Jethro Tull (#120)
Back in your hidey hole, rube.
#123. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
The ruling elite can't have either our civil liberties or constitutional rights as long as we're armed.
#124. To: Cynicom (#122)
#125. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
They even give us big guns to shoot strangers with (just don't shoot a burglar when you return. Obama the Magnificent takes exception).
#126. To: ... (#123)
As I said before, the elites don't care if these people have guns. It placates these people and the guns pose no real threat to the elites.
#127. To: Jethro Tull (#117)
So your argument is since we're not going to use them, we might as well ignore the laws they cook up for us?
#128. To: Jethro Tull (#126)
They sure placate me as they've saved my life. Hell, I've even seen where some dumb rube protected his family with a gun. So, again, why would an elite such as Obama press forward anti gun legislation if the damn things work so well and pose no threat to the established order?
#129. To: Cynicom (#125)
Korea
#130. To: ... (#115)
That's how the Nazis controlled France, one or two informants per village and it was over for the resistance.
#131. To: Jethro Tull (#129)
God, fifty years ago, and we're still there at our battle stations
#132. To: angle, Jethro Tull, Peppa, christine (#130)
At least in hick PA people can escape from the city.
#133. To: ... (#127)
Guns have value against criminals and rioters, or against other civilians if there is some sort of breakdown in society. So I'm not anti-gun and I see a value in them. I own a great many myself.
#134. To: ... (#104)
"...in 2004, right before the 2004 election, right before the Party fooled your moronic ass into voting for Bush the SECOND time, you told us that Bush would get the deficit cleaned up right after the election."
#135. To: ... (#103)
"Mud, why do you think everyone laughs up their cuff at you?"
#136. To: Jethro Tull (#133)
That won't sell with the legions of unkempt, toothless, low IQ'ers out here.
#137. To: Cynicom (#131)
Obama for president 2008
#138. To: aristeides (#95)
Sounds like a nuanced position to me.
#139. To: Mudboy Slim (#135)
"BTW...what's a cuff? And how do you laugh up it?"
Obama for president 2008
#140. To: Cynicom (#136)
#141. To: Ferret Mike (#137)
One interesting thing about it was that the Chimorros selling fruit and libations there had given us refreshments on the house, and when the Japanese showed up, the high prices were back in force.
#142. To: iconoclast (#138)
Nothing short of selling guns at the White House gift shop will assuage the gun nuts.
#143. To: Jethro Tull (#140)
(Edited)
"Now pardon me while I fondle my new picture of Rexella, from the Jack Van Impe ministries."
Obama for president 2008
#144. To: christine (#83)
that 2nd amendment position that obama holds is appalling, imo. i'm changing my mind about wanting him to have the op to fulfill his promises for change, on that one issue.
#145. To: Cynicom (#132)
I asked if that was his main purpose of ownership and his answer required no explanation. He said, "We keep it...just in case".
#146. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
DC is a gun-free zone.
#147. To: Mudboy Slim (#135)
"Mud, why do you think everyone laughs up their cuff at you?"
#148. To: ... (#147)
"...read your Bush worshiping posts from the 2003 - 2004 time frame on LP and FU."
#149. To: ... (#147)
#150. To: Ferret Mike (#139)
"Do we always have to explain such basic things to you...?"
#151. To: Peppa, Jethro Tull (#145)
Good thinking, but I wonder what his honest answer would've been.
#152. To: who knows what evil, Hayek Fan (#97)
I've never voted for a Democrat.
#153. To: aristeides, Peppa (#98)
The nuanced tap-dancing doesn't show leadership.
#154. To: Cynicom (#151)
Racism, bigotry goes out the window, survival comes to the forefront. Now the need for guns surfaces.
#155. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
I'm thinking we have some died in the wool Ds, and that might explain, in part, the Obama pimping.
#156. To: Peppa (#154)
You should immediately prepare a million Welcome Wagon basket./s :)
#157. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)
I have no use for dyed in the wool R's or D's, and never did.
#158. To: Cynicom (#156)
You meant to say...
#159. To: iconoclast (#153)
(Edited)
All politicians play to their base in the primaries.
#160. To: Mudboy Slim (#148)
Seriously, evidence please. Show me my "Bush-worshipping posts", why don't you?
#161. To: Mudboy Slim (#135)
BTW...what's a cuff? And how do you laugh up it?
#162. To: Mudboy Slim (#150)
Basic things to RATS ain't the same thing as basic things to REAL human beings...MUD
#163. To: Mudboy Slim (#149)
#164. To: WhiteGuy (#119)
While I won't discount the truth of your statement, I think there are also regular folks who just aren't intelligent enough to think beyond their self-identification, and are too insecure to consider anyone with a different viewpoint anything but a threat.
#165. To: ..., Mudboy Slim (#162)
If you pull your knuckles off the pavement people might mistake you for a human being.
#166. To: iconoclast (#152)
Just like blacks voting for Democrats.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#167. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
For ten points, and control of the clock, guess the color and political affiliation of the legislators from the District who thought that was a swell idea?
#168. To: Artisan (#109)
I voted constitution party in 04 (Peroutka/Baldwin).
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#169. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#155)
What I can't understand is the level of love and enthusiasm some people have for that PC empty suit.
#170. To: who knows what evil (#166)
Oh, please...the Democrat Party platform is 'pro-choice', and I'm not...simple as that. Republicans aren't 'pro-life, either...no vote for them, as well.
#171. To: iconoclast, Rupert_Pupkin, all (#169)
The Zionists despise him along with the La Raza
Obama applauds federal court's Hazelton decision after dignifying La Raza. (Quick Quotes)(Barack Obama)(Brief article)
#172. To: iconoclast (#167)
Guess the color of the last child that was shot on her own front porch by a gang banger?
#173. To: Peppa (#92)
__ 46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America.
#174. To: Cynicom, ... (#165)
#175. To: Jethro Tull (#171)
Presidential candidate Senator Baraek Obama wasted no time in issuing his comment after the Hazelton decision.
#176. To: Hagee, ... (#163)
"He IS Keith Olbermann..."
#177. To: ... (#160)
"...call me a weenie again."
#178. To: Mudboy Slim (#174)
I agree...does this place have a "BOZO"-function? If so, "..." would qualify...MUD
#179. To: Cynicom (#178)
"I do try to be civil and polite."
#180. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#181. To: ... (#160)
"...toss out your silly insults like a nine year old."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#182. To: YertleTurtle (#180)
#183. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
Ye of the 19" pulsating head, your comment is duly noted.
#184. To: iconoclast (#144)
#185. To: Mudboy Slim (#181)
"...toss out your silly insults like a nine year old."
#186. To: iconoclast (#152)
Sounds like you two are just busting your buttons over that very "serious and thoughtful" voting claim.
#187. To: ... (#185)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#188. To: Mudboy Slim (#179)
As do I...MUD
#189. To: ... (#185)
"FR ratings are in toilet"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#190. To: ... (#188)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#191. To: Mudboy Slim (#187)
(Edited)
"They" want ME dead? LOL...you Lefty RATS really are whacko, ain't ya?
#192. To: Mudboy Slim (#190)
Spoken like a despicable RAT...MUD
#193. To: ... (#192)
"You keep ignoring this question."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#194. To: ... (#192)
"...you spewed it all over the boards."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#195. To: Mudboy Slim (#190)
#196. To: ... (#195)
"Your spew that Bush would have the deficits fixed right after the election is an example in point."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#197. To: Mudboy Slim (#174)
I agree...does this place have a "BOZO"-function? If so, "..." would qualify...MUD
#198. To: ... (#195)
"The Party doesn't give a damn about you."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#199. To: Mudboy Slim (#196)
Evidence please...where are all these tell-tale posts you reference?
#200. To: ... (#197)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#201. To: ... (#199)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#202. To: Mudboy Slim (#198)
Why would it? I'm not even a Republican, RAT!!
#203. To: Mudboy Slim (#201)
I supported Bush when he deserved to be supported, and I confronted him when he was wrong...MUD
#204. To: Mudboy Slim (#201)
(Edited)
#205. To: Mudboy Slim (#200)
#206. To: ... (#205)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#207. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Are there any here who consider themselves a D? An R?
#208. To: YertleTurtle (#180)
am the secret Benign-Dictator-for-Life,
#209. To: tom007 (#207)
#210. To: Mudboy Slim (#206)
(Edited)
Stoopid is as stoopid does, RAT...MUD
#211. To: tom007 (#207)
Then I'll fight the next fight as one is always coming.
#212. To: Jethro Tull (#209)
#213. To: Mudboy Slim (#206)
(Edited)
#214. To: tom007 (#208)
And don't forget to take those dirty socks out of the castle when you leave.
#215. To: iconoclast (#170)
Looked at the numbers for children killed or left orphaned in Iraq lately?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#216. To: Cynicom (#132)
I asked if that was his main purpose of ownership and his answer required no explanation. He said, "We keep it...just in case".
#217. To: Hayek Fan (#186)
Sounds like your jealous because you've spent your entire adult life being suckered by the two party fraud. Sucks to be you I guess. Now go back to sucking off your children and your priest scumbag.
#218. To: iconoclast (#169)
(Edited)
What I can't understand is the thinking of people that refuse to acknowledge that Obama is head and shoulders above those suits full of shit that snickered and sneered at Ron Paul during the sham debates.
#219. To: Cynicom. Gun owners (#146)
Until the "government" requested my services, I had never fired a gun, never owned one, still do not own one.
#220. To: lodwick (#219)
I was rejected for gov services, as you know.
#221. To: christine (#173)
those two are the icing on the cake.
#222. To: Cynicom (#220)
The other was a shrink at the end of the physical that asked if I could drive a tractor, I replied no and he said, "next". I was in.
#223. To: lodwick (#222)
That might not even have done it back then.
#224. To: Cynicom. fags. whatever you are (#223)
He liked young boys.
#225. To: lodwick (#224)
#226. To: lodwick (#224)
(Edited)
#227. To: Cynicom (#226)
To me they are born not made and it is a tough life as I have known both females and males that have lived it.
#228. To: ..., all (#227)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#229. To: ... (#227)
#230. To: wudidiz (#228)
I'd like to meet a lesbian that's athletic and hot and likes me.
#231. To: wudidiz (#228)
Mmmmmm... lesbians.
#232. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
I thought this way for a while, but I've returned to my belief that there is a political left and right. They aren't as crisply defined, but there is a difference.
#233. To: Cynicom (#141)
(Edited)
"If you have time, use google and take a look at what is going on there now, preparations are being made for much larger affairs than Iraq. If you take the time, study it well with a large world map in view, you will see what is afoot."
Obama for president 2008
#234. To: Mudboy Slim (#150)
"Basic things to RATS ain't the same thing as basic things to REAL human beings...MUD"
Obama for president 2008
#235. To: Cynicom (#121)
#236. To: christine (#164)
#237. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
#238. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#239. To: ... (#191)
Now prove to us that the GOP didn't make an absolute ass out of you with their propaganda and tell us how Bush fixed the deficit.
#240. To: lodwick (#55)
If we selected 1000 citizens at random and gave them jobs randomly as president, vice president, congressman, senator, cabinet member, etc. then we would do much much better than we are doing now with powerful monied interests dominating us.
#241. To: iconoclast (#240)
#242. To: aristeides (#2)
(Edited)
It doesn't explain me. I changed my registration two years ago from Republican to Independent, where it remains.
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