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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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American Research Group
URL Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#106. To: Peppa (#101)
Good luck with that. I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll) As it goes, some things are clearer regardless. I guess this place will be closing up shop.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I'm glad you liked it.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Christine got back into her right mind, so maybe there's hope for Obamanite...although if you had told me during Sally's El Pee - Ron Paul purgeathon that this place would become Obama4um, I'd have to have said "Pass".
Yes, you're THE tuffest fer shur...what's next, whip'em out and measure? It just caught me funny. I feel the same way and with very good reason...
I'm going to have a smoke.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html you know how it is in a fight. the most vicious one wins. some victory. note to self - must temper such thoughts.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Yeah. After a guy's knee is wrenched, he's lost some teeth, has a few cracked ribs and his balls are busted before his nose is pinned against his cheek...you wish the dumb SOB had just minded his own business in the first place.
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man. You're where you belong.
Hi Red, I'm back. Thanks again for the very kind words. Very kind words indeed. But I can't accept this compliment. Most people don't give a hoot about freedoms. Of those that do, most only complain and a few take action rising to civil disobedience. While I've done that, there are a large number of names and/or faces I personally know that have dwarfed me in their efforts and in the prices they have paid. So no, this compliment I must objectively defer to numerous others. I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
" I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty." True, I was shocked at your use of language. "these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right." That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights. Your argument is with voters that have voted in huge numbers for three people that have not said they will stop the war in Iraq. Supporting any one of the three is support for more war, more blood and dying, the very thing you abhor. There is no reconciliation of the two.
Ah.....we left LP & FU because we felt strongly about the war. And what exactly would you have us do about the dying Iraqis?
a man (Obama) who has no respect for the rights and lives of Americans (he wants to take away our right to self defense) cannot have regard for the lives of iraqis, afganis, pakistanis, iranians, or any other country's peoples.
You're further gone than I would have ever believed.
I second that motion.
The logic here is skewed. #1. ) Obama appears is not the same as Obama is #2. ) he'd be the moral candidate of choice according to whom? #3. ) the candidate most likely to draw down the empire ...whatever his stance is on the 2A... means exactly what? It seems you're saying that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama because of his stance on denying citizens the right to own guns is promoting the killing of innocents? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hush your mouth.
The Os laughingly tried to put us in a position of accepting the loss of a Constitutional right as a trade off for world peace. Pass the magic mushrooms....
I apparently pay far more attention to it than you have to what I've said on this very thread.
I'm sorry but your paragraph was anything but clear. As an aside, Ecuador can well sustain it's own population without food imports, but your hypothetical point is taken. But the question of whether it'll be Cain, Hill, or Obama is not hypothetical. It'll be one of those 3.
You may well be right. But if so, why does preferring Obama win make me a commie? If you're right, it doesn't matter, does it cyni? It WILL be one of those 3. If you think they are all the same, then why not stop being shocked and just say, "I guess maybe we'll see".
Thanks, but I don't think I could afford a BG right now! Might get a gun though. (Now my adversaries will REALLY be confused).
For someone who's not my enemy, you sure don't mind tossing insults my way.
You're where you belong. Okay JT. If you're gonna insult me and my record, put your self in the spot light and lets see who's better. If you've done more civil disobedience than me, fine, I have to kiss your ass. But if I've done more than you, you have to kiss my ass, and either apologize for being a hypocritical idiot OR have this thread be a permanent millstone around your neck. If you take my deal, fess up. For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts? Maybe you can think about that this evening on your way to the PO to get your 1040 postmarked by the midnight deadline. Again, if you've done more than me, then I'll bow down. Ball's in your court. Let me know if you're playing or not.
The answer is ZERO, as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).
It's funny how those labels stick. I made the mistake of sending a few dollars to a charity that sent me self-stick return address labels, now thew send me like 400 pounds of the fuckers each and every month. The other address label charities have taken me for an easy mark, and have proceeded to send me address labels of their own design. It's become quite a burden collecting over six tons of junk mail each month, sorting through it, and bagging and hauling the majority of it to the curb each week. I worry about identity theft, but if I took the time to shred it all there'd be no time for tea and scones.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Subsequent polls show Hillary ahead by 5-6%. Obama, with my vote, has a chance to beat Hillary in PA.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I pray he does.
I thought you wanted McCain to win, start the collapse ASAP? Fuck it all, I'm writing in Richard Perle.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
McCain will win if O is selected, not with my help tho. Yes, do Perle as a write in. Is he still alive?
So my calling you a Hillaroid is not entirely without merit? Of course it is, but that's the trap the pigfucking elite have set for us. I wish we could get back to discussing the pros and cons of individual issues and ideas rather than spouting attack prose at idealogical dissenters.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Shock effect is one literary tool used by writers. I'm glad it went over as intended. Um.... my opinion has nothing to do with your rights. Very true Cyni. You can join Peppa in rehearsing your posts so they make some kind of sense. Obama has said he would withdraw US troops from Iraq. He might not do any, he might not do all, but Cain definitely won't and Hillary is less likely to than Obama. Ergo, based on this information, the overall chance of reduced military presence in Iraq is best with Obama. But again, if they are all the same, why would you care which of the 3 gets the presidency?
I don't know..... maybe.... stop killing them? I know that sounds silly probably but I'll see about coming up with something a bit more sophisticated.
You may be right, chrissy. Do you think maybe McCain would treat them more kindly than Obama would? Would you be willing to bet money on that? I wouldn't.
Quite possibly. Anyone comparing his claim that he'd have troops out of Iraq in 1 year compared to McCain's 100 year claim would reach that conclusion. Granted, all are claims these days. It means putting and end to actual killing is more important that some law written on paper, laws that judges rarely obey BTW, that says you can have a gun. That as opposed to, "We need to vote for a president that will let me have a gun even though he will continue to murder innocent men, women and children abroad". Maybe being in Ecuador has taught me the difference between reality and what laws say. Reality carries a lot more weight in these parts. True in the USA too, in case no one's noticed.
Ha!! What Constitutional right? The right to bear arms? YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!! What are you? Stupid?? It's time you put them away. That goes for everyone.
I get called names all the time, it quit bothering me when I was 22 or so. This thread reminded me of one several weeks ago where someone tore into me based on misrepresenting my remarks, simple and straightforward as they were... I can't believe all the childish propaganda I'm seeing here today. And for the last couple months, really. Like I ask everyone else, why worry about the opinions of obvious morons?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Just to clarify, when I say "morons" I mean FOH specifically.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Well, JT, that was certainly a very quick contest. And you lose. So YOU can kiss my ass. And if you don't want to do that, then I think this is the part where I get to say two words. FUCK YOU! Uh-huh... I guess that would include the Constitution. Nothing but BS. Now then, you were saying something about a BS Constitutional Right you think you have?
Did you learn that in the wacky patriot group you were once a member of?
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What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#107. To: Pinguinite (#105)
#108. To: FOH (#106)
Good luck with that.
#109. To: FOH (#96)
LOLOL!!!
#110. To: Peppa, christine (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#111. To: Red Jones (#109)
I'm glad you liked it.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#112. To: FOH (#110)
#113. To: FOH (#111)
I feel the same way and with very good reason...
#114. To: Red Jones (#113)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#115. To: Pinguinite (#92)
All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A
#116. To: Red Jones (#90)
because believe me others have paid a high price too, others have similar stories too and paid high prices too, that's something I personally know. but none more magnificantly than you.
but you seem a little out-of-sorts today. and you're our hero. we don't want that to happen.
#117. To: Pinguinite (#116)
I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
#118. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#119. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#120. To: Pinguinite (#56)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
#122. To: Pinguinite (#91)
Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A. Further, anyone that would choose to further promote the killing of innocent people in order to preserve the 2A for himself is a tyrant.
#123. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#124. To: angle (#122)
#125. To: FOH (#95)
Do you pay attention to what's going on in this forum
#126. To: Peppa (#97)
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear.
There is enough blame for attrocities to go around for everyone. What if I were to say, stop food deliveries in Ecuador, as it feeds criminals. Would that be a true statement?
#127. To: Cynicom (#98)
As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead. If for one minute you believe that Obama is going to change course, you are sadly mistaken.
#128. To: Red Jones (#107)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
#129. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#130. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man.
#131. To: Pinguinite (#130)
For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts?
#132. To: Pinguinite (#128)
Might get a gun though. (Now my adversaries will REALLY be confused).
#133. To: Horse (#0)
#134. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#133)
#135. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
#136. To: Dakmar (#135)
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
McCain will win if O is selected, not with my help tho.
#138. To: Cynicom (#117)
True, I was shocked at your use of language.
"these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right."
That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights.
Your argument is with voters that have voted in huge numbers for three people that have not said they will stop the war in Iraq. Supporting any one of the three is support for more war, more blood and dying, the very thing you abhor.
#139. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
And what exactly would you have us do about the dying Iraqis?
#140. To: christine (#119)
a man (Obama) who has no respect for the rights and lives of Americans (he wants to take away our right to self defense) cannot have regard for the lives of iraqis, afganis, pakistanis, iranians, or any other country's peoples.
#141. To: angle (#122)
#1. ) Obama appears is not the same as Obama is
#2. ) he'd be the moral candidate of choice according to whom?
#3. ) the candidate most likely to draw down the empire ...whatever his stance is on the 2A... means exactly what?
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
The Os laughingly tried to put us in a position of accepting the loss of a Constitutional right as a trade off for world peace.
Pass the magic mushrooms....
#143. To: Pinguinite (#140)
#144. To: Pinguinite, FOH (#140)
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#131)
The answer is ZERO,
as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).
#146. To: Pinguinite (#142)
Ha!! What Constitutional right? The right to bear arms? YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!! What are you? Stupid??
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