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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
Source: American Research Group
URL Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 6224
Comments: 272

April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference

Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).

Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.

10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.


Poster Comment:

The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that:

Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions?

Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure.

There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth.

12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

The SUSA poll a week ago had her with an 18-point lead.

I have always assumed she would win Pennsylvania by about 20 points and, frankly, she has to do so.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-04-14   12:54:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Sam Houston (#1)

I have always assumed she would win Pennsylvania by about 20 points and, frankly, she has to do so.

She has to do more than that. She's got win by that much in pretty much all the remaining states.

She won't. Winning by that much in PA would likely only prolong her trainwreck.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   1:23:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pinguinite (#28)

Winning by that much in PA would likely only prolong her trainwreck.

You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.

angle  posted on  2008-04-15   6:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: angle, Pinguinite (#34)

You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.

Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-15   10:40:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vitamin Z, angle (#35)

Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.

Okay, we'll have to wait and see. Obama, however, can lose all the remaining states and still take the nomination. All that's required is he not lose that badly.

The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point. Obama's had lots of attention but I think if it starts to look like Hillary has a chance again, her own hypocrisy and policies will be back in the light.

Odds still strongly favor Obama, according to the people willing to put money on the election.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   12:32:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#36)

The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point.

No it isn't. The super delegates are part of the equation and they will favor the most electable candidate, which right now sure the heck isn't Obama. Also Florida and Michigan lost their say by moving their primaries up and both of those states would have gone to Hillary. Hillary will get the nomination barring some major blunder on her part before the convention. The Obama followers can throw fits and riot, but that is the most likely outcome right now.

Not like I really give a crap either way. But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom and it makes me sick. Having their adopted poster boy go down to defeat would serve them right.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-15   13:08:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: RickyJ (#41)

Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   14:40:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.

Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:05:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Peppa (#51)

Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.

Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:36:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)

Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?

And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:38:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Peppa (#59)

And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.

Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.

I won't.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)

Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.

I won't.

And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter.

I thought you were better than that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:42:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Peppa (#65)

And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.

And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:46:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: All (#66)

Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?

Yes, people are dying getting murdered by this administration, and all you care about is some legislation in Congress.

You can keep your damn guns no matter what the laws say. If you lived in Ecuador, you'd understand that. And if you consent to setting loose the dogs of war on innocents just so you can have a paper right to guns, then you are the candidate NWO elite material.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Pinguinite (#71) (Edited)

Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?

You sound like one of those two hysterical Code Pink gals on Saturday Night Live.

"The Chair recognizes Code Pink for 6-seconds, begin"

Like WTF would you like us to do about the war? Vote it away on a sea of Obama?

#1, he isn't going to become president, and #2, he wouldn't be able to alter foreign policy if he did, especially in the Middle East. The fact that you mentioned the NWO indicates to me that, at some level, you realize that a global agenda exists that is far more powerful than one man.

Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   16:13:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Jethro Tull (#82)

Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.

If you can find any "goofy gun statement" by me, I'll redact it.

Quote me JT. Find it and post it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   16:29:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Pinguinite (#86)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Major goofy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   16:32:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Signed.... Neil
4/15/2008

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   16:43:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Pinguinite (#92)

All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A

Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man.

You're where you belong.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   17:39:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Jethro Tull (#115)

Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man.

You're where you belong.

Okay JT. If you're gonna insult me and my record, put your self in the spot light and lets see who's better.

If you've done more civil disobedience than me, fine, I have to kiss your ass. But if I've done more than you, you have to kiss my ass, and either apologize for being a hypocritical idiot OR have this thread be a permanent millstone around your neck.

If you take my deal, fess up. For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts?

Maybe you can think about that this evening on your way to the PO to get your 1040 postmarked by the midnight deadline.

Again, if you've done more than me, then I'll bow down. Ball's in your court. Let me know if you're playing or not.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   21:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Pinguinite (#130)

For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts?

The answer is ZERO, as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   21:34:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Jethro Tull (#131)

The answer is ZERO,

Well, JT, that was certainly a very quick contest. And you lose. So YOU can kiss my ass. And if you don't want to do that, then I think this is the part where I get to say two words.

FUCK YOU!

as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).

Uh-huh... I guess that would include the Constitution. Nothing but BS.

Now then, you were saying something about a BS Constitutional Right you think you have?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   22:16:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Pinguinite (#145)

Well, JT, that was certainly a very quick contest. And you lose.

No, actually I won. All that nonsense got you run out of the country while I'm literally in the lap of luxury. So, my friend, spray that tent with an extra dose of mosquito repellent, say a prayer, and hit the hay (literally).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   22:22:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Jethro Tull (#149)

All that nonsense got you run out of the country.

I can assure you I walked.

while I'm literally in the lap of luxury.

...supporting your own destroyer while complaining about him bitterly.

So, my friend, spray that tent with an extra dose of mosquito repellent, say a prayer, and hit the hay (literally).

You are truly ignorant about Ecuador. May your chains lay lightly JT....

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   22:29:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#153. To: Pinguinite (#151)

May your chains lay lightly JT....

Thanks for the warning, Jacob Marley. I'll remember it the next time I need a good laugh.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15 22:32:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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