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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#177. To: Pinguinite (#172)
At this point, I think I could name a few. lol
Not welcome Neil. You have added to the harm that has been done to 4um. That I resent. Your intent is of no interest to me, the result is. Helping to destroy what belongs to others is nothing I would be satisfied or proud of. I gave no criticisms, stating observations of a character that you are content to leave us with is hardly something to be proud of. Vulgarity as a shock treatment, would result in a Pastor to which few people listen. Combine that with a condescending message, it leaves the church nearly empty. Your choice, Christines church.
At this point, I think I could name a few. I am voting for Yertule Turtle and his grocery cart retirement plan. Makes much more sense than anything else out there. At least ya can believe in it. And the financials add up, unlike the gov's plan.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Theory A: One World Monopolist will stop the killun Theory B: Assuming Theory A is true, the Marxist gun grabber taking away our firearms for the Establishment is what we should all hope for. A SHOCKING DAY INDEED!
Yertle Turtle for President! (The lesser of 4 evils) Don`t vote - it just encourages 'em. The votes are rigged anyway. For whatever it`s worth.
Yes, destroying what belongs to others, or more to the point, destroying others, is where all this bru-ha-ha started on this thread. I refer, of course, to the role of the United States in the destruction of Iraq. War is hell, Cyni, and no words, even vulgar words, can depict it's horrors accurately. You may even know of it first hand, and if you do, you have my respect. I am thankful that I have no personal experience with how horrific it is, and I hope I remain blissfully ignorant of true war. You can choose your church, but you can't choose your war. Not when it comes to you. The people in Iraq didn't choose what's been going on there for the last 18 years. Sure some/many here believe that Obama may well simply continue the war and he may. But if there's even a small chance that they are wrong and Obama would at least scale it back, then to me that makes him a preferred candidate, particularly over McCain. You can take issue with my "poetic" choice of words in discussing war if you so wish. Intelligent people already know that vulgarity is really an illusion, a series of innocent letters or sounds which combined, trigger a trained reaction that has been programmed into our minds. But I know of no other subject that is more deserving of such language than the subject of war itself.
You mean anyone believing his claims.
Yes, in hindsight, I did mangle that a bit. I tried to paraphrase your comment from memory, but fell short. I think you knew what I meant. Spin as you need too. But the question of whether it'll be Cain, Hill, or Obama is not hypothetical. It'll be one of those 3. Any of them will help you.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html He is the only candidate remaining who will. In this instance, if you believe otherwise, allow me to point out the obvious. 1) McCain is more likely to extend the madness, rather than improve it. 2) Hillary has spent a lifetime trying to show that she has the biggest testicles on the playground. If you think for a moment she won't try to out-Thatcher Thatcher and hang in on the phony baloney War on Terror you're delusional.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
That wasn't an insult.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html We need a Church of Obama pew.. like the old Biker Bar, but make it front and center.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html It is akin to an atheist making loud obscene noises in the church of other people. It would be an in your face confrontation. Oh, well, enough for me. The dust will settle on everyone.
"Trust you?"
It would be an in your face confrontation. Oh, well, enough for me. The dust will settle on everyone. Same here.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Is there a argument in your little knee-jerk retort?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Is there an argument in your little knee-jerk retort?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Then would you care to explain why you think 4um will shut down?
Nope.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html They're not explaining that, are they? I've asked a number of times myself.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No explanation. Interesting. Are you a shill, like Cyni?
Are you a shill, like Cyni? A shill for what?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I can think of one reasonable answer. Obama is black, and for at least one person here, a black man a president would be a disaster. He'd probably vote for McCain if Obama gets the D nod, even if it means more death and destruction worldwide. That's my theory.
Not for. Against. Against 4um. There are people who hate freedom or are mere propaganda mercenaries. They've been on LP so why not here? Why do you expect 4um to close? Still staying mum?
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom? ROFLMAO! I've figured you out Ping. Why do you expect 4um to close? Still staying mum? No need to answer, you've done to yourself.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You are simply disgusting in your self-righteous mularkey.
A couple of people came over to this forum (from LP, I believe) a couple of months ago, and since then have been doing their best to disrupt it, with insults and vituperation. Their apparent purpose has been to stir up animosity.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You are not in this country now and won't have to face the repercussions of Obama winning. All three are NWOers and would hurt this nation, but Obama would do the most damage because he is a racist and is being used by the elite to cause race riots and/or wars. The elite would kill him, blame white supremacists for it and this would ignite civil unrest not seen since the civil war in America. The new President, probably Hillary, would then declare martial law and they would start confiscating everyone's weapons. This is the plan. It is as plain as day what is going on here. Maybe becasue you are living in Ecuador you can't see it, or maybe becasue you are there you don't care.
God is always good!
Unlike those of us who have been reading Neil's liberty-loving posts -- and profiting from his hard work for the cause of liberty -- for years?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Most people do that in short order. Sorry I can't quite say the same for you. I think that means you're refusing to qualify your prediction. But feel free to repair your grammar.
Like he said, those days are behind him now. So, are we having cocktails with Chertoff soon?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html We're done here.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I came over when Ron Paulians were purged from LP, I believe it was November of '07. You remember Ron Paul, the Constitutionalist? Funny, I never EVER hear you Ophiles say one thing, GOOD OR BAD, about the North American Zone...or the Union of the Americas. Why *IS* that?!
I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't.
God is always good!
People who act as if a speculative possibility is established reality are not rational.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Or, vote for Obama in the hope that a revolution breaks out and this nation gets set to order according to the Founding Fathers. I've previously stated that Hitlery as POTUS would accomplish something similar to that as her megalomania knows no bounds or decency. Obama is an amateur, and the White House is no place for amateurs.
"What we do claim is that the northern European, and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But that is the full statement of the case. They came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth. They added to it, they often enriched it, but they did not make it, and they have not yet greatly changed it. We are determined that they shall not. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. If there is any changing to be done, we will do it ourselves." Rep. William Vaile, Colorado, 1924
You are a deep cover One World Monopolist shill, as I've always asserted...period. Your cover has been blown wide open by the Establishment's Far Lefty selection.
True. He can watch it on his coconut TV.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Hey Neil. Stick a pin in PL. I want zero association with gun grabbers.
what is this shill accusation? why is it that when people disagree everyone resorts to calling them shills and trolls and claims of disruption and having an agenda of destruction of this forum? this is sick what's going on here.
When Ron Paul was still (really) in the running, I've said that unless RP wins, the country is hosed. I still believe that because of the financial crisis that continues to unfold. We agree there. Since Ecuador uses the dollar, there will be repercussions here, but granted, that has nothing to do with Obama. As for your scenario, I do predict Obama getting the D nod, but I also predict he does not choose Hillary as too many people detest the Clintons and cost him votes to McCain. He'll instead choose a moderate white guy as VP. My prediction. The life of any president is in danger. It wasn't long ago some were predicting the same fate for RP. I'm definitely paying attention. But yes, I'm definitely much more out of the way being out of the country. But I do have plenty of friends and family still there. (Peppa's accusations that I want to see Americans suffer and die are unfounded, BTW, so please disregard those claims).
The chaffe (OWMers) is being separated from the wheat (Americans)...thanks to the hopes that a Marxist selection has given them. At least on other sites, the pecker woods have the stones to brazenly admit their hopes for the North American Soviet Union.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#178. To: Pinguinite, christine, Jethro Tull, Peppa, angfle, FOH (#175)
#179. To: wudidiz (#177)
I mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t
#180. To: Cynicom (#178)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#181. To: tom007, Pinguinite, all (#179)
I am voting for Yertule Turtle and his grocery cart retirement plan.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#182. To: Cynicom (#178)
Helping to destroy what belongs to others is nothing I would be satisfied or proud of.
#183. To: Pinguinite (#141)
Anyone comparing his claim that he'd have troops out of Iraq in 1 year compared to McCain's 100 year claim would reach that conclusion.
#184. To: Pinguinite (#126)
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear. I'm sorry but your paragraph was anything but clear.
#185. To: angle, Pinguinite (#183)
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You mean anyone believing his claims.
#186. To: Pinguinite (#129)
I guess this place will be closing up shop. For someone who's not my enemy, you sure don't mind tossing insults my way.
#187. To: Cynicom (#178)
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Your choice, Christines church.
#188. To: Peppa (#187)
#189. To: iconoclast (#185)
He is the only candidate remaining who will.
#190. To: Cynicom (#188)
It is akin to an atheist making loud obscene noises in the church of other people.
#191. To: angle (#189)
"Trust you?"
#192. To: angle (#189)
"Trust you?"
#193. To: Peppa (#186)
#194. To: Pinguinite (#193)
#195. To: Pinguinite (#157)
Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins?
#196. To: Peppa (#194)
#197. To: Pinguinite (#196)
No explanation. Interesting.
#198. To: aristeides (#195)
I've asked a number of times myself.
#199. To: Peppa (#197)
A shill for what?
#200. To: Pinguinite (#199)
Not for. Against. Against 4um. There are people who hate freedom or are mere propaganda mercenaries. They've been on LP so why not here?
#201. To: Pinguinite (#199)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#202. To: Pinguinite (#199)
#203. To: Pinguinite (#157)
Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins?
#204. To: Peppa, Pinguinite (#200)
I've figured you out Ping.
#205. To: Peppa (#200)
I've figured you out Ping.
No need to answer, you've done to yourself.
#206. To: aristeides (#204)
I've figured you out Ping. Unlike those of us who have been reading Neil's liberty-loving posts -- and profiting from his hard work for the cause of liberty -- for years?
#207. To: Pinguinite (#205)
#208. To: aristeides (#202)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#209. To: Peppa (#200)
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom? ROFLMAO!
#210. To: RickyJ (#203)
This is the plan. It is as plain as day what is going on here.
#211. To: Peppa (#200)
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom?
#212. To: aristeides (#210)
People who act as if a speculative possibility is established reality are not rational.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#213. To: RickyJ (#209)
I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't.
#214. To: Pinguinite (#205)
#215. To: Pinguinite, aristeides, ALL (#196)
#216. To: RickyJ (#203)
You are not in this country now and won't have to face the repercussions of Obama winning.
The elite would kill him, blame white supremacists for it and this would ignite civil unrest not seen since the civil war in America.
Maybe becasue you are living in Ecuador you can't see it, or maybe becasue you are there you don't care.
#217. To: christine (#215)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
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