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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#212. To: aristeides (#210)
You are a deep cover One World Monopolist shill, as I've always asserted...period. Your cover has been blown wide open by the Establishment's Far Lefty selection.
True. He can watch it on his coconut TV.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Hey Neil. Stick a pin in PL. I want zero association with gun grabbers.
what is this shill accusation? why is it that when people disagree everyone resorts to calling them shills and trolls and claims of disruption and having an agenda of destruction of this forum? this is sick what's going on here.
When Ron Paul was still (really) in the running, I've said that unless RP wins, the country is hosed. I still believe that because of the financial crisis that continues to unfold. We agree there. Since Ecuador uses the dollar, there will be repercussions here, but granted, that has nothing to do with Obama. As for your scenario, I do predict Obama getting the D nod, but I also predict he does not choose Hillary as too many people detest the Clintons and cost him votes to McCain. He'll instead choose a moderate white guy as VP. My prediction. The life of any president is in danger. It wasn't long ago some were predicting the same fate for RP. I'm definitely paying attention. But yes, I'm definitely much more out of the way being out of the country. But I do have plenty of friends and family still there. (Peppa's accusations that I want to see Americans suffer and die are unfounded, BTW, so please disregard those claims).
The chaffe (OWMers) is being separated from the wheat (Americans)...thanks to the hopes that a Marxist selection has given them. At least on other sites, the pecker woods have the stones to brazenly admit their hopes for the North American Soviet Union.
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I thought every American was wicked and deserved to be disarmed while disabused because we are all responsible for the innocents that have died at the hands of our One World Monopolists in our illegal shadow government?
Don't be an idiot (oops, too late), YOU already chose one of the THREE!!! Peppa made the prediction that 4um would be shutting down. I took that as an relatively petty insult -- no big deal. But then peppa denied it was an insult. If not, then it's a serious prediction. A serious prediction that 4um would shut down? I take that as a much bigger matter than a mere insult. I asked her to explain, but she refusing to clarify. What does that mean?
Will do. Of course I'm no gun grabber.
Of course I'm no gun grabber. Of course not. You'll let someone else closer to the "Homeland" actually do the grabbing for you!
Ari, if you did go to Oxford, Harvard, Yale, or wherever, then you must have a reasonably decent memory and know that I never said any such thing.
God is always good!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...? ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44 #45. To: Pinguinite (#44) For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Wow. #46. To: Peppa (#45) I mean every word of that most sincerely. Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 14:48:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #52. To: Peppa (#47) Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug? #52. To: Peppa (#47) Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug? #56. To: angle, (#50) Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil. If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 15:34:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html No explanation. Interesting. Are you a shill, like Cyni? What does that mean?
GWB is a mass murderer and would grab your gun quicker than Obama, just as he has grabbed your liberties and ridiculed, as he put it, "the GD Constitution".
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
The Utopians have found their OWM selection. At least christine has her head on straight...
I don't like to see us all fighting among us. I'm not an Obama-supporter, but if people want to think that he might be a good guy and support him, thats great IMHO. its not as if McCain or Clinton are good alternatives either you know. Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us. he does have some wisdom as well. Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone. almost nobody is happy with these last 3 choices. some of us here proceed as if our discussion here will determine the nation's future. That is foolish.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
One thing you demonstrate is how the fascism the neocons and Bush have worked to infect this country with works. You can't even handle agreeing to disagree with someone. Someone not following your line of thought is subject to derision and insults. If you can't handle honest disagreement, then how are you trustworthy with a hand gun? It is very possible to support someone with some views different then your own. I would rather have an honest man in the White House that is forth coming with their views then have a fascist like Bush who destroys our Constitutional rights and impoverishes out country destroying the lives of his countrymen. Disagreement with someone is healthy, vilifying them and insulting them because they don't is behavior closer to a fascist mindset then it is one of someone who supports the U.S. Constitution. I agree with Neal, but even should I not, I would agree to disagree and treat him with the respect he deserves. With the respect he has earned. You need to get grounded and to seriously reconsider where you are coming from, because you are not approaching this from the stand point of an adherent to democracy and someone who cherishes out embattled constitutional form of government.
So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL
You merely prove my point. I am not angered by your attempt to insult because it is yourself whom you hurt. I've been on many forums and talked to many many people who were very formidable to argue with. So how is your attempt at character assasination over an opinion not your own going to hurt me? It only damages you, and it doesn't give me someone to debate, it shows me you more likely then not lack a foundation of familiarity with how the U.C. Constitution works and what it represents. My dear fellow interlocutor, someone who can only stand there sticking their rhetorical tongue out at me is not someone whom I worry about giving me a run for my money engaging them in debate or lively discussion in forum. Your inability to agree to disagree with someone is something that hurts you, not me. I'm sure you would say you support guns being used wisely, responsibly and with caution. They are not to brandish carelessly and just for effect. But you use other important constitutional rights foolishly and show you don't respect the freedom of speech and the responsibility having that right entails. You do not respect another's right to take issue with your views without trying to childishly mock them in an insulting manner rather then debate them respectfully or agreeing to disagree. Thanks for your post, you help reinforce and prove my point with it more then anything else. ;-)
X-15, He would be immune from criticism, and the media would be instructed accordingly. Notice here since the debate started that scrutiny is ignored.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You make a fine North American citizen, comrade.
And I am supposed to be wounded by name calling? You don't listen well. I do not support the NAU's formation. Never have, never will, and it takes more then name calling to put me on the defensive. No, if you really want to hurt me, you need to but your mind in gear and engage me in discussion or debate and to put up your rhetorical fists and then to use them with effect and responsibly. A few rhetorical tongue pokes at me don't bother me. All they do is give me a welcome opening to explain where you are wrong here on a very basic level. You are welcome to engage me in battle on this issue, so far you really haven't.
Good post, Red. I don't like it either, in spite of my own comments. Maybe that's all it is. I *AM* very fed up with his continuous slamming of Ron Paul. Seems he never misses an opportunity to grind Ron Paul into the dirt on 4um with insults about him not being as good as Moses when he took on the pharoh. That is c**p and I'm sick of reading it. Though since posting, I do remember his role in making the RP ad, so I suppose that should be considered in his favor. I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter? A very good post, Red. Thank you.
Cyni, FYI ping. Seems you might be owed an apology.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters. Ari, if you did go to Oxford, Harvard, Yale, or wherever, then you must have a reasonably decent memory and know that I never said any such thing. You made it quite clear that you think it would have been wrong to vote against Hitler. When I asked you whether it would have been right to vote against Lenin, you did not answer. Mao and Stalin are not much of a stretch. Of course, if you're now saying you would vote against them, that makes my point that sometimes it is right to vote for a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
*crickets*
You are not a deserter. You remain on the planet of your birth and are an Earthling in good standing in my book. ;-) More Americans should go to other countries and see how life is elsewhere for themselves. Part of the problem people have always had here is varying degrees of isolationism and xenophobia that is bested o fear and dehumanization of others with no good cause based on ignorance and fear that cause this sort of mindset.
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
Thanks Ferret. We've all long known one of the biggest problems with Americans in general is that they think the whole world revolves around the USA. Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
Is it warm there? Does it rain much? Are there chemtrails there?
In the Andes mountains where I am (in Quito), during the day if there's no cloud cover, then it can get warm quickly. At this altitude you can get burned quickly, in fact. It's usually sunny in the mornings. and cloudy/overcast in the afternoons. Under the clouds or in the evening a jacket is comfortable, and it can get cold. On the coast, where I lived for a year and a half, it's always warm and humid 24/7. It's usually overcast, which you want as the sun in those conditions makes you perspire instantly. But overall, it's reasonably comfortable there 9 months of the year from about April to December, and a bit steamy from Jan-March. On the coast (in Guayaquil), the rainy season runs from Jan-Mar. Heavy storms can hit then. But outside of that, it never rains. Here in Quito in rains regularly year-round. A lot is different between the sierra an the coast, culturally included. Definately a bit of political rivalry between the two also. I don't think I've yet seen one here in Quito, though I think this airspace has much pass-through airline traffic. Don't think I've seen them in Guayaquil either.
Things to do: 1. Buy plane ticket to Ecuador
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
Sounds very good, thank you.
You set 'em up, you knock 'em down, the check is in the mail.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I went to Phoenix about 17 years ago with some co-workers, idiots that wanted to go jogging up a giant pile of boulders looking for some dutch idiots treasure. I hit the water fountain before we left the parking lot, and even that was hot. I'd love to take your tour, but remember to bring plenty of strechers.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
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What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#213. To: RickyJ (#209)
I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't.
#214. To: Pinguinite (#205)
#215. To: Pinguinite, aristeides, ALL (#196)
#216. To: RickyJ (#203)
You are not in this country now and won't have to face the repercussions of Obama winning.
The elite would kill him, blame white supremacists for it and this would ignite civil unrest not seen since the civil war in America.
Maybe becasue you are living in Ecuador you can't see it, or maybe becasue you are there you don't care.
#217. To: christine (#215)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#218. To: Jethro Tull (#214)
I want zero association with gun grabbers.
#219. To: TwentyTwelve, RickyJ (#218)
#220. To: Pinguinite (#216)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#221. To: aristeides, RickyJ, TwentyTwelve (#219)
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#222. To: christine (#215)
what is this shill accusation? why is it that when people disagree everyone resorts to calling them shills and trolls and claims of disruption and having an agenda of destruction of this forum?
#223. To: Jethro Tull (#214)
Hey Neil. Stick a pin in PL. I want zero association with gun grabbers.
#224. To: Pinguinite (#223)
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#225. To: aristeides (#219)
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
#226. To: RickyJ, all, *Obama Reality Check*, christine (#203)
#227. To: Pinguinite, christine (#222)
#196. To: Peppa (#194)
#228. To: TwentyTwelve (#218)
Mass murderers agree
#229. To: FOH (#224)
#230. To: TwentyTwelve, christine (#229)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#231. To: christine (#215)
#232. To: RickyJ (#209)
"I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't."
Obama for president 2008
#233. To: Ferret Mike (#232)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#234. To: FOH (#233)
(Edited)
"So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL"
Obama for president 2008
#235. To: X-15 (#211)
Or, vote for Obama in the hope that a revolution breaks out and this nation gets set to order according to the Founding Fathers. I've previously stated that Hitlery as POTUS would accomplish something similar to that as her megalomania knows no bounds or decency. Obama is an amateur, and the White House is no place for amateurs.
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#237. To: FOH (#236)
(Edited)
Obama for president 2008
#238. To: Red Jones (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us.
Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us.
Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone.
#239. To: Red Jones, cynicom (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us. I'm not an Obama-supporter, but if people want to think that he might be a good guy and support him, thats great IMHO. its not as if McCain or Clinton are good alternatives either you know. Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us. he does have some wisdom as well. Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone. almost nobody is happy with these last 3 choices. some of us here proceed as if our discussion here will determine the nation's future. That is foolish.
#240. To: RickyJ (#225)
#241. To: FOH (#236)
Obama for president 2008
#242. To: Pinguinite (#238)
"I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter?"
Obama for president 2008
#243. To: Ferret Mike (#237)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#244. To: Ferret Mike (#242)
#245. To: Pinguinite (#244)
Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#246. To: wudidiz (#245)
(Edited)
Does it rain much?
Are there chemtrails there?
#247. To: Pinguinite (#246)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#248. To: wudidiz (#247)
#249. To: Pinguinite (#248)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#250. To: Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl (#243)
*crickets*
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#251. To: FOH, Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl, Pinguinite (#250)
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
#252. To: Pinguinite (#248)
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
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