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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
Source: American Research Group
URL Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 6837
Comments: 272

April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference

Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).

Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.

10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.


Poster Comment:

The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that:

Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions?

Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure.

There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth.

12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.

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Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion.

In "partial birth abortion" part of the infant is delivered outside the mother. A device is inserted into the infant's skull and the brains are sucked out and the skull collapsed. The the rest of the infant is extracted. There are NO live births from a partial birth abortion. You have your abortion procedures confused again. The one you are looking for is "induced labor abortion."

He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure.

This is still complete, total, utter bullshit.

Produce an Illinois law that "made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure."

Not more insane nonsense about a non-existent law. Produce that law.

As it takes a majority of two legislative bodies to produce an Illinois law, and the approval of the Governor, who were the hundreds of other legislators who purportedly voted to make "it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure," and who was the governor who signed it into law?

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-04-14   15:48:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nolu_chan (#21)

Obama voted twice to tab;e amendments to existing abortion laws that would make it illegal to just dispose of a baby born after a partial birth abortion or any other abortion for that matter. I have posted one article by Gerson from the Washington Post. I have been tracking this down in Illinois but I have no response as yet.

Hospital waste is incinerated.

If Gerson had just made this up, some of Obama's supporters in D.C. would have seen it and demanded a retraction.

I am voting for Ron Paul in November unless Bob Barr is on the Libertarian ticket.

I began posting this info on Obama to prove the point that we need more primaries and fewer caucuses.

Horse  posted on  2008-04-14   20:49:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Horse (#24)

[Horse comment to article] Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure.

[Horse #24] Obama voted twice to tab;e amendments to existing abortion laws that would make it illegal to just dispose of a baby born after a partial birth abortion or any other abortion for that matter. ... Hospital waste is incinerated.

There is no bill which makes it legal to kill "born alive" babies. Killing babies is illegal. Killing the English language is protected free speech.

Obama did not make it lawful to incinerate babies.

Using your artful phrasing, it is lawful to incinerate people. People who die are cremated all the time. It is lawful.

There is an abortion procedure which delivers the fetus or infant intact. This has, indeed, been known to deliver a baby that breathes and lives for a relatively short time. There is no medical care given to sustain the life of a non-viable infant. No effective medical care exists. That does not amount to killing babies.

As stated by your source Jill Stanek in her testimony to Congress, "The method of abortion that Christ Hospital uses is called 'induced labor abortion,' also now known as 'live birth abortion.' This type of abortion can be performed different ways, but the goal always is to cause a pregnant woman's cervix to open so that she will deliver a premature baby who dies during the birth process or soon afterward."

The goal, of course, is to deliver an unborn fetus.

In other abortions, the unborn fetus has its brains sucked out, its skull collapsed, and may be dismembered and extracted piece by piece. By the time it fully exits the mother's body, it is very dead.

An Illinois law of 2005 defines born alive "to mean the complete expulsion or extraction from the mother of an infant, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion." While any part of the baby or fetus is in utero it has not been born alive.

Babies are not born alive after a partial birth abortion. If you can document a baby that survived having its brains vacuumed out, please do so. If everything but the head is sticking out, Illinois law explicitly holds that there has been no born alive birth.

The Nebraska law was crushed by the Supreme Court in June 2000.

Obama objected to the Illinois bill because it was unconstitutional, as phrased. Illinois passing an unconstitutional law would waste time and taxpayer money as did the Nebraska law.

The Supreme Court in Carhart v. Stenberg, 530 U.S. 914 (2000), decided June 28, 2000:

Three established principles determine the issue before us.

We shall set them forth in the language of the joint opinion in Casey. First, before "viability ... the woman has a right to choose to terminate her pregnancy." Id., at 870 (plurality opinion).

Second, "a law designed to further the State's interest in fetal life which imposes an undue burden on the woman's decision before fetal viability" is unconstitutional. Id., at 877. An "undue burden is ... shorthand for the conclusion that a state regulation has the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus." Ibid.

Third, "'subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.'" Id., at 879 (quoting Roe v. Wade, supra, at 164-165).

We apply these principles to a Nebraska law banning "partial birth abortion." The statute reads as follows:

"No partial birth abortion shall be performed in this state, unless such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." Neb. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 28-328(1) (Supp. 1999).
The statute defines "partial birth abortion" as:
"an abortion procedure in which the person performing the abortion partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child and completing the delivery." § 28-326(9).
It further defines "partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child" to mean
"deliberately and intentionally delivering into the vagina a living unborn child, or a substantial portion thereof, for the purpose of performing a procedure that the person performing such procedure knows will kill the unborn child and does kill the unborn child." Ibid.
The law classifies violation of the statute as a "Class III felony" carrying a prison term of up to 20 years, and a fine of up to $25,000. §§ 28-328(2), 28-105. It also provides for the automatic revocation of a doctor's license to practice medicine in Nebraska. § 28-328(4).

We hold that this statute violates the Constitution.

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The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute, making criminal the performance of a "partial birth abortion," violates the Federal Constitution, as interpreted in

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Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973). We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons. First, the law lacks any exception "'for the preservation of the ... health of the mother.''' Casey, 505 U. S., at 879 (plurality opinion). Second, it "imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability" to choose a D&E abortion, thereby unduly burdening the right to choose abortion itself. Id., at 874.

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