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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#30. To: Horse (#24)
[Horse comment to article] Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. [Horse #24] Obama voted twice to tab;e amendments to existing abortion laws that would make it illegal to just dispose of a baby born after a partial birth abortion or any other abortion for that matter. ... Hospital waste is incinerated. There is no bill which makes it legal to kill "born alive" babies. Killing babies is illegal. Killing the English language is protected free speech. Obama did not make it lawful to incinerate babies. Using your artful phrasing, it is lawful to incinerate people. People who die are cremated all the time. It is lawful. There is an abortion procedure which delivers the fetus or infant intact. This has, indeed, been known to deliver a baby that breathes and lives for a relatively short time. There is no medical care given to sustain the life of a non-viable infant. No effective medical care exists. That does not amount to killing babies. As stated by your source Jill Stanek in her testimony to Congress, "The method of abortion that Christ Hospital uses is called 'induced labor abortion,' also now known as 'live birth abortion.' This type of abortion can be performed different ways, but the goal always is to cause a pregnant woman's cervix to open so that she will deliver a premature baby who dies during the birth process or soon afterward." The goal, of course, is to deliver an unborn fetus. In other abortions, the unborn fetus has its brains sucked out, its skull collapsed, and may be dismembered and extracted piece by piece. By the time it fully exits the mother's body, it is very dead. An Illinois law of 2005 defines born alive "to mean the complete expulsion or extraction from the mother of an infant, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion." While any part of the baby or fetus is in utero it has not been born alive. Babies are not born alive after a partial birth abortion. If you can document a baby that survived having its brains vacuumed out, please do so. If everything but the head is sticking out, Illinois law explicitly holds that there has been no born alive birth. The Nebraska law was crushed by the Supreme Court in June 2000. Obama objected to the Illinois bill because it was unconstitutional, as phrased. Illinois passing an unconstitutional law would waste time and taxpayer money as did the Nebraska law. The Supreme Court in Carhart v. Stenberg, 530 U.S. 914 (2000), decided June 28, 2000: We shall set them forth in the language of the joint opinion in Casey. First, before "viability ... the woman has a right to choose to terminate her pregnancy." Id., at 870 (plurality opinion). Second, "a law designed to further the State's interest in fetal life which imposes an undue burden on the woman's decision before fetal viability" is unconstitutional. Id., at 877. An "undue burden is ... shorthand for the conclusion that a state regulation has the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus." Ibid. Third, "'subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.'" Id., at 879 (quoting Roe v. Wade, supra, at 164-165). We apply these principles to a Nebraska law banning "partial birth abortion." The statute reads as follows: We hold that this statute violates the Constitution. * * * II The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute, making criminal the performance of a "partial birth abortion," violates the Federal Constitution, as interpreted in 930 Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973). We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons. First, the law lacks any exception "'for the preservation of the ... health of the mother.''' Casey, 505 U. S., at 879 (plurality opinion). Second, it "imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability" to choose a D&E abortion, thereby unduly burdening the right to choose abortion itself. Id., at 874.
She is not going to pull a 20 percent win in Pennsylvania. The way polls and election results gets skewed in this world where results trump honesty and doing things ethically one truly never knows what to expect. But Pennsylvania has not seen that huge of a change in that short of a time so close to the primary election. That is ridiculous and as you say, a win there is not going to make the super delegates dread long months of waiting in trepidation for the next Bill Blooper, story about management problems with her campaign, or stop people from slowly recalling the down side of the Hil-Billy years. This story does not bother me. I like Obama, and still support him getting the nomination.
"If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion." ---Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court delivered his opinion on charging captured Confederate officers with treason
Louis Armstrong - Danny Kaye They probably will save the death star scene for the convention, but I am sure this next week will see the Clinton attack dogs of war unleashed this next week in ways this primary season has not witnessed yet. Even still, this primary is not going to send either candidate to the political here after. Though people tired of the commercials probably will wish they would go there and leave them in peace.
You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.
Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.
Okay, we'll have to wait and see. Obama, however, can lose all the remaining states and still take the nomination. All that's required is he not lose that badly. The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point. Obama's had lots of attention but I think if it starts to look like Hillary has a chance again, her own hypocrisy and policies will be back in the light. Odds still strongly favor Obama, according to the people willing to put money on the election.
The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush.
Then just to insult the Obamaphiles, Clinton will make McKooK Sec. Def. Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Amen.
No it isn't. The super delegates are part of the equation and they will favor the most electable candidate, which right now sure the heck isn't Obama. Also Florida and Michigan lost their say by moving their primaries up and both of those states would have gone to Hillary. Hillary will get the nomination barring some major blunder on her part before the convention. The Obama followers can throw fits and riot, but that is the most likely outcome right now. Not like I really give a crap either way. But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom and it makes me sick. Having their adopted poster boy go down to defeat would serve them right.
God is always good!
Question is, were they ever pro-freedom? I don't believe people just toss their principles at the drop of a hat.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush. Tell that to the people betting money on the outcome. They have an irritating way of being accurate.
Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing. As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.
Wow.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I mean every word of that most sincerely.
Disarming a nation brings more death. But, I believe you are certainly sincere.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
At the expense? How do you figure? the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug?
And guess which nation is the international thug? If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Mildly colorful slam. But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
I agree completely. But guess what we DON'T have!!!
If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
"...It is well known that violence is always utilized by the ruling classes to repress the peoples and to try to maintain the regime of exploitation and privilege; this obliges the people to resort to their own violence, only by means of which is it possible to crush the reactionary conspiracy and to set up the revolutionary power of the working class and peasants, who are defending and fighting for the interests of the whole people and the Nation... Central Organ of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador http://www.mltranslations.org/Ecuador/34anniv.htm
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you miss my point, but if that's your position, so be it.
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment, while sitting in Ecuador...how far are you from Paraguay?
I have as much to do with international tyranny as your next door neighbor. You, on the other hand, can now add gun grabber to your CV. Congrats, you should have paid the few bucks in taxes you owed and stayed semi-normal.
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war. I won't.
If I see you shooting innocents, yes, count on me to shoot you first. And I won't give a damn fuck about your right to bear arms then!
I won't. And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter. I thought you were better than that.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
Who in their Left freaking mind is voting for that Traitorous asshat?!
When did you lose your mind? The more I am around you, the less respect for who I thought you were is.
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new. Same s**t, different millennium...
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway. But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without. As foreign nations continue to buy us on the cheap, consider, that veiled benevolence will cease. That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable. I'm really shocked at that. You would not continue to maintain a site that promoted such, IMO. I really don't understand, but then, maybe I do.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
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"No partial birth abortion shall be performed in this state, unless such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." Neb. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 28-328(1) (Supp. 1999).
The statute defines "partial birth abortion" as: "an abortion procedure in which the person performing the abortion partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child and completing the delivery." § 28-326(9).
It further defines "partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child" to mean "deliberately and intentionally delivering into the vagina a living unborn child, or a substantial portion thereof, for the purpose of performing a procedure that the person performing such procedure knows will kill the unborn child and does kill the unborn child." Ibid.
The law classifies violation of the statute as a "Class III felony" carrying a prison term of up to 20 years, and a fine of up to $25,000. §§ 28-328(2), 28-105. It also provides for the automatic revocation of a doctor's license to practice medicine in Nebraska. § 28-328(4).
#31. To: Pinguinite (#28)
Obama for president 2008
#32. To: Horse (#0)
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.
#33. To: X-15 (#32)
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Obama for president 2008
#34. To: Pinguinite (#28)
Winning by that much in PA would likely only prolong her trainwreck.
#35. To: angle, Pinguinite (#34)
You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.
#36. To: Vitamin Z, angle (#35)
Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point
#38. To: Cynicom (#7)
It will be Clinton/Obama in Nov, with an easy win.
#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#38)
Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
#40. To: Vitamin Z, *Obama Reality Check* (#39)
ping
#41. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point.
#42. To: RickyJ (#41)
But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom .......
#43. To: Vitamin Z (#37)
#44. To: RickyJ (#41)
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#46. To: Peppa (#45)
#47. To: Pinguinite (#46)
I mean every word of that most sincerely.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.
#52. To: Peppa (#47)
Disarming a nation brings more death.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)
Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
#55. To: lodwick (#49)
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
#56. To: angle, (#50)
Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
#57. To: Peppa (#51)
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
#58. To: Pinguinite (#52)
And guess which nation is the international thug?
#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
#60. To: Peppa (#53)
#61. To: Pinguinite (#56)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#62. To: Pinguinite (#54)
But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
#63. To: Peppa (#59)
And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
#64. To: FOH (#61)
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment.
#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
#66. To: Peppa (#65)
And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.
#67. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#68. To: Pinguinite (#64)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#69. To: Peppa (#65)
I thought you were better than that.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)
And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
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