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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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American Research Group
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#36. To: Vitamin Z, angle (#35)
Okay, we'll have to wait and see. Obama, however, can lose all the remaining states and still take the nomination. All that's required is he not lose that badly. The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point. Obama's had lots of attention but I think if it starts to look like Hillary has a chance again, her own hypocrisy and policies will be back in the light. Odds still strongly favor Obama, according to the people willing to put money on the election.
The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush.
Then just to insult the Obamaphiles, Clinton will make McKooK Sec. Def. Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Amen.
No it isn't. The super delegates are part of the equation and they will favor the most electable candidate, which right now sure the heck isn't Obama. Also Florida and Michigan lost their say by moving their primaries up and both of those states would have gone to Hillary. Hillary will get the nomination barring some major blunder on her part before the convention. The Obama followers can throw fits and riot, but that is the most likely outcome right now. Not like I really give a crap either way. But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom and it makes me sick. Having their adopted poster boy go down to defeat would serve them right.
God is always good!
Question is, were they ever pro-freedom? I don't believe people just toss their principles at the drop of a hat.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush. Tell that to the people betting money on the outcome. They have an irritating way of being accurate.
Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing. As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.
Wow.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I mean every word of that most sincerely.
Disarming a nation brings more death. But, I believe you are certainly sincere.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
At the expense? How do you figure? the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug?
And guess which nation is the international thug? If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Mildly colorful slam. But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
I agree completely. But guess what we DON'T have!!!
If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
"...It is well known that violence is always utilized by the ruling classes to repress the peoples and to try to maintain the regime of exploitation and privilege; this obliges the people to resort to their own violence, only by means of which is it possible to crush the reactionary conspiracy and to set up the revolutionary power of the working class and peasants, who are defending and fighting for the interests of the whole people and the Nation... Central Organ of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador http://www.mltranslations.org/Ecuador/34anniv.htm
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you miss my point, but if that's your position, so be it.
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment, while sitting in Ecuador...how far are you from Paraguay?
I have as much to do with international tyranny as your next door neighbor. You, on the other hand, can now add gun grabber to your CV. Congrats, you should have paid the few bucks in taxes you owed and stayed semi-normal.
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war. I won't.
If I see you shooting innocents, yes, count on me to shoot you first. And I won't give a damn fuck about your right to bear arms then!
I won't. And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter. I thought you were better than that.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
Who in their Left freaking mind is voting for that Traitorous asshat?!
When did you lose your mind? The more I am around you, the less respect for who I thought you were is.
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new. Same s**t, different millennium...
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway. But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without. As foreign nations continue to buy us on the cheap, consider, that veiled benevolence will cease. That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable. I'm really shocked at that. You would not continue to maintain a site that promoted such, IMO. I really don't understand, but then, maybe I do.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today? Yes, people are dying getting murdered by this administration, and all you care about is some legislation in Congress. You can keep your damn guns no matter what the laws say. If you lived in Ecuador, you'd understand that. And if you consent to setting loose the dogs of war on innocents just so you can have a paper right to guns, then you are the candidate NWO elite material.
Same s**t, different millennium... Yeah. Something is up.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ping... Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement.
I'm not an EC citizen. You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming. Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop. Apparently I'm alone on that score.
Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement. Okay, well, lets try putting it in reverse. There, is that better?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestYep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point
#38. To: Cynicom (#7)
It will be Clinton/Obama in Nov, with an easy win.
#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#38)
Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
#40. To: Vitamin Z, *Obama Reality Check* (#39)
ping
#41. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point.
#42. To: RickyJ (#41)
But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom .......
#43. To: Vitamin Z (#37)
#44. To: RickyJ (#41)
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#46. To: Peppa (#45)
#47. To: Pinguinite (#46)
I mean every word of that most sincerely.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.
#52. To: Peppa (#47)
Disarming a nation brings more death.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)
Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
#55. To: lodwick (#49)
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
#56. To: angle, (#50)
Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
#57. To: Peppa (#51)
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
#58. To: Pinguinite (#52)
And guess which nation is the international thug?
#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
#60. To: Peppa (#53)
#61. To: Pinguinite (#56)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#62. To: Pinguinite (#54)
But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
#63. To: Peppa (#59)
And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
#64. To: FOH (#61)
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment.
#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
#66. To: Peppa (#65)
And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.
#67. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#68. To: Pinguinite (#64)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#69. To: Peppa (#65)
I thought you were better than that.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)
And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
#71. To: All (#66)
#72. To: FOH (#69)
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#74. To: Pinguinite (#71)
You are in a blind rage and making WILD ASS STONER ASSUMPTIONS...
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#75. To: Peppa (#70)
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway.
But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without.
That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable.
#76. To: Cynicom (#73)
It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
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