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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
Source: American Research Group
URL Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2374
Comments: 272

April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference

Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).

Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.

10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.


Poster Comment:

The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that:

Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions?

Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure.

There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth.

12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.

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#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#38)

Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Amen.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-15   12:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Vitamin Z, *Obama Reality Check* (#39)

ping

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   13:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Pinguinite (#36)

The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point.

No it isn't. The super delegates are part of the equation and they will favor the most electable candidate, which right now sure the heck isn't Obama. Also Florida and Michigan lost their say by moving their primaries up and both of those states would have gone to Hillary. Hillary will get the nomination barring some major blunder on her part before the convention. The Obama followers can throw fits and riot, but that is the most likely outcome right now.

Not like I really give a crap either way. But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom and it makes me sick. Having their adopted poster boy go down to defeat would serve them right.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-15   13:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: RickyJ (#41)

But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom .......

Question is, were they ever pro-freedom? I don't believe people just toss their principles at the drop of a hat.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   14:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Vitamin Z (#37)

The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush.

Tell that to the people betting money on the outcome. They have an irritating way of being accurate.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   14:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: RickyJ (#41)

Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing.

As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   14:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Wow.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   14:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Peppa (#45)

I mean every word of that most sincerely.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   14:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Pinguinite (#46)

I mean every word of that most sincerely.

Disarming a nation brings more death. But, I believe you are certainly sincere.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   14:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   15:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.

Lod  posted on  2008-04-15   15:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

At the expense? How do you figure?

the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

angle  posted on  2008-04-15   15:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)

Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.

Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Peppa (#47)

Disarming a nation brings more death.

If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.

And guess which nation is the international thug?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)

Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.

And guess which nation is the international thug?

If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.

Mildly colorful slam. But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lodwick (#49)

Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.

I agree completely.

But guess what we DON'T have!!!

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: angle, (#50)

Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.

If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what....

YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!!

Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Peppa (#51)

Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.

Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Pinguinite (#52)

And guess which nation is the international thug?

"...It is well known that violence is always utilized by the ruling classes to repress the peoples and to try to maintain the regime of exploitation and privilege; this obliges the people to resort to their own violence, only by means of which is it possible to crush the reactionary conspiracy and to set up the revolutionary power of the working class and peasants, who are defending and fighting for the interests of the whole people and the Nation...

Central Organ of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador http://www.mltranslations.org/Ecuador/34anniv.htm

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)

Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?

And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Peppa (#53)

If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.

Perhaps you miss my point, but if that's your position, so be it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Pinguinite (#56)

You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment, while sitting in Ecuador...how far are you from Paraguay?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   15:38:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Pinguinite (#54)

But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.

I have as much to do with international tyranny as your next door neighbor. You, on the other hand, can now add gun grabber to your CV. Congrats, you should have paid the few bucks in taxes you owed and stayed semi-normal.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-15   15:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Peppa (#59)

And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.

Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.

I won't.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FOH (#61)

You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment.

If I see you shooting innocents, yes, count on me to shoot you first. And I won't give a damn fuck about your right to bear arms then!

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)

Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.

I won't.

And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter.

I thought you were better than that.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Peppa (#65)

And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.

And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Pinguinite (#63)

Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.

McNorthAmericanUnioner?

Who in their Left freaking mind is voting for that Traitorous asshat?!


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   15:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pinguinite (#64)

When did you lose your mind?

The more I am around you, the less respect for who I thought you were is.


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   15:47:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Peppa (#65)

I thought you were better than that.

Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new.

Same s**t, different millennium...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   15:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)

And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.

No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway. But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without.

As foreign nations continue to buy us on the cheap, consider, that veiled benevolence will cease.

That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable. I'm really shocked at that. You would not continue to maintain a site that promoted such, IMO.

I really don't understand, but then, maybe I do.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: All (#66)

Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?

Yes, people are dying getting murdered by this administration, and all you care about is some legislation in Congress.

You can keep your damn guns no matter what the laws say. If you lived in Ecuador, you'd understand that. And if you consent to setting loose the dogs of war on innocents just so you can have a paper right to guns, then you are the candidate NWO elite material.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FOH (#69)

Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new.

Same s**t, different millennium...

Yeah. Something is up.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   15:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Pinguinite (#44)

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

Ping...

Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-15   15:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Pinguinite (#71)

You are in a blind rage and making WILD ASS STONER ASSUMPTIONS...


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   15:53:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Peppa (#70)

No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway.

I'm not an EC citizen.

But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without.

You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming.

That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable.

Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop.

Apparently I'm alone on that score.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#73)

Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement.

Okay, well, lets try putting it in reverse.

It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.

There, is that better?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-15   15:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Pinguinite (#75)

Who is going to stop the killun? McCheClinton?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   16:00:00 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Pinguinite (#75)

I'm not an EC citizen.

Didn't know, wasn't sure, either way, is fine by me.

You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming.

Yes, I understand that.

Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop.

And only outlaws keep guns. The innocents are disarmed. You know that.

And yes, 'we' are aware there is a war going on. I have 3 cousins, very young, snagged up in that, and one home a year now with an injury the gov. will not treat.

You think we don't know what the con is?

Again, if you believe that sacrificing liberties, will ensure security here, there, or anywhere, you might have lost a lesson of the Founding Fathers in school.

You may not want war, but it want's you.

That you should imagine that less freedom is an even exchange, is confusing.

Have you family in Iraq, Afgh, too? Are there not bases everywhere to ensure your obedience to the ruling class?

Pin, I'm not your enemy.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

Peppa  posted on  2008-04-15   16:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Pinguinite (#76)

LOLOL!

Dude, put down the joint and get real.

HOW did you manage to go from Ron Paul Constutitutionalist anti-Middle East Union / African Union wars to Obama Marxist gun-grabber AND then tie these two things (grabbing my guns - anti RKBA & killing people in the Middle East) together?

LSD? Local buzz material? Killah Gonge?


What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!

FOH  posted on  2008-04-15   16:03:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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