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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)
At the expense? How do you figure? the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug?
And guess which nation is the international thug? If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Mildly colorful slam. But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
I agree completely. But guess what we DON'T have!!!
If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
"...It is well known that violence is always utilized by the ruling classes to repress the peoples and to try to maintain the regime of exploitation and privilege; this obliges the people to resort to their own violence, only by means of which is it possible to crush the reactionary conspiracy and to set up the revolutionary power of the working class and peasants, who are defending and fighting for the interests of the whole people and the Nation... Central Organ of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador http://www.mltranslations.org/Ecuador/34anniv.htm
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you miss my point, but if that's your position, so be it.
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment, while sitting in Ecuador...how far are you from Paraguay?
I have as much to do with international tyranny as your next door neighbor. You, on the other hand, can now add gun grabber to your CV. Congrats, you should have paid the few bucks in taxes you owed and stayed semi-normal.
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war. I won't.
If I see you shooting innocents, yes, count on me to shoot you first. And I won't give a damn fuck about your right to bear arms then!
I won't. And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter. I thought you were better than that.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
Who in their Left freaking mind is voting for that Traitorous asshat?!
When did you lose your mind? The more I am around you, the less respect for who I thought you were is.
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new. Same s**t, different millennium...
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway. But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without. As foreign nations continue to buy us on the cheap, consider, that veiled benevolence will cease. That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable. I'm really shocked at that. You would not continue to maintain a site that promoted such, IMO. I really don't understand, but then, maybe I do.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today? Yes, people are dying getting murdered by this administration, and all you care about is some legislation in Congress. You can keep your damn guns no matter what the laws say. If you lived in Ecuador, you'd understand that. And if you consent to setting loose the dogs of war on innocents just so you can have a paper right to guns, then you are the candidate NWO elite material.
Same s**t, different millennium... Yeah. Something is up.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ping... Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement.
I'm not an EC citizen. You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming. Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop. Apparently I'm alone on that score.
Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement. Okay, well, lets try putting it in reverse. There, is that better?
Didn't know, wasn't sure, either way, is fine by me. You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming. Yes, I understand that. Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop. And only outlaws keep guns. The innocents are disarmed. You know that. And yes, 'we' are aware there is a war going on. I have 3 cousins, very young, snagged up in that, and one home a year now with an injury the gov. will not treat. You think we don't know what the con is? Again, if you believe that sacrificing liberties, will ensure security here, there, or anywhere, you might have lost a lesson of the Founding Fathers in school. You may not want war, but it want's you. That you should imagine that less freedom is an even exchange, is confusing. Have you family in Iraq, Afgh, too? Are there not bases everywhere to ensure your obedience to the ruling class? Pin, I'm not your enemy.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html LOLOL! Dude, put down the joint and get real. HOW did you manage to go from Ron Paul Constutitutionalist anti-Middle East Union / African Union wars to Obama Marxist gun-grabber AND then tie these two things (grabbing my guns - anti RKBA & killing people in the Middle East) together? LSD? Local buzz material? Killah Gonge? Ping... No need for vulgar language, most of us have heard it too many times already. A lot of GOOD people have indeed died that you may rant and rave here at the stupidity of the rest of us. Not a person on this earth is able to be free and walk around unharmed unless there is FORCE to ensure it. Those men in suits and sunglsses that are in the crowd around Obama have guns and will kill you if you go near Obama. Evil abounds, Obama needs protection and so do you.
There, is that better? Innocents have always died because of evil. What part of evil is it that you do not understand? Evil will always walk this earth and sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away.
You sound like one of those two hysterical Code Pink gals on Saturday Night Live. "The Chair recognizes Code Pink for 6-seconds, begin" Like WTF would you like us to do about the war? Vote it away on a sea of Obama? #1, he isn't going to become president, and #2, he wouldn't be able to alter foreign policy if he did, especially in the Middle East. The fact that you mentioned the NWO indicates to me that, at some level, you realize that a global agenda exists that is far more powerful than one man. Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
You think I'm promoting gun bans? I'm absolutely NOT doing that. Very sorry to hear that. I myself got a friend going in later this year for his first tour. I'm not promoting the sacrifice of liberties. To the contrary I'm promoting liberties. It seems what's different is I'm promoting them for everyone. What's the problem here? All I said was that killing innocent people is NOT a proper means to secure rights and everyone accuses me of being a communist!! I have no idea what you mean here. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure.
Ummmm.... Cyni...?? Your post doesn't match my comment at all.
Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war. I don't know of one person that thinks that is okay. Maybe Freepers, and the kill them all and let Allah sort it out crowd, but not me, and no one I've seen here. What's the problem here? All I said was that killing innocent people is NOT a proper means to secure rights and everyone accuses me of being a communist!! I guess I didn't see anyone accuse you of being a commie.. But commies and marxists want a disarmed society. So by extention, supporting a candidate(s) that furthers the elimination of the 2A, a bite at a time, is communisim growing stronger a bite at a time. I have no idea what you mean here. I mean, that governments are run by the ruling class. To ensure their protection, they disarm and repress their own citzenry from rebellion. Pin, I'm not your enemy. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure. We are in a do or die period of history here. Nerves are rattled.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you can find any "goofy gun statement" by me, I'll redact it. Quote me JT. Find it and post it.
Not intended to. Evil will always be with us. Expecting only good from man and government is sticking ones head in the sand.
Major goofy.
you're the one among us that has stood up against them IMHO the most. and you've been the most successful at it. though obviously they are not defeated. and you've paid a price. a lot of people respect you for it - a lot. I don't blame Robin & others for supporting obama a bit. he's not as proven to be slime like the others. I remember some basic bible lessons, that with god on our side we cannot be defeated. and when He joins the fight, that is when we'll win. but before that happens man's inability to rule on this earth will be demonstrated so that all can see. to facilitate a maximum choice among us all of either life or death. the one who made us respects perseverence & long-suffering. There can be great fruits come from this. a man that can master the software tools as you've done and at the same time be a real lawyer as you are, that is a man who has worked very hard for a long period of time with very tremendous talent and intelligence as well to make it happen. If you'd been a typical man who'd done that in our country, then you'd make a half million a year every year up here and loaf at the same time. We respect you for living in Ecuador and doing the things you've done. I know what it's like to write software, as I've done it, and I can tell from your work and the way you talk that you are top-of-the-line. I wish I had the money to hire you to work on a new project, but I don't. I would like to know what software to study so I can write stuff like what you've wrote though. as you know 99+% of the people don't take the principled stands that you've done. and of those few who did like you very few were able to make it work as well as you. its been a rugged road, but you've come through it far better than almost anyone else would've. I know this, yet I know little about you. because believe me others have paid a high price too, others have similar stories too and paid high prices too, that's something I personally know. but none more magnificantly than you. hope I haven't upset you or embarassed you. sorry if I have. but you seem a little out-of-sorts today. and you're our hero. we don't want that to happen.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestFor us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.
#52. To: Peppa (#47)
Disarming a nation brings more death.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)
Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
#55. To: lodwick (#49)
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
#56. To: angle, (#50)
Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
#57. To: Peppa (#51)
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
#58. To: Pinguinite (#52)
And guess which nation is the international thug?
#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
#60. To: Peppa (#53)
#61. To: Pinguinite (#56)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#62. To: Pinguinite (#54)
But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
#63. To: Peppa (#59)
And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
#64. To: FOH (#61)
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment.
#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
#66. To: Peppa (#65)
And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.
#67. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#68. To: Pinguinite (#64)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#69. To: Peppa (#65)
I thought you were better than that.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)
And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
#71. To: All (#66)
#72. To: FOH (#69)
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#74. To: Pinguinite (#71)
You are in a blind rage and making WILD ASS STONER ASSUMPTIONS...
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#75. To: Peppa (#70)
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway.
But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without.
That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable.
#76. To: Cynicom (#73)
It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
#77. To: Pinguinite (#75)
Who is going to stop the killun? McCheClinton?
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#78. To: Pinguinite (#75)
I'm not an EC citizen.
#79. To: Pinguinite (#76)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#80. To: Pinguinite (#71)
Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?
#81. To: Pinguinite (#76)
It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
#82. To: Pinguinite (#71)
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Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?
#83. To: Peppa (#78)
And only outlaws keep guns. The innocents are disarmed. You know that.
And yes, 'we' are aware there is a war going on. I have 3 cousins, very young, snagged up in that, and one home a year now with an injury the gov. will not treat.
Again, if you believe that sacrificing liberties, will ensure security here, there, or anywhere, you might have lost a lesson of the Founding Fathers in school.
That you should imagine that less freedom is an even exchange, is confusing.
Have you family in Iraq, Afgh, too? Are there not bases everywhere to ensure your obedience to the ruling class?
Pin, I'm not your enemy.
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
Evil will always walk this earth and sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away.
#85. To: Pinguinite (#83)
I'm not promoting the sacrifice of liberties. To the contrary I'm promoting liberties. It seems what's different is I'm promoting them for everyone.
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
#87. To: Pinguinite (#84)
Your post doesn't match my comment at all.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#86)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
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If you aren't for Obama, you're a McInnocentKiller apparently...
/Pinguinite (and the Obamination on Obama4um.com)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#90. To: Pinguinite (#54)
Mildly colorful slam.
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