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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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The SUSA poll a week ago had her with an 18-point lead. I have always assumed she would win Pennsylvania by about 20 points and, frankly, she has to do so.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
We white trash here in Pa. did in fact take offense to the words of Obama. Obama better take his seat in the back of the bus or he will be walking politically.
ISRA Blasts Candidate Obama on His Record of Hostility Toward Law- Abiding Firearm Owners From:U.S. Newswire Date:August 24, 2004 CHICAGO, Aug. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA): The ISRA is warning the state's 1.5 million law-abiding firearm owners not to be taken in by Barack Obama's recent claims of support for the 2nd Amendment published in downstate newspapers. Obama, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, has a well- established history of hostility toward hunters, sportsmen, and other law-abiding firearm owners. For example, in 2003, Obama voted in support of SB1195, which, if passed, would have banned most of the privately held hunting shotguns, target rifles, and black powder rifles in the state. If the ban was enacted, law enforcement officials would have been authorized to forcibly enter private homes to confiscate newly banned firearms. Fortunately, very few Illinois Senators shared Obama's extremist view on private firearm ownership and the bill was defeated. More recently, Obama cast a total of 4 votes in opposition to SB2165. SB2165 was drafted to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion. Once again, Obama found himself on the wrong side of the issue as overwhelming majorities of both the House and the Senate voted in favor of this important legislation. Obama's steadfast opposition to SB2165 is indicative of his misplaced priorities on issues of self-defense and personal firearm ownership. Adding even further skepticism to Obama's claim of support for the 2nd Amendment is his previous service as a director of the Joyce Foundation. Since 2000, the Joyce Foundation has provided over $15 Million in funding to radical gun control organizations such as the Violence Policy Center and the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. The Joyce Foundation is tightly linked to the Soros Open Society Institute -- an extremist group that advocates a worldwide ban on civilian firearm ownership. Certainly, Barack Obama would not have been invited to sit on the board of the Joyce Foundation had he not held similar views on private firearm ownership. ------ The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and responsible firearms ownership. For over a century, the ISRA has represented the interests of over 1.5 million law-abiding Illinois firearm owners.
The fix is "in". Assuming Hitlery emergences victorious in PA then the scenario I have suggested before will likely play out i.e., that after a grueling "hard fought" campaign that Hitlery will emerge as the nominee sweeping into orofice as "the It makes for great theatre to gull the gullible.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Exactamundo Watson!
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
It will be Clinton/Obama in Nov, with an easy win. Then just to insult the Obamaphiles, Clinton will make McKooK Sec. Def.
Then just to insult the Obamaphiles, Clinton will make McKooK Sec. Def. Maybe. She might appoint McInsane as "Secretary of State".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
OI... Just for fun consider this... If Obama wins, McKooK takes Clinton on board as VP. Sure winner as pundits say over a third of clinton voters will vote McKooK if Obama wins.
That would probably win, and then McInsane would have to retire due to "health concerns" leaving Hitlery as Preznit. However, it might be too discordant with the ongoing PsyOps manipulations controlling public perception and reaction. Of course I have misunderestimated the gullibility of the Sheeple before.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. Yes and Yes. But he is viewed as the more decent and good soul.
Ack! Maybe just Sect'y of Marbles. That's a big enough job for him. He can line up his marbles and speak to them as 'his friends'.
You guys' scenarios are making me wonder if it's not 5PM somewhere in the world.
what do you think the blacks will do if Obama loses the nom to Hillary?
Vote for Hillary.
Assuming Hitlery emergences victorious in PA then the scenario I have suggested before will likely play out i.e., that after a grueling "hard fought" campaign that Hitlery will emerge as the nominee sweeping into orofice as "the people's Rothschild's choice". It makes for great theatre to gull the gullible. LOL. All these Obamaphiles wasting all this time and effort campaigning for a loser...you'd think they would have learned by now.
Some of them may riot.
God is always good!
Vote Republican? It has to be carefully sold. Obummer will probably make a "gracious concession speech" encouraging support of Hitlery and then Hitlery will name him as her "running mate".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This has been cast in stone for a long time. Clinton/Obummer is a winner.
McCain can beat both of them. Two socialists puppets vs a neo-nazi puppet and Huck, we are doomed.
God is always good!
Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. In "partial birth abortion" part of the infant is delivered outside the mother. A device is inserted into the infant's skull and the brains are sucked out and the skull collapsed. The the rest of the infant is extracted. There are NO live births from a partial birth abortion. You have your abortion procedures confused again. The one you are looking for is "induced labor abortion." He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. This is still complete, total, utter bullshit. Produce an Illinois law that "made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure." Not more insane nonsense about a non-existent law. Produce that law. As it takes a majority of two legislative bodies to produce an Illinois law, and the approval of the Governor, who were the hundreds of other legislators who purportedly voted to make "it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure," and who was the governor who signed it into law?
Great if you like tragedies.
Clinton / Gore wins in a landslide.
Obama voted twice to tab;e amendments to existing abortion laws that would make it illegal to just dispose of a baby born after a partial birth abortion or any other abortion for that matter. I have posted one article by Gerson from the Washington Post. I have been tracking this down in Illinois but I have no response as yet. Hospital waste is incinerated. If Gerson had just made this up, some of Obama's supporters in D.C. would have seen it and demanded a retraction. I am voting for Ron Paul in November unless Bob Barr is on the Libertarian ticket. I began posting this info on Obama to prove the point that we need more primaries and fewer caucuses.
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Great if you like tragedies. Kind of like a second rate Shakespearean production. Hitlery would make a great "Lady MacBeth". Actually it was intended with a touch of sarcasm.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
PA is a major hunting state. I think they close the schools on the first day of hunting season in PA.
I have always assumed she would win Pennsylvania by about 20 points and, frankly, she has to do so. She has to do more than that. She's got win by that much in pretty much all the remaining states. She won't. Winning by that much in PA would likely only prolong her trainwreck.
That would be fine with Rush, Hannity and O'Really, since Hillary would be a Republican then.
[Horse comment to article] Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. [Horse #24] Obama voted twice to tab;e amendments to existing abortion laws that would make it illegal to just dispose of a baby born after a partial birth abortion or any other abortion for that matter. ... Hospital waste is incinerated. There is no bill which makes it legal to kill "born alive" babies. Killing babies is illegal. Killing the English language is protected free speech. Obama did not make it lawful to incinerate babies. Using your artful phrasing, it is lawful to incinerate people. People who die are cremated all the time. It is lawful. There is an abortion procedure which delivers the fetus or infant intact. This has, indeed, been known to deliver a baby that breathes and lives for a relatively short time. There is no medical care given to sustain the life of a non-viable infant. No effective medical care exists. That does not amount to killing babies. As stated by your source Jill Stanek in her testimony to Congress, "The method of abortion that Christ Hospital uses is called 'induced labor abortion,' also now known as 'live birth abortion.' This type of abortion can be performed different ways, but the goal always is to cause a pregnant woman's cervix to open so that she will deliver a premature baby who dies during the birth process or soon afterward." The goal, of course, is to deliver an unborn fetus. In other abortions, the unborn fetus has its brains sucked out, its skull collapsed, and may be dismembered and extracted piece by piece. By the time it fully exits the mother's body, it is very dead. An Illinois law of 2005 defines born alive "to mean the complete expulsion or extraction from the mother of an infant, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion." While any part of the baby or fetus is in utero it has not been born alive. Babies are not born alive after a partial birth abortion. If you can document a baby that survived having its brains vacuumed out, please do so. If everything but the head is sticking out, Illinois law explicitly holds that there has been no born alive birth. The Nebraska law was crushed by the Supreme Court in June 2000. Obama objected to the Illinois bill because it was unconstitutional, as phrased. Illinois passing an unconstitutional law would waste time and taxpayer money as did the Nebraska law. The Supreme Court in Carhart v. Stenberg, 530 U.S. 914 (2000), decided June 28, 2000: We shall set them forth in the language of the joint opinion in Casey. First, before "viability ... the woman has a right to choose to terminate her pregnancy." Id., at 870 (plurality opinion). Second, "a law designed to further the State's interest in fetal life which imposes an undue burden on the woman's decision before fetal viability" is unconstitutional. Id., at 877. An "undue burden is ... shorthand for the conclusion that a state regulation has the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus." Ibid. Third, "'subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.'" Id., at 879 (quoting Roe v. Wade, supra, at 164-165). We apply these principles to a Nebraska law banning "partial birth abortion." The statute reads as follows: We hold that this statute violates the Constitution. * * * II The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute, making criminal the performance of a "partial birth abortion," violates the Federal Constitution, as interpreted in 930 Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), and Roe v. Wade, 410 U. S. 113 (1973). We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons. First, the law lacks any exception "'for the preservation of the ... health of the mother.''' Casey, 505 U. S., at 879 (plurality opinion). Second, it "imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability" to choose a D&E abortion, thereby unduly burdening the right to choose abortion itself. Id., at 874.
She is not going to pull a 20 percent win in Pennsylvania. The way polls and election results gets skewed in this world where results trump honesty and doing things ethically one truly never knows what to expect. But Pennsylvania has not seen that huge of a change in that short of a time so close to the primary election. That is ridiculous and as you say, a win there is not going to make the super delegates dread long months of waiting in trepidation for the next Bill Blooper, story about management problems with her campaign, or stop people from slowly recalling the down side of the Hil-Billy years. This story does not bother me. I like Obama, and still support him getting the nomination.
"If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion." ---Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court delivered his opinion on charging captured Confederate officers with treason
Louis Armstrong - Danny Kaye They probably will save the death star scene for the convention, but I am sure this next week will see the Clinton attack dogs of war unleashed this next week in ways this primary season has not witnessed yet. Even still, this primary is not going to send either candidate to the political here after. Though people tired of the commercials probably will wish they would go there and leave them in peace.
You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.
Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.
Okay, we'll have to wait and see. Obama, however, can lose all the remaining states and still take the nomination. All that's required is he not lose that badly. The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point. Obama's had lots of attention but I think if it starts to look like Hillary has a chance again, her own hypocrisy and policies will be back in the light. Odds still strongly favor Obama, according to the people willing to put money on the election.
The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush.
Then just to insult the Obamaphiles, Clinton will make McKooK Sec. Def. Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Amen.
No it isn't. The super delegates are part of the equation and they will favor the most electable candidate, which right now sure the heck isn't Obama. Also Florida and Michigan lost their say by moving their primaries up and both of those states would have gone to Hillary. Hillary will get the nomination barring some major blunder on her part before the convention. The Obama followers can throw fits and riot, but that is the most likely outcome right now. Not like I really give a crap either way. But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom and it makes me sick. Having their adopted poster boy go down to defeat would serve them right.
God is always good!
Question is, were they ever pro-freedom? I don't believe people just toss their principles at the drop of a hat.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html The math? LOL- come on, you know better. The "math" didn't seem to stop Bush. Tell that to the people betting money on the outcome. They have an irritating way of being accurate.
Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it. The USA is screwed no matter which of the 3 wins. Given that, it makes sense to prefer the one that is least likely to start WWIII and otherwise end the imperialism. I know its probable that Obama won't bring all the troops home, but Cain will increase imperialism and bombing. As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be. I won't vote for Obama as it's much more beneficial such as it is to vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, but that's my position and preference.
Wow.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I mean every word of that most sincerely.
Disarming a nation brings more death. But, I believe you are certainly sincere.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
At the expense? How do you figure? the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug?
And guess which nation is the international thug? If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Mildly colorful slam. But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
I agree completely. But guess what we DON'T have!!!
If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
"...It is well known that violence is always utilized by the ruling classes to repress the peoples and to try to maintain the regime of exploitation and privilege; this obliges the people to resort to their own violence, only by means of which is it possible to crush the reactionary conspiracy and to set up the revolutionary power of the working class and peasants, who are defending and fighting for the interests of the whole people and the Nation... Central Organ of the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Ecuador http://www.mltranslations.org/Ecuador/34anniv.htm
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you think that disarming a nation will bring security elsewhere, we have nothing to discuss. Perhaps you miss my point, but if that's your position, so be it.
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment, while sitting in Ecuador...how far are you from Paraguay?
I have as much to do with international tyranny as your next door neighbor. You, on the other hand, can now add gun grabber to your CV. Congrats, you should have paid the few bucks in taxes you owed and stayed semi-normal.
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war. I won't.
If I see you shooting innocents, yes, count on me to shoot you first. And I won't give a damn fuck about your right to bear arms then!
I won't. And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter. But that is the tactic many are taking, just like Bush. You are with Obama or you are a zionazi, warmongering torture supporter. I thought you were better than that.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
Who in their Left freaking mind is voting for that Traitorous asshat?!
When did you lose your mind? The more I am around you, the less respect for who I thought you were is.
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new. Same s**t, different millennium...
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway. But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without. As foreign nations continue to buy us on the cheap, consider, that veiled benevolence will cease. That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable. I'm really shocked at that. You would not continue to maintain a site that promoted such, IMO. I really don't understand, but then, maybe I do.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today? Yes, people are dying getting murdered by this administration, and all you care about is some legislation in Congress. You can keep your damn guns no matter what the laws say. If you lived in Ecuador, you'd understand that. And if you consent to setting loose the dogs of war on innocents just so you can have a paper right to guns, then you are the candidate NWO elite material.
Same s**t, different millennium... Yeah. Something is up.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ping... Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement.
I'm not an EC citizen. You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming. Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop. Apparently I'm alone on that score.
Unreal...I cannot believe you would even consider such a statement. Okay, well, lets try putting it in reverse. There, is that better?
Didn't know, wasn't sure, either way, is fine by me. You think I'm orchestrating it? I just saw it coming. Yes, I understand that. Oh it is? Guess what, Peppa. Innocents are getting shot at, and somehow I'm the koolaid drinker because I want it to stop. And only outlaws keep guns. The innocents are disarmed. You know that. And yes, 'we' are aware there is a war going on. I have 3 cousins, very young, snagged up in that, and one home a year now with an injury the gov. will not treat. You think we don't know what the con is? Again, if you believe that sacrificing liberties, will ensure security here, there, or anywhere, you might have lost a lesson of the Founding Fathers in school. You may not want war, but it want's you. That you should imagine that less freedom is an even exchange, is confusing. Have you family in Iraq, Afgh, too? Are there not bases everywhere to ensure your obedience to the ruling class? Pin, I'm not your enemy.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html LOLOL! Dude, put down the joint and get real. HOW did you manage to go from Ron Paul Constutitutionalist anti-Middle East Union / African Union wars to Obama Marxist gun-grabber AND then tie these two things (grabbing my guns - anti RKBA & killing people in the Middle East) together? LSD? Local buzz material? Killah Gonge? Ping... No need for vulgar language, most of us have heard it too many times already. A lot of GOOD people have indeed died that you may rant and rave here at the stupidity of the rest of us. Not a person on this earth is able to be free and walk around unharmed unless there is FORCE to ensure it. Those men in suits and sunglsses that are in the crowd around Obama have guns and will kill you if you go near Obama. Evil abounds, Obama needs protection and so do you.
There, is that better? Innocents have always died because of evil. What part of evil is it that you do not understand? Evil will always walk this earth and sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away.
You sound like one of those two hysterical Code Pink gals on Saturday Night Live. "The Chair recognizes Code Pink for 6-seconds, begin" Like WTF would you like us to do about the war? Vote it away on a sea of Obama? #1, he isn't going to become president, and #2, he wouldn't be able to alter foreign policy if he did, especially in the Middle East. The fact that you mentioned the NWO indicates to me that, at some level, you realize that a global agenda exists that is far more powerful than one man. Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
You think I'm promoting gun bans? I'm absolutely NOT doing that. Very sorry to hear that. I myself got a friend going in later this year for his first tour. I'm not promoting the sacrifice of liberties. To the contrary I'm promoting liberties. It seems what's different is I'm promoting them for everyone. What's the problem here? All I said was that killing innocent people is NOT a proper means to secure rights and everyone accuses me of being a communist!! I have no idea what you mean here. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure.
Ummmm.... Cyni...?? Your post doesn't match my comment at all.
Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war. I don't know of one person that thinks that is okay. Maybe Freepers, and the kill them all and let Allah sort it out crowd, but not me, and no one I've seen here. What's the problem here? All I said was that killing innocent people is NOT a proper means to secure rights and everyone accuses me of being a communist!! I guess I didn't see anyone accuse you of being a commie.. But commies and marxists want a disarmed society. So by extention, supporting a candidate(s) that furthers the elimination of the 2A, a bite at a time, is communisim growing stronger a bite at a time. I have no idea what you mean here. I mean, that governments are run by the ruling class. To ensure their protection, they disarm and repress their own citzenry from rebellion. Pin, I'm not your enemy. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure. We are in a do or die period of history here. Nerves are rattled.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html If you can find any "goofy gun statement" by me, I'll redact it. Quote me JT. Find it and post it.
Not intended to. Evil will always be with us. Expecting only good from man and government is sticking ones head in the sand.
Major goofy.
you're the one among us that has stood up against them IMHO the most. and you've been the most successful at it. though obviously they are not defeated. and you've paid a price. a lot of people respect you for it - a lot. I don't blame Robin & others for supporting obama a bit. he's not as proven to be slime like the others. I remember some basic bible lessons, that with god on our side we cannot be defeated. and when He joins the fight, that is when we'll win. but before that happens man's inability to rule on this earth will be demonstrated so that all can see. to facilitate a maximum choice among us all of either life or death. the one who made us respects perseverence & long-suffering. There can be great fruits come from this. a man that can master the software tools as you've done and at the same time be a real lawyer as you are, that is a man who has worked very hard for a long period of time with very tremendous talent and intelligence as well to make it happen. If you'd been a typical man who'd done that in our country, then you'd make a half million a year every year up here and loaf at the same time. We respect you for living in Ecuador and doing the things you've done. I know what it's like to write software, as I've done it, and I can tell from your work and the way you talk that you are top-of-the-line. I wish I had the money to hire you to work on a new project, but I don't. I would like to know what software to study so I can write stuff like what you've wrote though. as you know 99+% of the people don't take the principled stands that you've done. and of those few who did like you very few were able to make it work as well as you. its been a rugged road, but you've come through it far better than almost anyone else would've. I know this, yet I know little about you. because believe me others have paid a high price too, others have similar stories too and paid high prices too, that's something I personally know. but none more magnificantly than you. hope I haven't upset you or embarassed you. sorry if I have. but you seem a little out-of-sorts today. and you're our hero. we don't want that to happen.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Never said that. I didn't do it nobody saw me do it you can't prove anything. All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A. Further, anyone that would choose to further promote the killing of innocent people in order to preserve the 2A for himself is a tyrant. "Freedom for me but not for thee" is not for me. Ummm.... you apparently missed FOH's insulting pics of Karl Marx. The USA is a corpse waiting to fall over. Financially, it's most likely that the country is done. The Constitution has been shot to hell. Talk of "preserving rights" might simply be a mere vain echo of better times long past. Ergo, it may well be time to recalibrate our priorities. Seems to me stopping the killing should rank high on the list. Thanks.
Signed.... Neil
If you favor McCain, you might as well join hands and sing along: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". Vote for him if you want FOH. I'll pass.
and if there's anyone on this thread who thinks that pinguinite is not a hero - then I'd have to reach into my bag of official constrution job-site terminology to tell you what I think, but the sanitized version is that you can kiss my ass, and I dare say there aint one of you tough enough to kick my ass.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Vote for him if you want FOH. I'll pass. Who *WHO* WHO are you talking about? If you don't support Obama, then you support McJuan? Have you been living under a rock? Do you pay attention to what's going on in this forum before you pop off with stupid pro-Establishment, pro-Marxist, anti-RKBA statements? You've lost your mind by all appearances...
LOLOL!!!
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear. There is enough blame for attrocities to go around for everyone. What if I were to say, stop food deliveries in Ecuador, as it feeds criminals. Would that be a true statement?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ping... During my time this country has been bombing someone nearly all of the time. It makes no difference as to who sits in the Oval office, no difference as to party, no difference as to the character or words espoused by a man. As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead. If for one minute you believe that Obama is going to change course, you are sadly mistaken. Your words have taken me aback. I would hope your view over the horizon has not also become clouded.
Someone got to McNeil and he went plum I don't understand the logic, I'm hoping to though.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Even when things are not understandable, make no sense, there is indeed an underlying intent, cause and or purpose. Always.
This is true. Obama has helped bring focus to wider plans here and abroad. His foreign policy advisors and their writings, are key to understanding Obamas statements and shifting positions.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Agreed.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Thank you very much, Red. Most of those days you speak of are behind me, at least for now. I've not forgotten your pmail and will reply to it. I've got an errand to run right now so am stepping away for a bit.
Good luck with that. I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll) As it goes, some things are clearer regardless. I guess this place will be closing up shop.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I'm glad you liked it.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Christine got back into her right mind, so maybe there's hope for Obamanite...although if you had told me during Sally's El Pee - Ron Paul purgeathon that this place would become Obama4um, I'd have to have said "Pass".
Yes, you're THE tuffest fer shur...what's next, whip'em out and measure? It just caught me funny. I feel the same way and with very good reason...
I'm going to have a smoke.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html you know how it is in a fight. the most vicious one wins. some victory. note to self - must temper such thoughts.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Yeah. After a guy's knee is wrenched, he's lost some teeth, has a few cracked ribs and his balls are busted before his nose is pinned against his cheek...you wish the dumb SOB had just minded his own business in the first place.
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man. You're where you belong.
Hi Red, I'm back. Thanks again for the very kind words. Very kind words indeed. But I can't accept this compliment. Most people don't give a hoot about freedoms. Of those that do, most only complain and a few take action rising to civil disobedience. While I've done that, there are a large number of names and/or faces I personally know that have dwarfed me in their efforts and in the prices they have paid. So no, this compliment I must objectively defer to numerous others. I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
" I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty." True, I was shocked at your use of language. "these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right." That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights. Your argument is with voters that have voted in huge numbers for three people that have not said they will stop the war in Iraq. Supporting any one of the three is support for more war, more blood and dying, the very thing you abhor. There is no reconciliation of the two.
Ah.....we left LP & FU because we felt strongly about the war. And what exactly would you have us do about the dying Iraqis?
a man (Obama) who has no respect for the rights and lives of Americans (he wants to take away our right to self defense) cannot have regard for the lives of iraqis, afganis, pakistanis, iranians, or any other country's peoples.
You're further gone than I would have ever believed.
I second that motion.
The logic here is skewed. #1. ) Obama appears is not the same as Obama is #2. ) he'd be the moral candidate of choice according to whom? #3. ) the candidate most likely to draw down the empire ...whatever his stance is on the 2A... means exactly what? It seems you're saying that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama because of his stance on denying citizens the right to own guns is promoting the killing of innocents? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hush your mouth.
The Os laughingly tried to put us in a position of accepting the loss of a Constitutional right as a trade off for world peace. Pass the magic mushrooms....
I apparently pay far more attention to it than you have to what I've said on this very thread.
I'm sorry but your paragraph was anything but clear. As an aside, Ecuador can well sustain it's own population without food imports, but your hypothetical point is taken. But the question of whether it'll be Cain, Hill, or Obama is not hypothetical. It'll be one of those 3.
You may well be right. But if so, why does preferring Obama win make me a commie? If you're right, it doesn't matter, does it cyni? It WILL be one of those 3. If you think they are all the same, then why not stop being shocked and just say, "I guess maybe we'll see".
Thanks, but I don't think I could afford a BG right now! Might get a gun though. (Now my adversaries will REALLY be confused).
For someone who's not my enemy, you sure don't mind tossing insults my way.
You're where you belong. Okay JT. If you're gonna insult me and my record, put your self in the spot light and lets see who's better. If you've done more civil disobedience than me, fine, I have to kiss your ass. But if I've done more than you, you have to kiss my ass, and either apologize for being a hypocritical idiot OR have this thread be a permanent millstone around your neck. If you take my deal, fess up. For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts? Maybe you can think about that this evening on your way to the PO to get your 1040 postmarked by the midnight deadline. Again, if you've done more than me, then I'll bow down. Ball's in your court. Let me know if you're playing or not.
The answer is ZERO, as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).
It's funny how those labels stick. I made the mistake of sending a few dollars to a charity that sent me self-stick return address labels, now thew send me like 400 pounds of the fuckers each and every month. The other address label charities have taken me for an easy mark, and have proceeded to send me address labels of their own design. It's become quite a burden collecting over six tons of junk mail each month, sorting through it, and bagging and hauling the majority of it to the curb each week. I worry about identity theft, but if I took the time to shred it all there'd be no time for tea and scones.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Subsequent polls show Hillary ahead by 5-6%. Obama, with my vote, has a chance to beat Hillary in PA.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I pray he does.
I thought you wanted McCain to win, start the collapse ASAP? Fuck it all, I'm writing in Richard Perle.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
McCain will win if O is selected, not with my help tho. Yes, do Perle as a write in. Is he still alive?
So my calling you a Hillaroid is not entirely without merit? Of course it is, but that's the trap the pigfucking elite have set for us. I wish we could get back to discussing the pros and cons of individual issues and ideas rather than spouting attack prose at idealogical dissenters.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Shock effect is one literary tool used by writers. I'm glad it went over as intended. Um.... my opinion has nothing to do with your rights. Very true Cyni. You can join Peppa in rehearsing your posts so they make some kind of sense. Obama has said he would withdraw US troops from Iraq. He might not do any, he might not do all, but Cain definitely won't and Hillary is less likely to than Obama. Ergo, based on this information, the overall chance of reduced military presence in Iraq is best with Obama. But again, if they are all the same, why would you care which of the 3 gets the presidency?
I don't know..... maybe.... stop killing them? I know that sounds silly probably but I'll see about coming up with something a bit more sophisticated.
You may be right, chrissy. Do you think maybe McCain would treat them more kindly than Obama would? Would you be willing to bet money on that? I wouldn't.
Quite possibly. Anyone comparing his claim that he'd have troops out of Iraq in 1 year compared to McCain's 100 year claim would reach that conclusion. Granted, all are claims these days. It means putting and end to actual killing is more important that some law written on paper, laws that judges rarely obey BTW, that says you can have a gun. That as opposed to, "We need to vote for a president that will let me have a gun even though he will continue to murder innocent men, women and children abroad". Maybe being in Ecuador has taught me the difference between reality and what laws say. Reality carries a lot more weight in these parts. True in the USA too, in case no one's noticed.
Ha!! What Constitutional right? The right to bear arms? YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!! What are you? Stupid?? It's time you put them away. That goes for everyone.
I get called names all the time, it quit bothering me when I was 22 or so. This thread reminded me of one several weeks ago where someone tore into me based on misrepresenting my remarks, simple and straightforward as they were... I can't believe all the childish propaganda I'm seeing here today. And for the last couple months, really. Like I ask everyone else, why worry about the opinions of obvious morons?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Just to clarify, when I say "morons" I mean FOH specifically.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Well, JT, that was certainly a very quick contest. And you lose. So YOU can kiss my ass. And if you don't want to do that, then I think this is the part where I get to say two words. FUCK YOU! Uh-huh... I guess that would include the Constitution. Nothing but BS. Now then, you were saying something about a BS Constitutional Right you think you have?
Did you learn that in the wacky patriot group you were once a member of?
On this thread, FOH has had nothing to say. Nothing to argue, at least.
I learned it here in Ecuador. Don't you have a 1040 to file tonight, or have you already put in for an extension?
No, actually I won. All that nonsense got you run out of the country while I'm literally in the lap of luxury. So, my friend, spray that tent with an extra dose of mosquito repellent, say a prayer, and hit the hay (literally).
I filed long ago. Hell, Herr Bush is even giving me a stimulus. What a country :)
I can assure you I walked. ...supporting your own destroyer while complaining about him bitterly. You are truly ignorant about Ecuador. May your chains lay lightly JT....
A stimulus. Then your tax rate is less than zero this year, right? Good job.
Thanks for the warning, Jacob Marley. I'll remember it the next time I need a good laugh.
On top of being an ignoramus with a big freakin mouth whilst setting in Ecuador of all places, you're a class A1 monkey f*_cker. The very fact that you put stock in ONE FREAKING WORD that any of the selections have to say puts YOU in the category of blind willful stupidity OR late term blooming Kumbayah gun grabber. Either way, you're shooting your mouth off from Eduador while I'm beating the streets in the united States of America. What's left you turncoat acid-dropping light foot... Oh, Dakmar. Go take a flying f*_ck at a rolling donut.
This too will pass. Bush couldn't get amnesty past congress and neither will the next Pres. Polls say the war is not the issue, but in the end it will be.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
I'm close to signing off this thread, but... Maybe you're right, FOH. Maybe in spite of all his rhetoric, McCain really *will* bring the troops home. We can hope. Actually, make that "you" can hope. Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins?
Let me make this clear. FUCK McNuts. FUCK Hitlery. FUCK Barry Obama. And FUCK ALL YOU KNEE PAD WEARING ESTABLISHMENT SUCKERS!!!
Bush certainly did. Why can't Obama?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Your frustration could be put to rest with the simple application of the bozo privilege. Try it, you'll like it.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
We can hope. Actually, make that "you" can hope. Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins? All three of them are bad. Don't vote for any of them.
I'm not as frustrated as I might seem. Though I'm certainly in a different form this evening ain't I? Maybe my Ecuadorian wife is finally rubbing off on me. She is a more determined fighter than I am.
As I've mentioned, the best thing to do is vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr, as a write in, if need be. I don't recommend anyone vote for Obama.
i was just about to ask, who are you and what have you done with Neil? ;)
hmmmm...that's certainly not the impression i and others got from your earlier posts.
To Recap: Only OWM tool obama, who wants to expand the Middle East Union war, can save the innocents that are dying from the war that none of us want to see last one day longer. Some of us have even called for the troops to fight their way out, North through eastern Turkey to the sea where possibly the Russians would pick them up and have pity on them. But some software designers must have missed that. For whatever reason, if you don't support Barry Obama, you support McDouchebag the King of the Americas! Better yet, if you believe that giving your guns over to the Establishment tool (McHitlerobama) in some insane belief that benevelobama will stop the NWO wars upon the sacrifice of your weapons, well then...you're a FREAKING SAINT. How quickly some have fallen for Marxist World Utopian ideologies. While safely tucked away in some other nation...
Makes perfect sense to me. You wouldn`t vote for him, but if you only had a choice of Clinton, McCain or Obama, you`d pick Obama. I agree. He appears to be the lesser of the 3 evils. For whatever that`s worth.
I mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t
LOLOL!! Thanks, chrissy. That's was a good laugh!
Yes, as it turned out, it seems a lot of people either got some strange impressions, or from where I'm sitting, gave some strange one's themselves. Of the 3, I hope Obama wins. That's because it will be one of the three, and McCain is a militant war monger who will kill innocent people as Bush is doing. But I would not vote for Obama. Our votes are too insignificant to matter between the three. (I know you would say not significant at all). The best thing to do is vote for Ron Paul or possibly Bob Barr. Neither will win, but as little good as that will do, it's far more good than could be done by casting a few more votes to the millions Obama will be getting and then if he wins, hoping he'll really end the warring.
Yes, "for whatever it's worth" is probably a fitting signatory.
I mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t At this point, I think I could name a few.
"these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right." That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights. Um.... my opinion has nothing to do with your rights. Very true Cyni. You can join Peppa in rehearsing your posts so they make some kind of sense. Ping... Let me disabuse you of two things, lest you retain any semblance of a false premise. Your "shock" value on me was totally wasted, whether it was intended or not. As to an example of its value, let me explain it in simple terms. Attending Church and having a minister use such language has ZERO value, the same as yours, as I and others had the false characterization that you were one that refrained from gutter language. Personally, now that I know you are one that resorts to such vulgarity, I will merely place you in league with a few others on the 4um. In that vein anything you have to say in the future will be viewed as coming from a vulgarian. As for the statement concerning gun rights, there is no way you can paper over that statement. You have diminished yourself in the eyes of many, if that is what you care to leave us with, so be it. Rehearse??? I did tell Peppa you were reading. Most everyone knows that. Again, that brings zero credit to your now empty ledger.
LOLOL Sorry, I just re-read the 1st half of the thread again. LOLOL!!
Well, I appreciate your criticisms, Cyni. Thank you for taking the time to share.
Thank you. I think.
At this point, I think I could name a few. lol
Not welcome Neil. You have added to the harm that has been done to 4um. That I resent. Your intent is of no interest to me, the result is. Helping to destroy what belongs to others is nothing I would be satisfied or proud of. I gave no criticisms, stating observations of a character that you are content to leave us with is hardly something to be proud of. Vulgarity as a shock treatment, would result in a Pastor to which few people listen. Combine that with a condescending message, it leaves the church nearly empty. Your choice, Christines church.
At this point, I think I could name a few. I am voting for Yertule Turtle and his grocery cart retirement plan. Makes much more sense than anything else out there. At least ya can believe in it. And the financials add up, unlike the gov's plan.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Theory A: One World Monopolist will stop the killun Theory B: Assuming Theory A is true, the Marxist gun grabber taking away our firearms for the Establishment is what we should all hope for. A SHOCKING DAY INDEED!
Yertle Turtle for President! (The lesser of 4 evils) Don`t vote - it just encourages 'em. The votes are rigged anyway. For whatever it`s worth.
Yes, destroying what belongs to others, or more to the point, destroying others, is where all this bru-ha-ha started on this thread. I refer, of course, to the role of the United States in the destruction of Iraq. War is hell, Cyni, and no words, even vulgar words, can depict it's horrors accurately. You may even know of it first hand, and if you do, you have my respect. I am thankful that I have no personal experience with how horrific it is, and I hope I remain blissfully ignorant of true war. You can choose your church, but you can't choose your war. Not when it comes to you. The people in Iraq didn't choose what's been going on there for the last 18 years. Sure some/many here believe that Obama may well simply continue the war and he may. But if there's even a small chance that they are wrong and Obama would at least scale it back, then to me that makes him a preferred candidate, particularly over McCain. You can take issue with my "poetic" choice of words in discussing war if you so wish. Intelligent people already know that vulgarity is really an illusion, a series of innocent letters or sounds which combined, trigger a trained reaction that has been programmed into our minds. But I know of no other subject that is more deserving of such language than the subject of war itself.
You mean anyone believing his claims.
Yes, in hindsight, I did mangle that a bit. I tried to paraphrase your comment from memory, but fell short. I think you knew what I meant. Spin as you need too. But the question of whether it'll be Cain, Hill, or Obama is not hypothetical. It'll be one of those 3. Any of them will help you.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html He is the only candidate remaining who will. In this instance, if you believe otherwise, allow me to point out the obvious. 1) McCain is more likely to extend the madness, rather than improve it. 2) Hillary has spent a lifetime trying to show that she has the biggest testicles on the playground. If you think for a moment she won't try to out-Thatcher Thatcher and hang in on the phony baloney War on Terror you're delusional.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
That wasn't an insult.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html We need a Church of Obama pew.. like the old Biker Bar, but make it front and center.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html It is akin to an atheist making loud obscene noises in the church of other people. It would be an in your face confrontation. Oh, well, enough for me. The dust will settle on everyone.
"Trust you?"
It would be an in your face confrontation. Oh, well, enough for me. The dust will settle on everyone. Same here.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Is there a argument in your little knee-jerk retort?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Is there an argument in your little knee-jerk retort?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Then would you care to explain why you think 4um will shut down?
Nope.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html They're not explaining that, are they? I've asked a number of times myself.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
No explanation. Interesting. Are you a shill, like Cyni?
Are you a shill, like Cyni? A shill for what?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I can think of one reasonable answer. Obama is black, and for at least one person here, a black man a president would be a disaster. He'd probably vote for McCain if Obama gets the D nod, even if it means more death and destruction worldwide. That's my theory.
Not for. Against. Against 4um. There are people who hate freedom or are mere propaganda mercenaries. They've been on LP so why not here? Why do you expect 4um to close? Still staying mum?
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom? ROFLMAO! I've figured you out Ping. Why do you expect 4um to close? Still staying mum? No need to answer, you've done to yourself.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You are simply disgusting in your self-righteous mularkey.
A couple of people came over to this forum (from LP, I believe) a couple of months ago, and since then have been doing their best to disrupt it, with insults and vituperation. Their apparent purpose has been to stir up animosity.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You are not in this country now and won't have to face the repercussions of Obama winning. All three are NWOers and would hurt this nation, but Obama would do the most damage because he is a racist and is being used by the elite to cause race riots and/or wars. The elite would kill him, blame white supremacists for it and this would ignite civil unrest not seen since the civil war in America. The new President, probably Hillary, would then declare martial law and they would start confiscating everyone's weapons. This is the plan. It is as plain as day what is going on here. Maybe becasue you are living in Ecuador you can't see it, or maybe becasue you are there you don't care.
God is always good!
Unlike those of us who have been reading Neil's liberty-loving posts -- and profiting from his hard work for the cause of liberty -- for years?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Most people do that in short order. Sorry I can't quite say the same for you. I think that means you're refusing to qualify your prediction. But feel free to repair your grammar.
Like he said, those days are behind him now. So, are we having cocktails with Chertoff soon?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html We're done here.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I came over when Ron Paulians were purged from LP, I believe it was November of '07. You remember Ron Paul, the Constitutionalist? Funny, I never EVER hear you Ophiles say one thing, GOOD OR BAD, about the North American Zone...or the Union of the Americas. Why *IS* that?!
I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't.
God is always good!
People who act as if a speculative possibility is established reality are not rational.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Or, vote for Obama in the hope that a revolution breaks out and this nation gets set to order according to the Founding Fathers. I've previously stated that Hitlery as POTUS would accomplish something similar to that as her megalomania knows no bounds or decency. Obama is an amateur, and the White House is no place for amateurs.
"What we do claim is that the northern European, and particularly Anglo-Saxons made this country. Oh, yes; the others helped. But that is the full statement of the case. They came to this country because it was already made as an Anglo-Saxon commonwealth. They added to it, they often enriched it, but they did not make it, and they have not yet greatly changed it. We are determined that they shall not. And what we assert is that we are not going to surrender it to somebody else or allow other people, no matter what their merits, to make it something different. If there is any changing to be done, we will do it ourselves." Rep. William Vaile, Colorado, 1924
You are a deep cover One World Monopolist shill, as I've always asserted...period. Your cover has been blown wide open by the Establishment's Far Lefty selection.
True. He can watch it on his coconut TV.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Hey Neil. Stick a pin in PL. I want zero association with gun grabbers.
what is this shill accusation? why is it that when people disagree everyone resorts to calling them shills and trolls and claims of disruption and having an agenda of destruction of this forum? this is sick what's going on here.
When Ron Paul was still (really) in the running, I've said that unless RP wins, the country is hosed. I still believe that because of the financial crisis that continues to unfold. We agree there. Since Ecuador uses the dollar, there will be repercussions here, but granted, that has nothing to do with Obama. As for your scenario, I do predict Obama getting the D nod, but I also predict he does not choose Hillary as too many people detest the Clintons and cost him votes to McCain. He'll instead choose a moderate white guy as VP. My prediction. The life of any president is in danger. It wasn't long ago some were predicting the same fate for RP. I'm definitely paying attention. But yes, I'm definitely much more out of the way being out of the country. But I do have plenty of friends and family still there. (Peppa's accusations that I want to see Americans suffer and die are unfounded, BTW, so please disregard those claims).
The chaffe (OWMers) is being separated from the wheat (Americans)...thanks to the hopes that a Marxist selection has given them. At least on other sites, the pecker woods have the stones to brazenly admit their hopes for the North American Soviet Union.
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I thought every American was wicked and deserved to be disarmed while disabused because we are all responsible for the innocents that have died at the hands of our One World Monopolists in our illegal shadow government?
Don't be an idiot (oops, too late), YOU already chose one of the THREE!!! Peppa made the prediction that 4um would be shutting down. I took that as an relatively petty insult -- no big deal. But then peppa denied it was an insult. If not, then it's a serious prediction. A serious prediction that 4um would shut down? I take that as a much bigger matter than a mere insult. I asked her to explain, but she refusing to clarify. What does that mean?
Will do. Of course I'm no gun grabber.
Of course I'm no gun grabber. Of course not. You'll let someone else closer to the "Homeland" actually do the grabbing for you!
Ari, if you did go to Oxford, Harvard, Yale, or wherever, then you must have a reasonably decent memory and know that I never said any such thing.
God is always good!
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...? ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44 #45. To: Pinguinite (#44) For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Wow. #46. To: Peppa (#45) I mean every word of that most sincerely. Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 14:48:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #52. To: Peppa (#47) Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug? #52. To: Peppa (#47) Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong. And guess which nation is the international thug? #56. To: angle, (#50) Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil. If you believe in your moral right to preserve your legal right to a firearm surpasses the rights of others to live, then guess what.... YOU are no different than the NWO elite!!! Because that's exactly what they say. So maybe you and JT can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Pinguinite posted on 2008-04-15 15:34:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html No explanation. Interesting. Are you a shill, like Cyni? What does that mean?
GWB is a mass murderer and would grab your gun quicker than Obama, just as he has grabbed your liberties and ridiculed, as he put it, "the GD Constitution".
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
The Utopians have found their OWM selection. At least christine has her head on straight...
I don't like to see us all fighting among us. I'm not an Obama-supporter, but if people want to think that he might be a good guy and support him, thats great IMHO. its not as if McCain or Clinton are good alternatives either you know. Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us. he does have some wisdom as well. Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone. almost nobody is happy with these last 3 choices. some of us here proceed as if our discussion here will determine the nation's future. That is foolish.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
One thing you demonstrate is how the fascism the neocons and Bush have worked to infect this country with works. You can't even handle agreeing to disagree with someone. Someone not following your line of thought is subject to derision and insults. If you can't handle honest disagreement, then how are you trustworthy with a hand gun? It is very possible to support someone with some views different then your own. I would rather have an honest man in the White House that is forth coming with their views then have a fascist like Bush who destroys our Constitutional rights and impoverishes out country destroying the lives of his countrymen. Disagreement with someone is healthy, vilifying them and insulting them because they don't is behavior closer to a fascist mindset then it is one of someone who supports the U.S. Constitution. I agree with Neal, but even should I not, I would agree to disagree and treat him with the respect he deserves. With the respect he has earned. You need to get grounded and to seriously reconsider where you are coming from, because you are not approaching this from the stand point of an adherent to democracy and someone who cherishes out embattled constitutional form of government.
So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL
You merely prove my point. I am not angered by your attempt to insult because it is yourself whom you hurt. I've been on many forums and talked to many many people who were very formidable to argue with. So how is your attempt at character assasination over an opinion not your own going to hurt me? It only damages you, and it doesn't give me someone to debate, it shows me you more likely then not lack a foundation of familiarity with how the U.C. Constitution works and what it represents. My dear fellow interlocutor, someone who can only stand there sticking their rhetorical tongue out at me is not someone whom I worry about giving me a run for my money engaging them in debate or lively discussion in forum. Your inability to agree to disagree with someone is something that hurts you, not me. I'm sure you would say you support guns being used wisely, responsibly and with caution. They are not to brandish carelessly and just for effect. But you use other important constitutional rights foolishly and show you don't respect the freedom of speech and the responsibility having that right entails. You do not respect another's right to take issue with your views without trying to childishly mock them in an insulting manner rather then debate them respectfully or agreeing to disagree. Thanks for your post, you help reinforce and prove my point with it more then anything else. ;-)
X-15, He would be immune from criticism, and the media would be instructed accordingly. Notice here since the debate started that scrutiny is ignored.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You make a fine North American citizen, comrade.
And I am supposed to be wounded by name calling? You don't listen well. I do not support the NAU's formation. Never have, never will, and it takes more then name calling to put me on the defensive. No, if you really want to hurt me, you need to but your mind in gear and engage me in discussion or debate and to put up your rhetorical fists and then to use them with effect and responsibly. A few rhetorical tongue pokes at me don't bother me. All they do is give me a welcome opening to explain where you are wrong here on a very basic level. You are welcome to engage me in battle on this issue, so far you really haven't.
Good post, Red. I don't like it either, in spite of my own comments. Maybe that's all it is. I *AM* very fed up with his continuous slamming of Ron Paul. Seems he never misses an opportunity to grind Ron Paul into the dirt on 4um with insults about him not being as good as Moses when he took on the pharoh. That is c**p and I'm sick of reading it. Though since posting, I do remember his role in making the RP ad, so I suppose that should be considered in his favor. I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter? A very good post, Red. Thank you.
Cyni, FYI ping. Seems you might be owed an apology.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters. Ari, if you did go to Oxford, Harvard, Yale, or wherever, then you must have a reasonably decent memory and know that I never said any such thing. You made it quite clear that you think it would have been wrong to vote against Hitler. When I asked you whether it would have been right to vote against Lenin, you did not answer. Mao and Stalin are not much of a stretch. Of course, if you're now saying you would vote against them, that makes my point that sometimes it is right to vote for a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
*crickets*
You are not a deserter. You remain on the planet of your birth and are an Earthling in good standing in my book. ;-) More Americans should go to other countries and see how life is elsewhere for themselves. Part of the problem people have always had here is varying degrees of isolationism and xenophobia that is bested o fear and dehumanization of others with no good cause based on ignorance and fear that cause this sort of mindset.
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
Thanks Ferret. We've all long known one of the biggest problems with Americans in general is that they think the whole world revolves around the USA. Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
Is it warm there? Does it rain much? Are there chemtrails there?
In the Andes mountains where I am (in Quito), during the day if there's no cloud cover, then it can get warm quickly. At this altitude you can get burned quickly, in fact. It's usually sunny in the mornings. and cloudy/overcast in the afternoons. Under the clouds or in the evening a jacket is comfortable, and it can get cold. On the coast, where I lived for a year and a half, it's always warm and humid 24/7. It's usually overcast, which you want as the sun in those conditions makes you perspire instantly. But overall, it's reasonably comfortable there 9 months of the year from about April to December, and a bit steamy from Jan-March. On the coast (in Guayaquil), the rainy season runs from Jan-Mar. Heavy storms can hit then. But outside of that, it never rains. Here in Quito in rains regularly year-round. A lot is different between the sierra an the coast, culturally included. Definately a bit of political rivalry between the two also. I don't think I've yet seen one here in Quito, though I think this airspace has much pass-through airline traffic. Don't think I've seen them in Guayaquil either.
Things to do: 1. Buy plane ticket to Ecuador
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
Sounds very good, thank you.
You set 'em up, you knock 'em down, the check is in the mail.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I went to Phoenix about 17 years ago with some co-workers, idiots that wanted to go jogging up a giant pile of boulders looking for some dutch idiots treasure. I hit the water fountain before we left the parking lot, and even that was hot. I'd love to take your tour, but remember to bring plenty of strechers.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Could you introduce me to some local senoritas with whom I could enjoy those hot springs and tons of restaurants? How expensive are the places to stay?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx The nice thing here is you can pick your desired climate pretty easily by choosing an appropriate place at the correct altitude. There are some remote places you can go that are cold, wet and miserable much of the time.
My wife probably could when we've been here longer. She doesn't know too many locals here in Quito yet. An average decent hotel here is some 20-25 bucks a night for a couple. The hot springs resort has very high end rooms and bungalows that go for some $150/night. You can easily find a decent restaurant that charges about $10 a head for food and drink. At $20/head, you're in a very nice place.
Naturally that was posted with a bit of tongue in cheek humor. You are not impressing or bothering me with your High Noon, the movie tone you take and expectation that your approach to ad homenim attacks is effective or worthy of being a formidable response to that which offends little old you. Naturally, you are in no obligation to post immediately after a response to you. I've done political forums for some twelve years now, so don't fret, I understand this is not Yahoo chat. ;-) My experience is that someone with a chip on their shoulder does not come down off their high horse and start arguing the issue; attacking is much more fun and hard to stop for some once they start. As I said more then once this week, I am more then happy to promote Obama to get the Democratic nomination. And I like the guy for the most part so far and see potential in him despite the spins some are doing against him. And I do it because of the intolerance of viewpoints prompting ad hominem attacks, and you do nothing here but what I am expecting you or someone else to do. So you aren't going to bother me with your approach to your sort of barking dog on the porch attempt at browbeating me. My skin is thick enough to take it from you face to face, so how are your going to phase me with forum posts? I have been doing real life activism longer then I have been doing this sort of posting; that can be contentious and challenging, doing posting here is not. If you want to engage in a discussion on Obama, I am game for it, if not that is fine too.
#100. To: Mister Clean (#87) Mr. Clean quote:"Nobody within the US government has even HINTED at a NAU." Bull shit. Foundations and think tanks do the basic work with the inception and planning of these things to get around laws pertaining to open meetings and governmental transparency. Transparency helps nip bad ideas like this in the bud, so they do this elsewhere to protect them. They hide as much of the implementation of them to protect them. They are fooling nobody who knows how things work. Which is why you are an oddball here in this forum, as most people here know what is up, know what is happening, and that leaves you with only a jester's buffoon dance rhetorically to try to daze and confuse lurkers who read here. That is the reality of things chum, and that leaves you with no real traction in doing your shill work, and not much impact or influence as a result. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-11-23 12:16:59 ET http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=66842&Disp=100#C100
Tactically they know that the light of day endangers the whole thing, therefore shills like you work to enhance possible plausible denial, and alarmed citizens who do not want their country merged are going to et the word out, and will stop this, even if we have to wring the chicken necks of Benedict Arnolds like you on these forums and elsewhere to do so. Those are the facts of the matter, and that leaves supporters of this oppressive mess with big problems on their hands. Ferret Mike posted on 2007- 11-23 12:07:57 ET Want more? Or will two posts from my posting history suffice to debunk your rather presumptive and false statement regarding what I advocate and have posted in this forum? I also took part in the WTO demonstrations in Seattle and took part in street lock downs and other actions -- in fact, us Eugeneans were quite skilled in doing this well sort of non-violent dissent well. I know world trade is evil, and I know the NAU is a concept emanating from the same people giving us NAFTA and other bad treaties that have hurt this country terribly the past decade or so.
You are afraid of the facts. Face it, Fox would of flat denied the existence of a desire for the haves to merge these three countries and make managing the have nots easier. They can put into effect repressive laws superseding the U.S. Constitution with the excuse laws have to accommodate all three countries, so they will err on the repression side of things. The Trans-Texas corridor would not be being made if it ended there. No business model would support such a dead end high capital project, but they would section the project to improve secrecy of ultimate plans for the NAU and Amero currency, and to make handling the opponents easier as they outspend and wear them down state by state. You shill supporting ignorance and divisiveness in the face of the obvious realities facing us. You are the one with a serious problem here, not us. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-11-23 11:56:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I know you wouldn't want to miss this one either, so don't ever claim I never gave you anything. ;-)
They can have my country for their merger [to form the NAU]when my cold dead fingers cool around the gun stock I was holding while I was shooting. "We seek a free flow of information... a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people." --JFK, Feb 1962 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45466&Disp=10#C10 Different thread, same song from me.
This project is also likely the soften the U.S. up for the NAFTA highway. Look for glowing MSM stories about how much good this POS is doing and how much in jobs and income it is creating to tweak the public opinion polls to pass the American version of the Great Wall of China where the right of way is a controlled zone like the Panamanians had to put up with with the Canal Zone when we had the lease there. If we want to stop the NAFTA highway, we need to start by killing this monster. "We seek a free flow of information... a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people." --JFK, Feb 1962 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=44567&Disp=3#C3 From a thread I posted on the Trans-Texas Corridor Project. That is three threads so far I posted against the NAU or trappings used to help impliment this monsterous plan. Yes, I did enjoy calling your mis-guided bluff that makes you wish you had run through my posting history to see how I posted on NAU threads, thank you very much. You asked to be embarrassed, and I hope you learn from this. I know all too well my deeply held opinions and what I have said on them in 4UM in the past. What I said is very easy to verify, please do so yourself next time. I shouldn't have to do this work for you.
To quite an extent that is the way it is in Oregon too.
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Wow. bttt
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused. What a guy.....
Come on, Peppa. I prefer something more bold: And here I thought you put me on bozo. I suppose we can count on you to load Tull's gun so he can shoot an innocent girl. Are you a selfish, cold blooded killer like him?
I've never asked you to amend your murderous statement. What's the point? If it's not in you to do it...
You shouldn't have the keys to a gumball machine.
Well, I got them so you can live with that or leave.
delete me
So you don't believe in self defense... I get it.
God grant me the serenity Be happy, go lucky, go Lucky Strike today!
N.B. The Japanese, perhaps wisely, do not entirely trust expats.
Be happy, go lucky, go Lucky Strike today!
#2. To: Horse (#0)
The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that:
#3. To: Horse (#0)
#4. To: Horse, Gun Grabber Inc. (#0)
#5. To: Horse (#0)
12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
people's Rothschild's choice".
#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
It will be Clinton/Obama in Nov, with an easy win.
#9. To: Original_Intent (#8)
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
#11. To: Horse (#0)
Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions?
#12. To: Original_Intent (#8)
Maybe. She might appoint McInsane as "Secretary of State".
#13. To: The Thread (#12)
(Edited)
Gak!
#14. To: Original_Intent (#5)
#15. To: christine (#14)
what do you think the blacks will do if Obama loses the nom to Hillary?
#16. To: Original_Intent (#5)
The fix is "in".
#17. To: christine (#14)
what do you think the blacks will do if Obama loses the nom to Hillary?
#18. To: christine (#14)
what do you think the blacks will do if Obama loses the nom to Hillary?
#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Obummer will probably make a "gracious concession speech" encouraging support of Hitlery and then Hitlery will name him as her "running mate".
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
Clinton/Obummer is a winner.
#21. To: Horse (#0)
#22. To: Original_Intent (#5)
It makes for great theatre
#23. To: Cynicom (#19)
Clinton/Obummer is a winner.
#24. To: nolu_chan (#21)
#25. To: angle (#22)
It makes for great theatre
#26. To: RickyJ (#20)
McCain can beat both of them. Two socialists puppets vs a neo-nazi puppet and Huck, we are doomed.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#28. To: Sam Houston (#1)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#10)
That would probably win, and then McInsane would have to retire due to "health concerns" leaving Hitlery as Preznit.
#30. To: Horse (#24)
Three established principles determine the issue before us.
"No partial birth abortion shall be performed in this state, unless such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself." Neb. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 28-328(1) (Supp. 1999).
The statute defines "partial birth abortion" as: "an abortion procedure in which the person performing the abortion partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child and completing the delivery." § 28-326(9).
It further defines "partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child" to mean "deliberately and intentionally delivering into the vagina a living unborn child, or a substantial portion thereof, for the purpose of performing a procedure that the person performing such procedure knows will kill the unborn child and does kill the unborn child." Ibid.
The law classifies violation of the statute as a "Class III felony" carrying a prison term of up to 20 years, and a fine of up to $25,000. §§ 28-328(2), 28-105. It also provides for the automatic revocation of a doctor's license to practice medicine in Nebraska. § 28-328(4).
#31. To: Pinguinite (#28)
Obama for president 2008
#32. To: Horse (#0)
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.
#33. To: X-15 (#32)
--
Obama for president 2008
#34. To: Pinguinite (#28)
Winning by that much in PA would likely only prolong her trainwreck.
#35. To: angle, Pinguinite (#34)
You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter. I don't think the educated anti-illegal immigrant folk will go for that. All Hillary has to do is very publically and soon sign up Gore for the VP spot and she's in. Run on the alternative energy investment bubble for the rest of her presidency.
#36. To: Vitamin Z, angle (#35)
Yep. Obama is cooked. Hillary has won all the big, essential states anyway.
#37. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point
#38. To: Cynicom (#7)
It will be Clinton/Obama in Nov, with an easy win.
#39. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#38)
Clinton 1 was so bad he made me want the Bush 1 administration back. Bush 2 was so bad he made me miss Clinton 1. Clinton 2 (teamed up with Obama and McCain) will be so bad she'll have us remembering Bush 2 as "the good old days."
#40. To: Vitamin Z, *Obama Reality Check* (#39)
ping
#41. To: Pinguinite (#36)
The math is stacked heavily against Hillary at this point.
#42. To: RickyJ (#41)
But a lot of 4Um posters are starting to show they are more anti-Republican than they are pro-freedom .......
#43. To: Vitamin Z (#37)
#44. To: RickyJ (#41)
#45. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#46. To: Peppa (#45)
#47. To: Pinguinite (#46)
I mean every word of that most sincerely.
#48. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#49. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#50. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#51. To: Pinguinite (#44)
Again, since the USA is gonna die anyway no matter which of the 3 it is, the least we can do is die alone and let the rest of world be.
#52. To: Peppa (#47)
Disarming a nation brings more death.
#53. To: Pinguinite (#52)
Disarming a nation brings more death. If you were being attacked by a thug, you would certainly be trying to disarm him ASAP, and it wouldn't be wrong.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
You belong in Ecuador. Under a rock.
#55. To: lodwick (#49)
Under a constitutional presidency they wouldn't be mutually exclusive.
#56. To: angle, (#50)
Go ahead, I'll preserve my right to live and live free. Sounds like you're drinking the koolaid neil.
#57. To: Peppa (#51)
Well, none of the 3 will leave you be. But, perhaps the slaughter of Americans is of some comfort.
#58. To: Pinguinite (#52)
And guess which nation is the international thug?
#59. To: Pinguinite (#57)
Perhaps you missed where I pointed out that the USA is screwed no matter what?
#60. To: Peppa (#53)
#61. To: Pinguinite (#56)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#62. To: Pinguinite (#54)
But at least I'm not a de facto accomplice of international tyranny, as it seems you are content to be.
#63. To: Peppa (#59)
And your support is appreciated by the ruling class.
#64. To: FOH (#61)
You would take away my last stand on my land. Shame on you. Easy to take away my rights, just like the Establishment.
#65. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Okay, Peppa, fine. Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
#66. To: Peppa (#65)
And you know my posts well enough I'm sure, to know I am not a McCain supporter.
#67. To: Pinguinite (#63)
Go ahead and vote for McCain and more war.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#68. To: Pinguinite (#64)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#69. To: Peppa (#65)
I thought you were better than that.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#70. To: Pinguinite (#66)
And it should be obvious on this thread alone that I am not voting for Obama. So back at ya.
#71. To: All (#66)
#72. To: FOH (#69)
Well, I'm certainly surprised at what we're seeing now that the 4um-"Constitutionalists'" masks are ripped off...but it's nothing new.
#73. To: Pinguinite (#44)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#74. To: Pinguinite (#71)
You are in a blind rage and making WILD ASS STONER ASSUMPTIONS...
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#75. To: Peppa (#70)
No spinning Pin. I didn't think you could vote as a citizen of Ecuador anyway.
But as an ex-pat, you left for a reason. And maybe it was to see us destroyed from within and without.
That you suggest any here would go about shooting innocents, is deplorable.
#76. To: Cynicom (#73)
It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
#77. To: Pinguinite (#75)
Who is going to stop the killun? McCheClinton?
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#78. To: Pinguinite (#75)
I'm not an EC citizen.
#79. To: Pinguinite (#76)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#80. To: Pinguinite (#71)
Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?
#81. To: Pinguinite (#76)
It's perfectly fine for innocent people to die so we can keep our 2nd Amendment rights.
#82. To: Pinguinite (#71)
(Edited)
Am I the only one on this thread that understands that there's a fucking war going on? Am I the only one who understands that people are out there getting blown to fucking bits, dying, right now? Today?
#83. To: Peppa (#78)
And only outlaws keep guns. The innocents are disarmed. You know that.
And yes, 'we' are aware there is a war going on. I have 3 cousins, very young, snagged up in that, and one home a year now with an injury the gov. will not treat.
Again, if you believe that sacrificing liberties, will ensure security here, there, or anywhere, you might have lost a lesson of the Founding Fathers in school.
That you should imagine that less freedom is an even exchange, is confusing.
Have you family in Iraq, Afgh, too? Are there not bases everywhere to ensure your obedience to the ruling class?
Pin, I'm not your enemy.
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
Evil will always walk this earth and sticking your head in the sand will not make it go away.
#85. To: Pinguinite (#83)
I'm not promoting the sacrifice of liberties. To the contrary I'm promoting liberties. It seems what's different is I'm promoting them for everyone.
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
#87. To: Pinguinite (#84)
Your post doesn't match my comment at all.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#86)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
(Edited)
If you aren't for Obama, you're a McInnocentKiller apparently...
/Pinguinite (and the Obamination on Obama4um.com)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#90. To: Pinguinite (#54)
Mildly colorful slam.
#91. To: Peppa (#85)
Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war.
I guess I didn't see anyone accuse you of being a commie..
But commies and marxists want a disarmed society. So by extention, supporting a candidate(s) that furthers the elimination of the 2A, a bite at a time, is communisim growing stronger a bite at a time.
Pin, I'm not your enemy. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure.
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
4/15/2008
#93. To: FOH (#89)
If you aren't for Obama, you're a McInnocentKiller apparently...
#94. To: All (#90)
and you're our hero
#95. To: Pinguinite (#93)
If you favor McCain, you might as well join hands and sing along: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#96. To: Red Jones (#94)
I dare say there aint one of you tough enough to kick my ass.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#97. To: Pinguinite (#91)
(Edited)
Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war. Never said that. I didn't do it nobody saw me do it you can't prove anything.
#98. To: Pinguinite, Peppa, Jethro Tull (#93)
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb
#99. To: Peppa (#97)
...
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#100. To: All (#99)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#101. To: FOH (#99)
#102. To: Peppa (#101)
I don't understand the logic, I'm hoping to though.
#103. To: Cynicom (#98)
As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead.
#104. To: Cynicom (#102)
Even when things are not understandable, make no sense, there is indeed an underlying intent, cause and or purpose. Always.
#105. To: Red Jones (#90)
#106. To: Peppa (#101)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#107. To: Pinguinite (#105)
#108. To: FOH (#106)
Good luck with that.
#109. To: FOH (#96)
LOLOL!!!
#110. To: Peppa, christine (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#111. To: Red Jones (#109)
I'm glad you liked it.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#112. To: FOH (#110)
#113. To: FOH (#111)
I feel the same way and with very good reason...
#114. To: Red Jones (#113)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#115. To: Pinguinite (#92)
All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A
#116. To: Red Jones (#90)
because believe me others have paid a high price too, others have similar stories too and paid high prices too, that's something I personally know. but none more magnificantly than you.
but you seem a little out-of-sorts today. and you're our hero. we don't want that to happen.
#117. To: Pinguinite (#116)
I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
#118. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#119. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#120. To: Pinguinite (#56)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
#122. To: Pinguinite (#91)
Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A. Further, anyone that would choose to further promote the killing of innocent people in order to preserve the 2A for himself is a tyrant.
#123. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#124. To: angle (#122)
#125. To: FOH (#95)
Do you pay attention to what's going on in this forum
#126. To: Peppa (#97)
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear.
There is enough blame for attrocities to go around for everyone. What if I were to say, stop food deliveries in Ecuador, as it feeds criminals. Would that be a true statement?
#127. To: Cynicom (#98)
As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead. If for one minute you believe that Obama is going to change course, you are sadly mistaken.
#128. To: Red Jones (#107)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
#129. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#130. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man.
#131. To: Pinguinite (#130)
For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts?
#132. To: Pinguinite (#128)
Might get a gun though. (Now my adversaries will REALLY be confused).
#133. To: Horse (#0)
#134. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#133)
#135. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
#136. To: Dakmar (#135)
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
McCain will win if O is selected, not with my help tho.
#138. To: Cynicom (#117)
True, I was shocked at your use of language.
"these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right."
That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights.
Your argument is with voters that have voted in huge numbers for three people that have not said they will stop the war in Iraq. Supporting any one of the three is support for more war, more blood and dying, the very thing you abhor.
#139. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
And what exactly would you have us do about the dying Iraqis?
#140. To: christine (#119)
a man (Obama) who has no respect for the rights and lives of Americans (he wants to take away our right to self defense) cannot have regard for the lives of iraqis, afganis, pakistanis, iranians, or any other country's peoples.
#141. To: angle (#122)
#1. ) Obama appears is not the same as Obama is
#2. ) he'd be the moral candidate of choice according to whom?
#3. ) the candidate most likely to draw down the empire ...whatever his stance is on the 2A... means exactly what?
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#124)
The Os laughingly tried to put us in a position of accepting the loss of a Constitutional right as a trade off for world peace.
Pass the magic mushrooms....
#143. To: Pinguinite (#140)
#144. To: Pinguinite, FOH (#140)
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#131)
The answer is ZERO,
as all that stuff is dopey "patriot" BS (as you found out).
#146. To: Pinguinite (#142)
Ha!! What Constitutional right? The right to bear arms? YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!! What are you? Stupid??
#147. To: Dakmar (#144)
Just to clarify, when I say "morons" I mean FOH specifically.
#148. To: Jethro Tull (#146)
Did you learn that in the wacky patriot group you were once a member of?
#149. To: Pinguinite (#145)
Well, JT, that was certainly a very quick contest. And you lose.
#150. To: Pinguinite (#148)
#151. To: Jethro Tull (#149)
All that nonsense got you run out of the country.
while I'm literally in the lap of luxury.
So, my friend, spray that tent with an extra dose of mosquito repellent, say a prayer, and hit the hay (literally).
#152. To: Jethro Tull (#150)
I filed long ago. Hell, Herr Bush is even giving me a stimulus. What a country :)
#153. To: Pinguinite (#151)
May your chains lay lightly JT....
#154. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#144)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#155. To: angle (#122)
#156. To: angle (#34)
You misunderestimate (lol) the damage BO did to himself by his weekend gaffe. Essentially if you're anti-immigration, you're bitter.
#157. To: FOH (#154)
The very fact that you put stock in ONE FREAKING WORD that any of the selections have to say puts YOU in the category of blind willful stupidity OR late term blooming Kumbayah gun grabber.
#158. To: Pinguinite (#157)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#159. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
#2, he wouldn't be able to alter foreign policy if he did, especially in the Middle East.
#160. To: Pinguinite (#157)
#161. To: Pinguinite, FOH (#157)
Maybe you're right, FOH. Maybe in spite of all his rhetoric, McCain really *will* bring the troops home.
#162. To: iconoclast (#160)
Your frustration could be put to rest with the simple application of the bozo privilege.
#163. To: TwentyTwelve (#161)
Don't vote for any of them.
#164. To: Pinguinite (#162)
Though I'm certainly in a different form this evening ain't I?
#165. To: Pinguinite (#163)
I don't recommend anyone vote for Obama.
#166. To: christine (#165)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#167. To: Pinguinite, all (#44)
Of the 3, I prefer Obama take it.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#168. To: All (#167)
you`d pick Obama.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#169. To: christine (#164)
#170. To: christine (#165)
hmmmm...that's certainly not the impression i and others got from your earlier posts.
#171. To: wudidiz (#167)
For whatever that`s worth.
#172. To: wudidiz (#168)
#173. To: Pinguinite, Peppa, Christine, Jethro Tull, Angle (#138)
Shock effect is one literary tool used by writers. I'm glad it went over as intended.
#174. To: Pinguinite (#170)
Yes, as it turned out, it seems a lot of people either got some strange impressions
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#175. To: Cynicom (#173)
#176. To: Pinguinite (#171)
"for whatever it's worth" is probably a fitting signatory.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#177. To: Pinguinite (#172)
I mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#178. To: Pinguinite, christine, Jethro Tull, Peppa, angfle, FOH (#175)
#179. To: wudidiz (#177)
I mean, you`d prefer Obama. Who wouldn`t
#180. To: Cynicom (#178)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#181. To: tom007, Pinguinite, all (#179)
I am voting for Yertule Turtle and his grocery cart retirement plan.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#182. To: Cynicom (#178)
Helping to destroy what belongs to others is nothing I would be satisfied or proud of.
#183. To: Pinguinite (#141)
Anyone comparing his claim that he'd have troops out of Iraq in 1 year compared to McCain's 100 year claim would reach that conclusion.
#184. To: Pinguinite (#126)
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear. I'm sorry but your paragraph was anything but clear.
#185. To: angle, Pinguinite (#183)
(Edited)
You mean anyone believing his claims.
#186. To: Pinguinite (#129)
I guess this place will be closing up shop. For someone who's not my enemy, you sure don't mind tossing insults my way.
#187. To: Cynicom (#178)
(Edited)
Your choice, Christines church.
#188. To: Peppa (#187)
#189. To: iconoclast (#185)
He is the only candidate remaining who will.
#190. To: Cynicom (#188)
It is akin to an atheist making loud obscene noises in the church of other people.
#191. To: angle (#189)
"Trust you?"
#192. To: angle (#189)
"Trust you?"
#193. To: Peppa (#186)
#194. To: Pinguinite (#193)
#195. To: Pinguinite (#157)
Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins?
#196. To: Peppa (#194)
#197. To: Pinguinite (#196)
No explanation. Interesting.
#198. To: aristeides (#195)
I've asked a number of times myself.
#199. To: Peppa (#197)
A shill for what?
#200. To: Pinguinite (#199)
Not for. Against. Against 4um. There are people who hate freedom or are mere propaganda mercenaries. They've been on LP so why not here?
#201. To: Pinguinite (#199)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#202. To: Pinguinite (#199)
#203. To: Pinguinite (#157)
Or if you really think all are as bad as McCain advertises, then again, what's the big deal about my hoping, of the three, Obama wins?
#204. To: Peppa, Pinguinite (#200)
I've figured you out Ping.
#205. To: Peppa (#200)
I've figured you out Ping.
No need to answer, you've done to yourself.
#206. To: aristeides (#204)
I've figured you out Ping. Unlike those of us who have been reading Neil's liberty-loving posts -- and profiting from his hard work for the cause of liberty -- for years?
#207. To: Pinguinite (#205)
#208. To: aristeides (#202)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#209. To: Peppa (#200)
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom? ROFLMAO!
#210. To: RickyJ (#203)
This is the plan. It is as plain as day what is going on here.
#211. To: Peppa (#200)
Let see, you want this nation destroyed quickly and the 2a killed and I'm the one who hates freedom?
#212. To: aristeides (#210)
People who act as if a speculative possibility is established reality are not rational.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#213. To: RickyJ (#209)
I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't.
#214. To: Pinguinite (#205)
#215. To: Pinguinite, aristeides, ALL (#196)
#216. To: RickyJ (#203)
You are not in this country now and won't have to face the repercussions of Obama winning.
The elite would kill him, blame white supremacists for it and this would ignite civil unrest not seen since the civil war in America.
Maybe becasue you are living in Ecuador you can't see it, or maybe becasue you are there you don't care.
#217. To: christine (#215)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#218. To: Jethro Tull (#214)
I want zero association with gun grabbers.
#219. To: TwentyTwelve, RickyJ (#218)
#220. To: Pinguinite (#216)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#221. To: aristeides, RickyJ, TwentyTwelve (#219)
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#222. To: christine (#215)
what is this shill accusation? why is it that when people disagree everyone resorts to calling them shills and trolls and claims of disruption and having an agenda of destruction of this forum?
#223. To: Jethro Tull (#214)
Hey Neil. Stick a pin in PL. I want zero association with gun grabbers.
#224. To: Pinguinite (#223)
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#225. To: aristeides (#219)
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters.
#226. To: RickyJ, all, *Obama Reality Check*, christine (#203)
#227. To: Pinguinite, christine (#222)
#196. To: Peppa (#194)
#228. To: TwentyTwelve (#218)
Mass murderers agree
#229. To: FOH (#224)
#230. To: TwentyTwelve, christine (#229)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#231. To: christine (#215)
#232. To: RickyJ (#209)
"I imagine that's easy for his butt to say from Ecuador. We will have to deal with the aftermath of an Obama presidency, he won't."
Obama for president 2008
#233. To: Ferret Mike (#232)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#234. To: FOH (#233)
(Edited)
"So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL"
Obama for president 2008
#235. To: X-15 (#211)
Or, vote for Obama in the hope that a revolution breaks out and this nation gets set to order according to the Founding Fathers. I've previously stated that Hitlery as POTUS would accomplish something similar to that as her megalomania knows no bounds or decency. Obama is an amateur, and the White House is no place for amateurs.
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#237. To: FOH (#236)
(Edited)
Obama for president 2008
#238. To: Red Jones (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us.
Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us.
Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone.
#239. To: Red Jones, cynicom (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us. I'm not an Obama-supporter, but if people want to think that he might be a good guy and support him, thats great IMHO. its not as if McCain or Clinton are good alternatives either you know. Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us. he does have some wisdom as well. Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone. almost nobody is happy with these last 3 choices. some of us here proceed as if our discussion here will determine the nation's future. That is foolish.
#240. To: RickyJ (#225)
#241. To: FOH (#236)
Obama for president 2008
#242. To: Pinguinite (#238)
"I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter?"
Obama for president 2008
#243. To: Ferret Mike (#237)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#244. To: Ferret Mike (#242)
#245. To: Pinguinite (#244)
Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#246. To: wudidiz (#245)
(Edited)
Does it rain much?
Are there chemtrails there?
#247. To: Pinguinite (#246)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#248. To: wudidiz (#247)
#249. To: Pinguinite (#248)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#250. To: Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl (#243)
*crickets*
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#251. To: FOH, Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl, Pinguinite (#250)
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
#252. To: Pinguinite (#248)
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
#253. To: Pinguinite (#248)
(Edited)
I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#254. To: Dakmar (#252)
I'd love to take your tour, but remember to bring plenty of strechers.
#255. To: IndieTX (#253)
Could you introduce me to some local senoritas with whom I could enjoy those hot springs and tons of restaurants? How expensive are the places to stay?
#256. To: FOH (#250)
Obama for president 2008
#257. To: FOH (#243)
"You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar."
Obama for president 2008
#258. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#85. To: Mister Clean (#81)
The fact is this is a complex, well thought out proposal in the early days of it's attempted implementation.
Obama for president 2008
#259. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#77. To: Mister Clean (#75)
Obama for president 2008
#260. To: FOH (#250)
#10. To: lodwick (#1)
We need a large spool of rope and several trees with lots of large branchs to unify these "democracy loving" criminals trying to get past public sentiment in the most undemocratic way possible.
Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-10 17:07:43 ET
Obama for president 2008
#261. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)
I agree this is over the top. The powers that be obviously think they can do what they damn well please with no accountibility.
Ferret Mike posted on 2007-01-29 0:51:52 ET
Obama for president 2008
#262. To: Pinguinite (#254)
"The nice thing here is you can pick your desired climate pretty easily by choosing an appropriate place at the correct altitude. There are some remote places you can go that are cold, wet and miserable much of the time."
Obama for president 2008
#263. To: All, *Obama Reality Check* (#45)
To: Pinguinite
#264. To: Peppa (#263)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#265. To: Peppa (#263)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#266. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused. What a guy.....
#267. To: Pinguinite (#266)
I've never asked you to amend your murderous statement. What's the point? If it's not in you to do it...
#268. To: Jethro Tull (#267)
You shouldn't have the keys to a gumball machine.
#269. To: Pinguinite (#268)
Well, I got them so you can live with that or leave.
#270. To: Pinguinite (#265)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. And here I thought you put me on bozo. I suppose we can count on you to load Tull's gun so he can shoot an innocent girl. Are you a selfish, cold blooded killer like him?
#271. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused.
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
#272. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
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