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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#233. To: Ferret Mike (#232)
So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL
You merely prove my point. I am not angered by your attempt to insult because it is yourself whom you hurt. I've been on many forums and talked to many many people who were very formidable to argue with. So how is your attempt at character assasination over an opinion not your own going to hurt me? It only damages you, and it doesn't give me someone to debate, it shows me you more likely then not lack a foundation of familiarity with how the U.C. Constitution works and what it represents. My dear fellow interlocutor, someone who can only stand there sticking their rhetorical tongue out at me is not someone whom I worry about giving me a run for my money engaging them in debate or lively discussion in forum. Your inability to agree to disagree with someone is something that hurts you, not me. I'm sure you would say you support guns being used wisely, responsibly and with caution. They are not to brandish carelessly and just for effect. But you use other important constitutional rights foolishly and show you don't respect the freedom of speech and the responsibility having that right entails. You do not respect another's right to take issue with your views without trying to childishly mock them in an insulting manner rather then debate them respectfully or agreeing to disagree. Thanks for your post, you help reinforce and prove my point with it more then anything else. ;-)
X-15, He would be immune from criticism, and the media would be instructed accordingly. Notice here since the debate started that scrutiny is ignored.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html You make a fine North American citizen, comrade.
And I am supposed to be wounded by name calling? You don't listen well. I do not support the NAU's formation. Never have, never will, and it takes more then name calling to put me on the defensive. No, if you really want to hurt me, you need to but your mind in gear and engage me in discussion or debate and to put up your rhetorical fists and then to use them with effect and responsibly. A few rhetorical tongue pokes at me don't bother me. All they do is give me a welcome opening to explain where you are wrong here on a very basic level. You are welcome to engage me in battle on this issue, so far you really haven't.
Good post, Red. I don't like it either, in spite of my own comments. Maybe that's all it is. I *AM* very fed up with his continuous slamming of Ron Paul. Seems he never misses an opportunity to grind Ron Paul into the dirt on 4um with insults about him not being as good as Moses when he took on the pharoh. That is c**p and I'm sick of reading it. Though since posting, I do remember his role in making the RP ad, so I suppose that should be considered in his favor. I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter? A very good post, Red. Thank you.
Cyni, FYI ping. Seems you might be owed an apology.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
RickyJ thinks it would have been wrong to vote against those characters. Ari, if you did go to Oxford, Harvard, Yale, or wherever, then you must have a reasonably decent memory and know that I never said any such thing. You made it quite clear that you think it would have been wrong to vote against Hitler. When I asked you whether it would have been right to vote against Lenin, you did not answer. Mao and Stalin are not much of a stretch. Of course, if you're now saying you would vote against them, that makes my point that sometimes it is right to vote for a lesser evil to prevent a greater evil.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
*crickets*
You are not a deserter. You remain on the planet of your birth and are an Earthling in good standing in my book. ;-) More Americans should go to other countries and see how life is elsewhere for themselves. Part of the problem people have always had here is varying degrees of isolationism and xenophobia that is bested o fear and dehumanization of others with no good cause based on ignorance and fear that cause this sort of mindset.
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
Thanks Ferret. We've all long known one of the biggest problems with Americans in general is that they think the whole world revolves around the USA. Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
Is it warm there? Does it rain much? Are there chemtrails there?
In the Andes mountains where I am (in Quito), during the day if there's no cloud cover, then it can get warm quickly. At this altitude you can get burned quickly, in fact. It's usually sunny in the mornings. and cloudy/overcast in the afternoons. Under the clouds or in the evening a jacket is comfortable, and it can get cold. On the coast, where I lived for a year and a half, it's always warm and humid 24/7. It's usually overcast, which you want as the sun in those conditions makes you perspire instantly. But overall, it's reasonably comfortable there 9 months of the year from about April to December, and a bit steamy from Jan-March. On the coast (in Guayaquil), the rainy season runs from Jan-Mar. Heavy storms can hit then. But outside of that, it never rains. Here in Quito in rains regularly year-round. A lot is different between the sierra an the coast, culturally included. Definately a bit of political rivalry between the two also. I don't think I've yet seen one here in Quito, though I think this airspace has much pass-through airline traffic. Don't think I've seen them in Guayaquil either.
Things to do: 1. Buy plane ticket to Ecuador
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
Sounds very good, thank you.
You set 'em up, you knock 'em down, the check is in the mail.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I went to Phoenix about 17 years ago with some co-workers, idiots that wanted to go jogging up a giant pile of boulders looking for some dutch idiots treasure. I hit the water fountain before we left the parking lot, and even that was hot. I'd love to take your tour, but remember to bring plenty of strechers.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Could you introduce me to some local senoritas with whom I could enjoy those hot springs and tons of restaurants? How expensive are the places to stay?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx The nice thing here is you can pick your desired climate pretty easily by choosing an appropriate place at the correct altitude. There are some remote places you can go that are cold, wet and miserable much of the time.
My wife probably could when we've been here longer. She doesn't know too many locals here in Quito yet. An average decent hotel here is some 20-25 bucks a night for a couple. The hot springs resort has very high end rooms and bungalows that go for some $150/night. You can easily find a decent restaurant that charges about $10 a head for food and drink. At $20/head, you're in a very nice place.
Naturally that was posted with a bit of tongue in cheek humor. You are not impressing or bothering me with your High Noon, the movie tone you take and expectation that your approach to ad homenim attacks is effective or worthy of being a formidable response to that which offends little old you. Naturally, you are in no obligation to post immediately after a response to you. I've done political forums for some twelve years now, so don't fret, I understand this is not Yahoo chat. ;-) My experience is that someone with a chip on their shoulder does not come down off their high horse and start arguing the issue; attacking is much more fun and hard to stop for some once they start. As I said more then once this week, I am more then happy to promote Obama to get the Democratic nomination. And I like the guy for the most part so far and see potential in him despite the spins some are doing against him. And I do it because of the intolerance of viewpoints prompting ad hominem attacks, and you do nothing here but what I am expecting you or someone else to do. So you aren't going to bother me with your approach to your sort of barking dog on the porch attempt at browbeating me. My skin is thick enough to take it from you face to face, so how are your going to phase me with forum posts? I have been doing real life activism longer then I have been doing this sort of posting; that can be contentious and challenging, doing posting here is not. If you want to engage in a discussion on Obama, I am game for it, if not that is fine too.
#100. To: Mister Clean (#87) Mr. Clean quote:"Nobody within the US government has even HINTED at a NAU." Bull shit. Foundations and think tanks do the basic work with the inception and planning of these things to get around laws pertaining to open meetings and governmental transparency. Transparency helps nip bad ideas like this in the bud, so they do this elsewhere to protect them. They hide as much of the implementation of them to protect them. They are fooling nobody who knows how things work. Which is why you are an oddball here in this forum, as most people here know what is up, know what is happening, and that leaves you with only a jester's buffoon dance rhetorically to try to daze and confuse lurkers who read here. That is the reality of things chum, and that leaves you with no real traction in doing your shill work, and not much impact or influence as a result. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-11-23 12:16:59 ET http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=66842&Disp=100#C100
Tactically they know that the light of day endangers the whole thing, therefore shills like you work to enhance possible plausible denial, and alarmed citizens who do not want their country merged are going to et the word out, and will stop this, even if we have to wring the chicken necks of Benedict Arnolds like you on these forums and elsewhere to do so. Those are the facts of the matter, and that leaves supporters of this oppressive mess with big problems on their hands. Ferret Mike posted on 2007- 11-23 12:07:57 ET Want more? Or will two posts from my posting history suffice to debunk your rather presumptive and false statement regarding what I advocate and have posted in this forum? I also took part in the WTO demonstrations in Seattle and took part in street lock downs and other actions -- in fact, us Eugeneans were quite skilled in doing this well sort of non-violent dissent well. I know world trade is evil, and I know the NAU is a concept emanating from the same people giving us NAFTA and other bad treaties that have hurt this country terribly the past decade or so.
You are afraid of the facts. Face it, Fox would of flat denied the existence of a desire for the haves to merge these three countries and make managing the have nots easier. They can put into effect repressive laws superseding the U.S. Constitution with the excuse laws have to accommodate all three countries, so they will err on the repression side of things. The Trans-Texas corridor would not be being made if it ended there. No business model would support such a dead end high capital project, but they would section the project to improve secrecy of ultimate plans for the NAU and Amero currency, and to make handling the opponents easier as they outspend and wear them down state by state. You shill supporting ignorance and divisiveness in the face of the obvious realities facing us. You are the one with a serious problem here, not us. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-11-23 11:56:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I know you wouldn't want to miss this one either, so don't ever claim I never gave you anything. ;-)
They can have my country for their merger [to form the NAU]when my cold dead fingers cool around the gun stock I was holding while I was shooting. "We seek a free flow of information... a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people." --JFK, Feb 1962 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45466&Disp=10#C10 Different thread, same song from me.
This project is also likely the soften the U.S. up for the NAFTA highway. Look for glowing MSM stories about how much good this POS is doing and how much in jobs and income it is creating to tweak the public opinion polls to pass the American version of the Great Wall of China where the right of way is a controlled zone like the Panamanians had to put up with with the Canal Zone when we had the lease there. If we want to stop the NAFTA highway, we need to start by killing this monster. "We seek a free flow of information... a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people." --JFK, Feb 1962 http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=44567&Disp=3#C3 From a thread I posted on the Trans-Texas Corridor Project. That is three threads so far I posted against the NAU or trappings used to help impliment this monsterous plan. Yes, I did enjoy calling your mis-guided bluff that makes you wish you had run through my posting history to see how I posted on NAU threads, thank you very much. You asked to be embarrassed, and I hope you learn from this. I know all too well my deeply held opinions and what I have said on them in 4UM in the past. What I said is very easy to verify, please do so yourself next time. I shouldn't have to do this work for you.
To quite an extent that is the way it is in Oregon too.
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. Wow. bttt
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused. What a guy.....
Come on, Peppa. I prefer something more bold: And here I thought you put me on bozo. I suppose we can count on you to load Tull's gun so he can shoot an innocent girl. Are you a selfish, cold blooded killer like him?
I've never asked you to amend your murderous statement. What's the point? If it's not in you to do it...
You shouldn't have the keys to a gumball machine.
Well, I got them so you can live with that or leave.
delete me
So you don't believe in self defense... I get it.
God grant me the serenity Be happy, go lucky, go Lucky Strike today!
N.B. The Japanese, perhaps wisely, do not entirely trust expats.
Be happy, go lucky, go Lucky Strike today!
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#234. To: FOH (#233)
(Edited)
"So says the Obamaphile...LOLOL"
Obama for president 2008
#235. To: X-15 (#211)
Or, vote for Obama in the hope that a revolution breaks out and this nation gets set to order according to the Founding Fathers. I've previously stated that Hitlery as POTUS would accomplish something similar to that as her megalomania knows no bounds or decency. Obama is an amateur, and the White House is no place for amateurs.
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#237. To: FOH (#236)
(Edited)
Obama for president 2008
#238. To: Red Jones (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us.
Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us.
Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone.
#239. To: Red Jones, cynicom (#231)
I don't like to see us all fighting among us. I'm not an Obama-supporter, but if people want to think that he might be a good guy and support him, thats great IMHO. its not as if McCain or Clinton are good alternatives either you know. Cynicom is not a shill for anything but his own point of view which he relentlessly gives us. he does have some wisdom as well. Pinguinite is not a supporter of the NWO. He went to Ecuador for good reason and he's as much a patriot as anyone. almost nobody is happy with these last 3 choices. some of us here proceed as if our discussion here will determine the nation's future. That is foolish.
#240. To: RickyJ (#225)
#241. To: FOH (#236)
Obama for president 2008
#242. To: Pinguinite (#238)
"I thought leaving the USA was something most people here entertained as a serious solution. And now that I've done it, I'm something akin to a deserter?"
Obama for president 2008
#243. To: Ferret Mike (#237)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#244. To: Ferret Mike (#242)
#245. To: Pinguinite (#244)
Being in Ecuador has definitely challenged me in ways I did not expect, and that's been a good thing. Yes, everyone should get out and away every once in a while.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#246. To: wudidiz (#245)
(Edited)
Does it rain much?
Are there chemtrails there?
#247. To: Pinguinite (#246)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#248. To: wudidiz (#247)
#249. To: Pinguinite (#248)
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
#250. To: Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl (#243)
*crickets*
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#251. To: FOH, Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl, Pinguinite (#250)
You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar.
#252. To: Pinguinite (#248)
Sure, come on down. I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons. If you come I'll buy you dinner, wud. I may also be experienced enough to invite you to do some gold panning by then.
#253. To: Pinguinite (#248)
(Edited)
I tell people Quito is the city to visit. Great hot springs are just a couple hours away, and Quito has tons of very nice restaurants. Tons
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#254. To: Dakmar (#252)
I'd love to take your tour, but remember to bring plenty of strechers.
#255. To: IndieTX (#253)
Could you introduce me to some local senoritas with whom I could enjoy those hot springs and tons of restaurants? How expensive are the places to stay?
#256. To: FOH (#250)
Obama for president 2008
#257. To: FOH (#243)
"You don't support the NAU, but you never have a word to say about it and now you are supporting one of the Establishment's selected North American Unioners...you're real believable Corn Flake Liar."
Obama for president 2008
#258. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#85. To: Mister Clean (#81)
The fact is this is a complex, well thought out proposal in the early days of it's attempted implementation.
Obama for president 2008
#259. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#77. To: Mister Clean (#75)
Obama for president 2008
#260. To: FOH (#250)
#10. To: lodwick (#1)
We need a large spool of rope and several trees with lots of large branchs to unify these "democracy loving" criminals trying to get past public sentiment in the most undemocratic way possible.
Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-10 17:07:43 ET
Obama for president 2008
#261. To: FOH (#250)
(Edited)
#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)
I agree this is over the top. The powers that be obviously think they can do what they damn well please with no accountibility.
Ferret Mike posted on 2007-01-29 0:51:52 ET
Obama for president 2008
#262. To: Pinguinite (#254)
"The nice thing here is you can pick your desired climate pretty easily by choosing an appropriate place at the correct altitude. There are some remote places you can go that are cold, wet and miserable much of the time."
Obama for president 2008
#263. To: All, *Obama Reality Check* (#45)
To: Pinguinite
#264. To: Peppa (#263)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#265. To: Peppa (#263)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
#266. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused. What a guy.....
#267. To: Pinguinite (#266)
I've never asked you to amend your murderous statement. What's the point? If it's not in you to do it...
#268. To: Jethro Tull (#267)
You shouldn't have the keys to a gumball machine.
#269. To: Pinguinite (#268)
Well, I got them so you can live with that or leave.
#270. To: Pinguinite (#265)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. And here I thought you put me on bozo. I suppose we can count on you to load Tull's gun so he can shoot an innocent girl. Are you a selfish, cold blooded killer like him?
#271. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
When I first read this, I asked Neal to amend it. He refused.
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
#272. To: Jethro Tull (#264)
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