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Title: SHOCK POLL: CLINTON TAKES 20-POINT LEAD IN PA...
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American Research Group
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Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2008-04-14 12:50:08 by Horse
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April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%. Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older. 10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama's advertising is causing them to support Clinton. For details, click on the R or D for each state in the column on the left under 2008 Presidential Polls.
Poster Comment: The more people see of Obama the less they like. Has everyone at 4um heard that: Obama voted to make it illegal for homeowners to use a gun to protect themselves against home invasions? Obama voted twice to make it legal to kill babies born alive due to a mistake in a partial birth abortion. He made it lawful in Illinois to incinerate babies who were born after a partial birth abortion's failure. There are other votes and statements out there. He was gaining in Pennsylvania until he opened his mouth. 12 days ago I posted an article showing Obama'a big momentum in Pennsylvania. At that time I was hoping he could finally do Hillary in, but now I am not so sure.
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#91. To: Peppa (#85)
Never said that. I didn't do it nobody saw me do it you can't prove anything. All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A. Further, anyone that would choose to further promote the killing of innocent people in order to preserve the 2A for himself is a tyrant. "Freedom for me but not for thee" is not for me. Ummm.... you apparently missed FOH's insulting pics of Karl Marx. The USA is a corpse waiting to fall over. Financially, it's most likely that the country is done. The Constitution has been shot to hell. Talk of "preserving rights" might simply be a mere vain echo of better times long past. Ergo, it may well be time to recalibrate our priorities. Seems to me stopping the killing should rank high on the list. Thanks.
Signed.... Neil
If you favor McCain, you might as well join hands and sing along: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran". Vote for him if you want FOH. I'll pass.
and if there's anyone on this thread who thinks that pinguinite is not a hero - then I'd have to reach into my bag of official constrution job-site terminology to tell you what I think, but the sanitized version is that you can kiss my ass, and I dare say there aint one of you tough enough to kick my ass.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Vote for him if you want FOH. I'll pass. Who *WHO* WHO are you talking about? If you don't support Obama, then you support McJuan? Have you been living under a rock? Do you pay attention to what's going on in this forum before you pop off with stupid pro-Establishment, pro-Marxist, anti-RKBA statements? You've lost your mind by all appearances...
LOLOL!!!
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear. There is enough blame for attrocities to go around for everyone. What if I were to say, stop food deliveries in Ecuador, as it feeds criminals. Would that be a true statement?
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ping... During my time this country has been bombing someone nearly all of the time. It makes no difference as to who sits in the Oval office, no difference as to party, no difference as to the character or words espoused by a man. As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead. If for one minute you believe that Obama is going to change course, you are sadly mistaken. Your words have taken me aback. I would hope your view over the horizon has not also become clouded.
Someone got to McNeil and he went plum I don't understand the logic, I'm hoping to though.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Even when things are not understandable, make no sense, there is indeed an underlying intent, cause and or purpose. Always.
This is true. Obama has helped bring focus to wider plans here and abroad. His foreign policy advisors and their writings, are key to understanding Obamas statements and shifting positions.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Agreed.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Thank you very much, Red. Most of those days you speak of are behind me, at least for now. I've not forgotten your pmail and will reply to it. I've got an errand to run right now so am stepping away for a bit.
Good luck with that. I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I'm hoping, like with Mel Gibson, that it was just the alcohol/weed/substance talkin...(/eye roll) As it goes, some things are clearer regardless. I guess this place will be closing up shop.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html I'm glad you liked it.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Christine got back into her right mind, so maybe there's hope for Obamanite...although if you had told me during Sally's El Pee - Ron Paul purgeathon that this place would become Obama4um, I'd have to have said "Pass".
Yes, you're THE tuffest fer shur...what's next, whip'em out and measure? It just caught me funny. I feel the same way and with very good reason...
I'm going to have a smoke.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html you know how it is in a fight. the most vicious one wins. some victory. note to self - must temper such thoughts.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Yeah. After a guy's knee is wrenched, he's lost some teeth, has a few cracked ribs and his balls are busted before his nose is pinned against his cheek...you wish the dumb SOB had just minded his own business in the first place.
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man. You're where you belong.
Hi Red, I'm back. Thanks again for the very kind words. Very kind words indeed. But I can't accept this compliment. Most people don't give a hoot about freedoms. Of those that do, most only complain and a few take action rising to civil disobedience. While I've done that, there are a large number of names and/or faces I personally know that have dwarfed me in their efforts and in the prices they have paid. So no, this compliment I must objectively defer to numerous others. I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
" I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty." True, I was shocked at your use of language. "these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right." That is your opinion, which has nothing to do with our rights. Your argument is with voters that have voted in huge numbers for three people that have not said they will stop the war in Iraq. Supporting any one of the three is support for more war, more blood and dying, the very thing you abhor. There is no reconciliation of the two.
Ah.....we left LP & FU because we felt strongly about the war. And what exactly would you have us do about the dying Iraqis?
a man (Obama) who has no respect for the rights and lives of Americans (he wants to take away our right to self defense) cannot have regard for the lives of iraqis, afganis, pakistanis, iranians, or any other country's peoples.
You're further gone than I would have ever believed.
I second that motion.
The logic here is skewed. #1. ) Obama appears is not the same as Obama is #2. ) he'd be the moral candidate of choice according to whom? #3. ) the candidate most likely to draw down the empire ...whatever his stance is on the 2A... means exactly what? It seems you're saying that anyone who doesn't vote for Obama because of his stance on denying citizens the right to own guns is promoting the killing of innocents? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hush your mouth.
The Os laughingly tried to put us in a position of accepting the loss of a Constitutional right as a trade off for world peace. Pass the magic mushrooms....
I apparently pay far more attention to it than you have to what I've said on this very thread.
I'm sorry but your paragraph was anything but clear. As an aside, Ecuador can well sustain it's own population without food imports, but your hypothetical point is taken. But the question of whether it'll be Cain, Hill, or Obama is not hypothetical. It'll be one of those 3.
You may well be right. But if so, why does preferring Obama win make me a commie? If you're right, it doesn't matter, does it cyni? It WILL be one of those 3. If you think they are all the same, then why not stop being shocked and just say, "I guess maybe we'll see".
Thanks, but I don't think I could afford a BG right now! Might get a gun though. (Now my adversaries will REALLY be confused).
For someone who's not my enemy, you sure don't mind tossing insults my way.
You're where you belong. Okay JT. If you're gonna insult me and my record, put your self in the spot light and lets see who's better. If you've done more civil disobedience than me, fine, I have to kiss your ass. But if I've done more than you, you have to kiss my ass, and either apologize for being a hypocritical idiot OR have this thread be a permanent millstone around your neck. If you take my deal, fess up. For starters, how long have you driven without a driver's license? How long have you gone without using an SSN? Bank acocunts? Maybe you can think about that this evening on your way to the PO to get your 1040 postmarked by the midnight deadline. Again, if you've done more than me, then I'll bow down. Ball's in your court. Let me know if you're playing or not.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war.
I guess I didn't see anyone accuse you of being a commie..
But commies and marxists want a disarmed society. So by extention, supporting a candidate(s) that furthers the elimination of the 2A, a bite at a time, is communisim growing stronger a bite at a time.
Pin, I'm not your enemy. Thanks for clarifying. Seems a bunch of people here aren't so sure.
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#88)
For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.
4/15/2008
#93. To: FOH (#89)
If you aren't for Obama, you're a McInnocentKiller apparently...
#94. To: All (#90)
and you're our hero
#95. To: Pinguinite (#93)
If you favor McCain, you might as well join hands and sing along: "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#96. To: Red Jones (#94)
I dare say there aint one of you tough enough to kick my ass.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#97. To: Pinguinite (#91)
(Edited)
Then maybe a clarifying statement from you re: 2a for the rest of us might be comforting. It was most confusing to me, as it suggested that by taking it away would somehow protect innocents blasted to pieces in the war. Never said that. I didn't do it nobody saw me do it you can't prove anything.
#98. To: Pinguinite, Peppa, Jethro Tull (#93)
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb
#99. To: Peppa (#97)
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What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#100. To: All (#99)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#101. To: FOH (#99)
#102. To: Peppa (#101)
I don't understand the logic, I'm hoping to though.
#103. To: Cynicom (#98)
As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead.
#104. To: Cynicom (#102)
Even when things are not understandable, make no sense, there is indeed an underlying intent, cause and or purpose. Always.
#105. To: Red Jones (#90)
#106. To: Peppa (#101)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#107. To: Pinguinite (#105)
#108. To: FOH (#106)
Good luck with that.
#109. To: FOH (#96)
LOLOL!!!
#110. To: Peppa, christine (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#111. To: Red Jones (#109)
I'm glad you liked it.
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#112. To: FOH (#110)
#113. To: FOH (#111)
I feel the same way and with very good reason...
#114. To: Red Jones (#113)
What North American Union? STOP the North American Union!
~~~~~> Have you seen THIS yet? TIME IS RUNNING OUT!
#115. To: Pinguinite (#92)
All I said was that the USA is going down, and given that it's going down, the best moral thing we can do is abandon the imperial state ASAP so that no more innocent people die. Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A
#116. To: Red Jones (#90)
because believe me others have paid a high price too, others have similar stories too and paid high prices too, that's something I personally know. but none more magnificantly than you.
but you seem a little out-of-sorts today. and you're our hero. we don't want that to happen.
#117. To: Pinguinite (#116)
I think this is the first thread on 4um where I've gotten down n dirty. But when it comes to the wanton destruction of life, it seemed an appropriate time to stand up for the right to live. I'm surprised to learn that these few who challenge me don't care if Iraqis enjoy that right.
#118. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#119. To: Pinguinite (#116)
#120. To: Pinguinite (#56)
#121. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
Now take a normal pill and retract that goofy gun statement.
#122. To: Pinguinite (#91)
Since Obama appears to be the candidate most likely to draw down the empire he'd be the moral candidate of choice in spite of all else including whatever his stance is on the 2A. Further, anyone that would choose to further promote the killing of innocent people in order to preserve the 2A for himself is a tyrant.
#123. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#124. To: angle (#122)
#125. To: FOH (#95)
Do you pay attention to what's going on in this forum
#126. To: Peppa (#97)
You made the statement Pin. To safeguard the 2A at the expense of the innocents. As if that's what its intent is, as well as those that believe in its original intent. Your statement was nonsense. Sorry, it was. And has nothing to do with the war. But it does have to do with survival of other innocents. I can't make it any more clear.
There is enough blame for attrocities to go around for everyone. What if I were to say, stop food deliveries in Ecuador, as it feeds criminals. Would that be a true statement?
#127. To: Cynicom (#98)
As we speak, this government is preparing for events and war far beyond our imagination. This sideshow in Iraq is just that, a pretext to keep things moving ahead. If for one minute you believe that Obama is going to change course, you are sadly mistaken.
#128. To: Red Jones (#107)
any time you need a body-guard you just let me know. LOL!
#129. To: Peppa (#108)
I guess this place will be closing up shop.
#130. To: Jethro Tull (#115)
Who are you to lecture us about morality, Mr. LWAN? When The Man came, you got on your knees despite all your phony stories. The above is the most tortured logic I've ever read and unworthy of a free man.
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