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Title: Obama Remark ‘Elitist,’ McCain Says
Source: New York Times
URL Source: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... remark-elitist-mccain-says/?hp
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Ariel Alexovich
Post Date: 2008-04-14 14:36:12 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 977
Comments: 56

Obama Remark ‘Elitist,’ McCain Says

April 14, 2008, 12:35 pm

By Ariel Alexovich

WASHINGTON — John McCain called Barack Obama’s recent comments that Pennsylvanians are “bitter” an “elitist” remark but stopped short of calling Mr. Obama himself elitist.

“I don’t know Senator Obama very well,” Senator McCain said, addressing a packed crowd of journalists at a newspaper editors’ conference on Monday. Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, spoke at length about how small town Americans in places like Pennsylvania are the backbone of America. Those folks don’t support the Second Amendment because of recent economic hardships, Mr. McCain said, they do it because that’s been part of their values system for generations.

“These are the people that produced a generation that made the world safe for democracy,” Mr. McCain said. “These are the people that have fundamental cultural, spiritual, and other values that in my view have very little to do with their economic condition.”

To suggest otherwise, Mr. McCain said, is “a fundamental contradiction to what I believe America is all about.”

Senator McCain also denied flip-flopping on the mortgage issue. He has been criticized for initially being against government aid to homeowners struggling under the weight of their hefty mortgages.

Now, Mr. McCain has said he supports limited bailouts because “Americans are hurting.”

But he warned against too much government intervention. “Massive bailouts puts debt on future generations,” he said.

The chummy question-and-answer portion of Monday’s event began with a mutual peace offering. The panel hosts gave guest speaker John McCain a coffee with cream and sugar, and several Dunkin’ donuts — with sprinkles.

“My favorite!” he said.

In return, he told the packed auditorium of journalists that he supports a shield law — which allows reporters to protect their sources — albeit narrowly. He doesn’t support the shield law if it infringes upon national security, specifically citing The New York Times’s decision to disclose a government wiretapping program “too close to crossing that line.” “It is, frankly, a license to do harm, perhaps serious harm,” Mr. McCain said in his opening remarks. “But it is also a license to do good; to disclose injustice and unlawfulness and inequities; and to encourage their swift correction.”

Mr. McCain didn’t give up the names of people he’s considering for vice president, only that he hopes to make a decision “sooner rather than later.” During the casual Q-and-A, he also joked that he’d fall into a “deep depression” if he loses the general election.

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#3. To: aristeides (#0)

McCain still has not released his taxes. It has been reported that John and Cindy own 8 homes, and through her, they live a lavish lifestyle, well beyond what most in the Senate live; certainly well beyond the way most Americans live.

So who is the elitist again?

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   16:31:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3) (Edited)

So who is the elitist again?

They're ALL elitists...that what we're trying to tell you.

angle  posted on  2008-04-14   16:35:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: angle, robin (#4)

They're ALL elitists...that what we're trying to tell you.

Amazing that some people still can't grasp that. It's like George Carlin says: It's a big elitist club, and you ain't in it...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-14   17:23:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vitamin Z (#7)

Amazing that some people still can't grasp that. It's like George Carlin says: It's a big elitist club, and you ain't in it...

Doesn't really matter if they are elitists or not. What does matter are their voting records. That alone is enough to oppose all of them. Voting for the lesser of two evils still gives you evil. That's the game the real elite want you to keep on playing. I will never play that game again. Never.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-14   17:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: RickyJ (#9)

Voting for the lesser of two evils still gives you evil

So you wouldn't have voted for Kerensky against Lenin? You wouldn't have voted for German democrats (many of whom were socialists) against Hitler?

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   18:46:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: aristeides (#11)

Voting for evil gives you evil. The German democrats could have been just as bad or worse than Hitler. We will never know becasue they didn't win. If Obama wins someday people may look back and say McCain would have been the lesser of the two evils. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback after the game has already been played. I refuse to play their game. I will vote for the person who stands for what I believe in. If no such person is running or exists then I will vote for myself. Feeling good about who you vote for is something very few people can do. If more people said to heck with the media-picked candidates and voted for who they really liked then we would have true democracy. What we have now is really an illusion of democracy which is in reality a mainstream media controlled autocracy.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-04-14   19:18:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: RickyJ (#12)

The German democrats could have been just as bad or worse than Hitler.

Only they weren't, for the nearly 15 years that they ruled Germany.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-14   19:20:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#13)

Only they weren't, for the nearly 15 years that they ruled Germany.

That is one mans opinion Ari. Having had friends from Eastern Germany for many years, they did not and would not mow agree with you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-14   19:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#14)

That is one mans opinion Ari. Having had friends from Eastern Germany for many years, they did not and would not mow agree with you.

Ari's little Oxford profs prolly forgot to teach him about Weimar's decadence and corruption. That prolly explains why ari appears to be a good little Marxist NWO lapdog.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-14   20:08:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vitamin Z (#19)

Ari's little Oxford profs prolly forgot to teach him about Weimar's decadence and corruption.

Ari has an obsession about Hitler.

My friends were there before Hitler, after Hitler, but left after the "communists" liberated them.

One, his Godfather was thrown in Dachau, another her Father was thrown in prison several times by the Gestapo. When the German Jews and their Russian friends arrived, thousands fled. Ari never mentions Marcus Wolf and his Stasi friends but he recalls Hitler vividly.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-14   20:17:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#22)

But what has that to do with Weimar? Who here thinks Weimar was worse than Nazi Germany?

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   20:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: robin (#24)

Here comes ari's little bootlicker friend, right on cue!

haha- j/k robin

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-14   20:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vitamin Z (#25)

But do you think that Weimar was worse than Nazi Germany? Not that I asked you, but since you've chimed in.

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   20:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robin (#26)

But do you think that Weimar was worse than Nazi Germany? Not that I asked you, but since you've chimed in.

Prolly depends on who you ask. A Jew, Communist, or other minority would probably say the Nazis were worse. Some white, working class Germans would probably say Weimar was worse because the leaders sold out Germany and turned the country to decadence.

Now your turn: Who was worse, Lenin or Stalin?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-14   20:33:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vitamin Z (#27)

Probably Stalin.

I cannot imagine any German saying Weimar was worse than Nazi Germany - the fallout was a killer.

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   20:35:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#29)

I cannot imagine any German saying Weimar was worse than Nazi Germany - the fallout was a killer.

Yes, but the fallout to Weimar was -- Nazi Germany.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-04-14   20:45:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vitamin Z (#32)

Weimar + Versailles + World Depression = Nazi Germany

Weimar itself was not an evil, aggressive regime.

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   20:49:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: robin (#33)

Weimar itself was not an evil, aggressive regime.

If you check the records, three months after Versailles, the Weimar General Staff, General Hans von Seeckt in particular was drawing up the invasion plans for France and the Low countries. In fact, von Seeckts plan of invasion thru the Ardennes was used by Hitler with only minor changes.

Further, if you check, you will find that thousands of German soldiers and airmen were trained in the Soviet Union during the Weimar time. Trained for what???? World War two. All of this long before Hitler arrived on the scene.

It is all there, but usually not in the history books. Russia was the main instrument in the training of the German army and air force, all in contravention of Versailles. All during the years of Weimar.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-14   21:00:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#34)

General Hans von Seeckt

I never heard that, but history says he didn't get his way either - Weimar invaded nobody.

robin  posted on  2008-04-14   21:08:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: robin (#35)

- Weimar invaded nobody.

The Army they built and trained in secret in violation of the Versailles treaty DID.

Mind you this was all done with the full aid of the Soviet Union at hidden bases.

Did you ever consider it odd that the opening bell of WW2 was the invasion of Poland by Germany and Russia? Their armies and air forces had been training together for years. All under the Weimar.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-14 21:16:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: robin (#35)

robin...

Even wikipede has a writeup that explains Weimar and Russia.

link

Cynicom  posted on  2008-04-14 21:49:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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