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Title: Barack Obama turns to damage limitation after polls beating
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Times Online (UK)
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... s_elections/article3745785.ece
Published: Apr 14, 2008
Author: Tim Reid
Post Date: 2008-04-14 16:08:42 by nolu_chan
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Comments: 37
From Times Online Barack Obama turns to damage limitation after polls beating Tim Reid in Pittsburgh Barack Obama sought to turn the tables on Hillary Clinton today over his controversial remarks that small town Americans "cling" to guns and religion, amid signs that the issue has damaged him. In separate appearances before an audience of steelworkers in Pittsburgh, a week before Pennsylvania's primary, the Democratic rivals attacked each other aggressively, with one new poll showing Mrs Clinton opening up a formidable 20-point lead in the Keystone State. The American Research Group survey comes after a string of polls last week showed him pulling to within five points of Mrs Clinton in Pennsylvania. Yesterday's poll, taken since the "guns and religion" controversy erupted, puts Mrs Clinton ahead 57 per cent to 37, and leading among white voters 64 points to 29. The ARG polls can be unreliable and another survey, by Temple University in Philadelphia, gave Mrs Clinton a nine-point lead. Last week Mr Obama, at a fundraiser in San Francisco, tried to explain why he has trouble attracting white, working class voters, a large voting bloc in Pennsylvania. He said that frustrated with their economic plight, "it's not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Mrs Clinton has spent the past three days calling Mr Obama "elitist" and "out of touch", and told the steelworkers audience that his remarks were "offensive". John McCain, in Washington, echoed that criticism. She has argued that such remarks could doom Mr Obama in a general election against Mr McCain and believes it has given her a genuine chance to reshape the Democratic race. Speaking to the steelworkers, Mr Obama accused Mrs Clinton of being a dishonest panderer. He conceded that the words he used in his "bitter" remarks were badly chosen, then rounded on his rival, questioning her opposition to free trade agreements fiercely opposed by his union audience. "Around election time, the candidates can't do enough for you. They'll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer," Mr Obama said to loud laughter. Mrs Clinton did just that in an Indiana bar on Saturday. Turning to the North American Free Trade Agreement, passed by her husband and which Mrs Clinton backed in 1993, but now opposes, Mr Obama said: "You can't spend the better part of two decades campaigning for NAFTA...and then come here to Pennsylvania, and tell the steelworkers you've been with them all along." At a union hall in Pennsylvania on Sunday night, Mr Obama said Mrs Clinton seemed a lot more interested in guns and hunting since he made his controversial remarks. "She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen ... she is talking like she is Annie Oakley," Mr Obama said, mockingly comparing her to a legendary American sharpshooter. James Bitonti, a retired steelworker, said Mr Obama's remarks "are going to hurt him big time." Yet most steelworkers spoken to by The Times said it was merely an irrelevant distraction. Indeed, in a part of Pennsylvannia and before an audience that should favour Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama's speech was far more warmly received.
April 14, 2008
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#1. To: nolu_chan (#0)
Whoever is running her and her campaign is brilliant. Throwing back a shot and a beer...it makes her human, just the impression she needs to give. Absolutely brilliant. (Is Carvile on board?)
Better than snorting coke.
God is always good!
Now we hill billy gun lovers can "relate" to that. LOL
Where you been...quite dull around here without your snips.
I been dodging the law again, we cuzins do that you know. I have been reading those that continue to paddle upstream in their little dinghies. LOL
Not officially, anyway. "WE no longer handle domestic races and have not taken on a new client since President Clinton in 1992." Ol' Snakehead was good entertainment.
Hillary can only have one vacuum cleaner nose in the family. Bill could fill in for Rudolph at Christmas.
i find obama's accusation of xenophobia by small-towners (whites he means) much more troubling than the part about them clinging to guns and religion.
[christine] i find obama's accusation of xenophobia by small-towners (whites he means) much more troubling than the part about them clinging to guns and religion. What he said was that people in economic plight express the frustration or anger about their economic plight by "antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." That is just an observation of essential truth that has happened for centuries. In towns where half the former citizens have left, and others need a passport to visit their former jobs, anger and bitterness will not be all that difficult to find. Frustration and anger are often transferred or misdirected inappropriately - kicking the dog, beating the wife, or screaming in anger at an inanimate object. It happens. April 14, 2008 FROM CNN’s Jack Cafferty: * * * Here’s my question to you: How harmful will Barack Obama’s “bitter” remarks be to his candidacy? I think this another overblown and overhyped non-issue. The latest round of polls seems to indicate it has not had much effect.
The argument of
late has been about ILLEGAL immigrants, and when a politician, today, omits
the word ILLEGAL when discussing a immigrants, it's done intentionally. Not a
soul I know cares a thing about LEGAL immigration, it's ILLEGAL immigration
that has us taxed out of our homes and made us bitter. In his statement, Obama
seems to have intentionally blurred the immigrant line, as all pro ILLEGAL
immigrant advocates do.
None of the three are going to do a damn thing about restoring this country. Not a one will reverse Nafta, challenge illegal immigration or end the wars. None. The republic is dead. Voting is an exercise to keep the sheeple distracted.
I couldn't agree more. Whichever stooge is chosen at the end will be a straw man to the power behind the curtain - a custodian for the Agenda.
Here's something a bit more pertinent and I'd like your take on it. I read some of what polak at lf writes and he's shown a good bit of insight about these kinds of regimes. Specifically I want to know how one might protect a small farm from the onset of a program like this: EXCERPT: Today's word to learn for Americans is Holodomor. The scenario of this game is as follows: 1. Bolshevik Jews take over the capitol 2. Bolshevik Jews rule over all the country through terror and fear EXCEPT in the areas where people still can be self-sustaining through family farms 3. Destruction of family farms becomes key goal of the regime. The independent farmers aka Kulaks aka "Survivalists" are declared the enemies of the people, directly responsible for starving the good obedient sheep of the cities 4. An emergency program is instituted where bolshevik commissars sweep through kulak areas confiscating any and all food, including grain saved for planting the next year. 5. What used to be the world's premiere breadbasket is turned into a massive excersise in cannibalism. Bon Apetit!!!!! Long live Comrade Chertoff!!! Only he can save America from the evil Kulak Survivalists of the Flyover Country!!!
angle... I know, you dont agree with my pitiful offerings, boo hoo, but I want to laud you for this one. You need however to hit people aside the head with a 2x4 to get their attention.
I was shocked by Neil's comments yesterday. Not because they were said in any particularly vulgar or shocking way, but by what was conveyed in those posts. People think there's some difference in voting for one of the 3. I would like that to be the case, but it isn't. What to do now?
According to Ping... His use of language was INTENDED for shock effect. On personal character it had that effect, on content it was a total failure. Then trying to paper it over became embarrassing. Trying to justify to others voting for system candidate is asinine. Anyone that cares to vote for Obama is ones choice.
That was the question I need you to answer.
angle... http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080416/METRO/556828862/1001
So all that's left is wishing our way out of it?
"It's inevitable," said Cham E. Dallas, director of the Institute for Health Management and Mass Destruction Defense at the University of Georgia, who has charted the potential explosion's effect in the District and testified before a hearing of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. "I think it's wistful to think that it won't happen by 20 years." Will the people read, ponder and consider??? No.
I guess some people can hardly wait for it to start.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Certainly the plight of our country as a republic is dire.
So...let me ask you the same question. What to do now?
english.aljazeera.net/NR/...5C5-8C46-950C6541801D.htm Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Dr Shiva: There are a number of reasons why the prices of food commodities are rising in India. The first is related to economic policies – the policies of integrating India with global markets. There is a huge agrarian crisis but it's not from the beginning of our freedom, it's not a leftover of feudalism. The agrarian crisis is a result of globalisation. "With the price rise, I can see about 70 to 80 per cent of India will be pushed into hunger and starvation" Dr Vandana Shiva, ecologist: "The farmers who are committing suicide in India are precisely in those areas where genetically engineered cotton is being grown by Monsanto [a chemicals and agricultural science corporation]. This is a new crisis. A small farmer could make a living in this country a few years ago. Today, as a result of globalisation, agriculture is being run down. We have grown enough wheat in the last few years – 74 million tonnes. We are still self-reliant in food, but we are being forced to import; both under the multilateral globalisation free trade agreements as well as under bilateral arrangements like a crazy treaty called the Agriculture Knowledge Initiative between the US and India. It was signed at the same time as the nuclear treaty was signed. The nuclear agreement has had a lot of political attention. The agriculture treaty has had absolutely no attention."
To answer that question... It has been quite clear by the voting Americans that endless war is acceptable, even greater war is now on the table and they approve. With that in mind, and you look a long way down the road, it does not bode well for the better. Paul offered a stop order method but the voters gave him the back of their hand. Therefore, there are two things that come to mind. Do nothing, live for today because tomorrow you may die, or plan for survival.
Which one are you doing?
At my age, do nothing. I have said this for a some time, 50 and under you are a winner for sure, 50 to 60, even odds, over 60 odds for you. My age, dont sweat it, it dont matter.
yes.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Yeah brilliant, latest nationwide poll .... Obama 51% Hitlery 40. Just keep it up. Hillary will be running around the White House re-arranging the furniture she stole last time, hiding incriminating documents, and sending her minions out to steal FBI files while Slick's getting BJ's in his new quarters.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Only here in cynicism land. Talk about bitter.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Like Red State nation said, they don't mind Obama's comments half as much as Hillary defending them (or words to that effect), here: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78023 'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
Just wait I guess.
But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?'...So we'll go down a series of talking points. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. [snip] -- B.Obama - audio from the April 6, 08 Obama fundraiser in S.F. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html Ah, I love the smell of fresh fear in the morning.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
My age, dont sweat it, it dont matter. Childless Cyni? Gee, who'da guessed it?
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
That smell isn't fear. It's the stuff stuck on the bottom of your penny loafer.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where's the strategy for playing the game if you're a small farmer? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- It all depends on whether or not the people of the area will be able to understand the game. If yes, you have to get ready. That would include being able to wage guerrilla war on the Bolsheviks. Meaning, you have to have the survival base off the beaten track, food and ammo storage, etc. If you determine that people of your area are unable to comprehend that, you have to be willing to bail out to survive. But, what matters most is the attitude, or the state of mind. IF the dustup comes, you have to be ready to not fuck around, if you excuse my language. IF you have a government that starts killing people and robbing their food, you have to be willing and ready to give them more trouble than they are able to give you. Once it goes down that path, the result pretty much is determined by who is able to be more ruthless. A sane man should do everything possible to prevent such mess from developing, but once it is going on he must be ready to go all the way. If he is not, he dies. What this means in practice, is following: Systematic destruction of all logistics and infrastructure Destruction of power lines, railway lines, freeway bridges, oil pipes, gas pipes, etc, etc. People often think that the totalitarians of this era will have it easier than their historical predecessors because they have all the hi-tech toys. In my view, this actually is an achiles heel. At the times of the Russian Revolution, say a train full of armed Bolsheviks was fully functional fighting unit that needed NOTHING from the headquarters. They would chop the train fuel from the forest, rob all the food they needed and could go on forever. As long as they had enough ammo, they could rob and pillage with impunity and it would be hard to stop them. The way to stop them would have been to destroy all the railway lines, but the Russians must not have been smart enough to do it sufficiently. Also, the countryside could not put the squeeze on the sheep of the cities because the cities were far more self-reliant. Compare to the amount of support a present day fighting unit needs from the headquarters. Also, today's cities can be turned into cannibalistic slaughterhouses by cutting food, fuel or electricity off. It's that simple.
Sounds something like resistance in Iraq.
throw back a shot and a beer," Mr Obama said to loud laughter. Mrs Clinton did just that in an Indiana bar on Saturday.
#2. To: nolu_chan (#0)
They'll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer,"
#3. To: angle (#1)
Throwing back a shot and a beer...it makes her human, just the impression she needs to give. Absolutely brilliant. (Is Carvile on board?)
#4. To: Cynicom (#3)
#5. To: angle (#4)
Where you been
#6. To: angle (#1)
(Is Carvile on board?)
#7. To: RickyJ (#2)
Better than snorting coke.
#8. To: nolu_chan (#0)
"....antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment,...."
#9. To: christine (#8)
[Article] He said that frustrated with their economic plight, "it's not surprising they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.co...emocratic-fight/#comments
Many interesting comments at the link on all sides of it.
“Bitter” Democratic fight
Posted: 01:56 PM ET
#10. To: nolu_chan (#9)
anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a
way to explain their frustrations." That is just an observation of essential
truth that has happened for centuries.
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#12. To: angle (#11)
Voting is an exercise to keep the sheeple distracted
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#14. To: angle (#13)
#15. To: Cynicom, piguinite (#14)
#16. To: angle (#15)
Not because they were said in any particularly vulgar or shocking way, but by what was conveyed in those posts. People think there's some difference in voting for one of the 3. I would like that to be the case, but it isn't.
#17. To: Cynicom (#16)
What to do now?
#18. To: angle (#17)
#19. To: Cynicom (#18)
#20. To: angle (#19)
So all that's left is wishing our way out of it?
#21. To: angle (#19)
So all that's left is wishing our way out of it?
#22. To: Peppa (#21)
(Edited)
#23. To: Peppa (#21)
#24. To: All (#13)
#25. To: angle (#23)
So...let me ask you the same question. What to do now?
#26. To: Cynicom (#25)
#27. To: angle (#26)
Do nothing, live for today because tomorrow you may die, or plan for survival.
#28. To: angle (#22)
Certainly the plight of our country as a republic is dire.
#29. To: angle (#1)
Whoever is running her and her campaign is brilliant. Throwing back a shot and a beer...it makes her human, just the impression she needs to give. Absolutely brilliant. (Is Carvile on board?)
#30. To: nolu_chan (#9)
The latest round of polls seems to indicate it has not had much effect.
#31. To: iconoclast (#29)
Hillary Annie Oakley
#32. To: angle (#23)
So...let me ask you the same question. What to do now?
#33. To: Cynicom, angle (#18)
#34. To: Cynicom (#27)
At my age, do nothing.
#35. To: iconoclast (#33)
Ah, I love the smell of fresh fear in the morning.
#36. To: All, cynicom, Jethro Tull, peppa (#13)
Here's what polak at lf wrote to me in response:
#37. To: angle (#36)
Destruction of power lines, railway lines, freeway bridges, oil pipes, gas pipes, etc, etc.
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