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Title: 'Hunters & Shooters' endorse Obama, group says he supports gun rights
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hunte ... dorses_Obama_says_he_0416.html
Published: Apr 16, 2008
Author: Nick Juliano
Post Date: 2008-04-16 13:59:52 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 955
Comments: 63

Less than a week after coming under fire for saying small-town Pennsylvanians "cling to" gun rights, Barack Obama picked up the endorsement of a pro-gun association that has backed Democratic candidates in the past.

The American Hunters & Shooters Association said Obama's views of the 2nd Amendment have been unfairly criticized and its endorsement comes as Obama's opponents are characterizing him as an "elitist" and condescending towards gun-owners.

The group sets itself apart from the "more extreme" elements of the pro-gun lobby like the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America. Unlike them, AHSA favors some gun-control measures like background checks and required safety courses for concealed weapons permits. (The NRA has accused the group of being a front for the anti-gun lobby.)

Ray Schoenke, the hunters association's president, cited Obama's support of an amendment to a Department of Homeland Security funding bill that would prevent the government from confiscating citizens' guns during an emergency. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, and 16 other senators voted against the amendment.

"She turned her back on America's gun owners," Schoenke said during a conference call organized by the Obama campaign Wednesday.

Schoenke said the group reached out to the Obama campaign several weeks ago, before the recent controversy surrounding his comments about small-town voters. In announcing their support in the midst of the controversy, though, the group hoped to "set the record straight," about Obama's support of an individual's right to gun ownership, he said.

"We understand that the gun issue is going to be very important in this election," said Bob Ricker, the group's executive director, citing an ongoing Supreme Court case regarding a handgun ban in Washington, DC. "Up until this time, the candidates haven't really been willing to talk about guns." (1 image)

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#4. To: robin (#0)

The group sets itself apart from the "more extreme" elements of the pro-gun lobby like the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America.

Are you serious? The NRA and GOA "extreme"? Do you agree these groups are extreme, robin?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-16   14:18:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

I don't know enough about them, but I do recall someone here saying the NRA was a front.

Ray Schoenke, the hunters association's president, cited Obama's support of an amendment to a Department of Homeland Security funding bill that would prevent the government from confiscating citizens' guns during an emergency. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, and 16 other senators voted against the amendment.

"She turned her back on America's gun owners," Schoenke said during a conference call organized by the Obama campaign Wednesday.

This I did not know, did you?

robin  posted on  2008-04-16   14:47:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robin (#21)

I don't know enough about them, but I do recall someone here saying the NRA was a front.

Well let me help you robin. There isn't a sole on this forum who'd say the NRA or the GAO is extreme, except for the president of The American Hunters & Shooters Association, who is Democrat politician wannabe.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-16   14:59:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation's capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.

Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

Novak: Obama's Second- Amendment Dance.

A nuanced position.

At least if Novak is to be believed, Hillary has never taken Obama's position that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.

aristeides  posted on  2008-04-16   15:07:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: aristeides (#25)

From the article;

Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

He doesn't believe in an individual right to keep and bear arms. Obama believes in local "common sense" restrictions on guns (whatever that means). Novak hasn't received an answer on his position regarding the current DC Supreme Court case that is pending, or what he specifically means by local "common sense" restrictions.

Nice try.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-16   16:22:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms.

Like 6 year olds should not own guns? I call that common sense. It might be worth pursuing what Obama thinks is common sense about guns, if you have concerns.

robin  posted on  2008-04-16   23:34:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#30)

Like 6 year olds should not own guns? I call that common sense.

Whoa, back up young lady. Who determines that "6" is too young?? Parents, that's who. I got my first rifle when I was 10, and I felt left behind because a few of my friends got their first rifle before they were 10.

It's up to PARENTS to determine when a child is responsible enough to have their very own gun. Some younger, some older, but the GOVERNMENT has NO RIGHT to interfere with that PARENTAL DECISION.

I think ALL children should be instructed in safe firearm handling and given a gun if and when they exhibit the proper level of responsiblity.

Is my regional/cultural bias showing ;-)??

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