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Title: 'Hunters & Shooters' endorse Obama, group says he supports gun rights
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hunte ... dorses_Obama_says_he_0416.html
Published: Apr 16, 2008
Author: Nick Juliano
Post Date: 2008-04-16 13:59:52 by robin
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Views: 882
Comments: 63
The American Hunters & Shooters Association said Obama's views of the 2nd Amendment have been unfairly criticized and its endorsement comes as Obama's opponents are characterizing him as an "elitist" and condescending towards gun-owners. The group sets itself apart from the "more extreme" elements of the pro-gun lobby like the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America. Unlike them, AHSA favors some gun-control measures like background checks and required safety courses for concealed weapons permits. (The NRA has accused the group of being a front for the anti-gun lobby.) Ray Schoenke, the hunters association's president, cited Obama's support of an amendment to a Department of Homeland Security funding bill that would prevent the government from confiscating citizens' guns during an emergency. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, and 16 other senators voted against the amendment. "She turned her back on America's gun owners," Schoenke said during a conference call organized by the Obama campaign Wednesday. Schoenke said the group reached out to the Obama campaign several weeks ago, before the recent controversy surrounding his comments about small-town voters. In announcing their support in the midst of the controversy, though, the group hoped to "set the record straight," about Obama's support of an individual's right to gun ownership, he said. "We understand that the gun issue is going to be very important in this election," said Bob Ricker, the group's executive director, citing an ongoing Supreme Court case regarding a handgun ban in Washington, DC. "Up until this time, the candidates haven't really been willing to talk about guns."
Less than a week after coming under fire for saying small-town Pennsylvanians "cling to" gun rights, Barack Obama picked up the endorsement of a pro-gun association that has backed Democratic candidates in the past.
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#4. To: robin (#0)
Are you serious? The NRA and GOA "extreme"? Do you agree these groups are extreme, robin?
I don't know enough about them, but I do recall someone here saying the NRA was a front. Ray Schoenke, the hunters association's president, cited Obama's support of an amendment to a Department of Homeland Security funding bill that would prevent the government from confiscating citizens' guns during an emergency. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, and 16 other senators voted against the amendment. "She turned her back on America's gun owners," Schoenke said during a conference call organized by the Obama campaign Wednesday. This I did not know, did you?
Well let me help you robin. There isn't a sole on this forum who'd say the NRA or the GAO is extreme, except for the president of The American Hunters & Shooters Association, who is Democrat politician wannabe.
Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance. Novak: Obama's Second- Amendment Dance. A nuanced position. At least if Novak is to be believed, Hillary has never taken Obama's position that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.
Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms" applies to individuals, not just the "well regulated militia" in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance. He doesn't believe in an individual right to keep and bear arms. Obama believes in local "common sense" restrictions on guns (whatever that means). Novak hasn't received an answer on his position regarding the current DC Supreme Court case that is pending, or what he specifically means by local "common sense" restrictions. Nice try.
Like 6 year olds should not own guns? I call that common sense. It might be worth pursuing what Obama thinks is common sense about guns, if you have concerns.
suppose a "common sense" restriction were applied to the 1st amendment or any other? whose "common sense?" the fact is Obama's position on the 2nd amendment is a bastardization of its meaning and purpose.
#34. To: christine (#33)
Christine, your pal robin is too far gone I fear...
Isn't the legal recourse of pursuing someone for slander or libel a "common sense" restriction to the 1st Amendment? And people are not allowed to shout through bullhorns where ever they like. That's what I would call an example of a common sense restriction to the 1st Amendment. Nixon once described our liberties as the ability to swing our arms as much as we like so long as we don't hit anyone else.
The article mentions this common sense.
Actually, it is. The Supreme Court has held that it is proper to punish, among other things, shouting "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe group sets itself apart from the "more extreme" elements of the pro-gun lobby like the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#24. To: robin (#21)
I don't know enough about them, but I do recall someone here saying the NRA was a front.
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation's capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.
#29. To: aristeides (#25)
From the article;
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)
In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local "common sense" restrictions on firearms.
#33. To: robin (#30)
Replies to Comment # 33. "Ohhhh, yeahhhhh"
#37. To: christine (#33)
#43. To: christine (#33)
Ray Schoenke, the hunters association's president, cited Obama's support of an amendment to a Department of Homeland Security funding bill that would prevent the government from confiscating citizens' guns during an emergency. Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, and 16 other senators voted against the amendment.
#61. To: christine (#33)
suppose a "common sense" restriction were applied to the 1st amendment or any other?
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