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Title: Clinton-Obama Debate 4-16-2008
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb6P4JJbe9k
Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: yd2008
Post Date: 2008-04-17 05:23:24 by nolu_chan
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Comments: 13
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From DU: http://tinyurl.com/58byng Dbdmjs1022 (55 posts) For those who didn't see, the debate in a nutshell Mod: Senator Clinton, how do you feel about Iraq? Mod: Senator Obama, why do you hate America? Mod: Senator Clinton, do you feel that poor people should have more money? Mod: Sen. Obama, when was the last time you and Reverend Wright plotted to blow up an Embassy? Mod: Senator Clinton, what is your kitten agenda Mod: Senator Obama, someone you went to grade school with was arrested 8 years ago for kicking a kitten. Why do you hate kittens? Mod: Senator Clinton, tell us exactly how brave you were in overcoming your husband's adultery? Mod: Senator Obama, it's all over the internet that you are an evil Muslim elitist terrorist. Why are you an evil Muslim elitist terrorist? Mod: We have to take a commercial. Senator Clinton, we realize that we haven't paid enough attention to you and we deeply apologize.
The two clowns both advanced the notion of an Imperial Presidency when the Israel question came up. Hillary would extend a NATO-like umbrella over the Middle East and strike back "massively" if the Motherland were attacked. Obama forwarded similar assurances, neither one bothering to mention the Constitutional requirement of a declaration of war. I suppose this is another core value the O'philes will slip under the rug and ignore.
I am all for changing the war powers of the presidency to give whomever inhabits the White House behaves in the proper checks and balances of power manner. I assume the two talked in the context of the current war making paradigm when speaking hypothetically. But if either feel in the aftermath of Bush's abuses people should stand for the status quo concerning war making to stay the same, they would be foolish, to say the least. We should not be fighting in Iraq, and the Presidential War Powers Act passed in the wake of the Vietnam misadventure of a war has not proved to be a wise thing to do. To say the least.
By changing I assume you mean a return to a formal declaration of war? You'd abandon the War Powers Act?
I support pulling much of the teeth of or repealing the War Powers Act. I do not support the sort of foreign entanglement that promotes ideology and imperialism as this Iraqi war does. I also support making it easier to remove from office, charge and bring to trial people such as the scoff laws in this Administration and who were part of this current illegal and immoral war and share the blame in it. I understand the POTUS has to have some leverage and prerogative to handle emergencies. But there is a complete end run being done on the Constitution in the name of that act, and it is important to make sure that can never, ever happen again.
I agree, and the current D controlled congress could do two things immediately; 1) stop funding the war, and 2) enact the WPA immediately, restricting the continuation of troop deployment despite any presidential veto. If they wont do this while Bush is in office, why would anyone think they'd do it should Obama become president?
1) Different standard. 2) War profiteering should not suffer based on who sits in the WH.
As a country, the USA has deeply injured the world and it's a national obligation to right that wrong as much as possible. For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book. -- Pinguinite http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78060&Disp=44#C44
Thanks for posting.
'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz
This differs from the GOP how? I guess this is the lack of core values the GOPers want to slip under the rug and ignore. There is nothing more stridently Israel-first than the Neo-Cons who control the GOP. I guess maybe there is a difference. Clinton/Obama talk about a response to an attack. Cheney/McCain talk about wait, hell, bomb bomb bomb. I believe what Obama actually said was that if Israel were attacked, the U.S. would make an "appropriate response," which could mean anything or nothing. Hillary promised a massive response.
The Dems lack a 2/3 majority to overcome a Bush veto. After Bush, they would need 60% majority in the Senate to force a bill to an up or down vote, so they might not be able to do it even then, assuming they tried.
The "elitist" Barack took his Harvard diploma and went back to the mean streets of Chicago. The Machiavellian Hillary took her Yale diploma and immediately began her chase for the almighty dollar and her pursuit of a royal ascension to the Presidency.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
He'd dead meat after that performance Wednesday night. He did a Dan Quayle.
I hope you don't play the ponies, JT.
I cling to hope of a 50 state repudiation of the traitorous, neocon Plutocrat Party
Thu Apr-17-08 12:19 AM
Hillary: I feel we should leave.
Obama: I love America, it's been good to me.
Hillary: Absolutely
Obama: Can't we just talk about the issues instead of this tabloid stuff?
Hillary: I feel kittens are soft and fluffy and should be cared for.
Obama: How is this relevant at all?
Hillary: i was very brave. God helped me.
Obama: I'm not. And weren't you just asking me about my CHRISTIAN pastor?
Mod: The one you blow up embassies with?
Obama: What? Are you serious.
Hillary: Quite alright.
#2. To: nolu_chan (#0)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Obama for president 2008
#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
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Obama for president 2008
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
If they wont do this while Bush is in office, why would anyone think they'd do it should Obama become president?
#8. To: nolu_chan, *Obama 2008* (#0)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
I suppose this is another core value the O'philes will slip under the rug and ignore.
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
If they wont do this while Bush is in office, why would anyone think they'd do it should Obama become president?
#11. To: nolu_chan (#1)
#12. To: iconoclast (#11)
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
He'd dead meat after that performance Wednesday night. He did a Dan Quayle.
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