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Title: Clinton vows 'massive' U.S. retaliation if Iran attacks Israel (OBAMA: "APPROPRIATE ACTION")
Source: Ha'aretz
URL Source: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/976033.html
Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: Shmuel Rosner
Post Date: 2008-04-17 15:31:52 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 538
Comments: 29

Clinton vows 'massive' U.S. retaliation if Iran attacks Israel

By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent

Speaking at the Democratic Presidential debate Wednesday, U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton threatened to launch a "massive retaliation" if Iran decided to attack Israel.

"I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel," she responded to a question on this matter. "Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States," the presidential hopeful added.

The Democratic debate was held five days before the crucial primary vote in Pennsylvania, and the two candidates were trying to make a last pitch to the voters. It was a contentious debate, and Clinton's rival, Senator Barak Obama, was getting most of the attention.

Obama fielded tough questions dealing with past controversies, including the one surrounding controversial remarks made by the pastor of the senator's church, Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

On the question of Iran Obama took a softer stance than his rival, saying "I think it is very important that Iran understands that an attack on Israel is an attack on our strongest ally in the region" and that "I would consider an attack unacceptable, and the United States would take appropriate action."

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#15. To: aristeides (#0)

She's just following hubby's example:

“I WOULD GRAB A RIFLE AND GET IN THE TRENCH…”

Bubba: I'd fight and die for Israel By Andy Geller and Richard Johnson The New York Post August 2, 2002

Bill Clinton – who avoided serving in Vietnam – says he would take up arms and "fight and die" for Israel if Iraq attacks the Jewish state.

"If Iraq came across the Jordan River, I would grab a rifle and get in the trench and fight and die," the ex-president said to wild applause at a Jewish fund-raiser in Toronto.

Clinton made his bombshell remarks to 350 people who paid $1,000 to break bread with him on Monday night at a dinner for the Toronto Hadassah-WIZO children's charity.

Clinton, who tried but failed to make peace in the Middle East the legacy of his presidency, decried the current cycle of violence in Israel.

"I don't think there is a military solution to this," he said. "But I know there's not a terrorist solution to it."

Clinton also said he disagreed with President Bush that peace can be achieved only when Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is gone from power.

Nevertheless, he said it is important for the United States to remain involved because "Israelis believe that America is the only big country that cares if they live or die."

The ex-president said the best solution to the Middle East conflict is an interim settlement that would "establish a Palestinian state now."

But he stressed that the creation of such a state must be preceded by security assurances for Israel and a timetable to resolve other issues.

Clinton said Arafat made a "disastrous mistake" by turning down past peace proposals that would have given the Palestinian leader control of 97 percent of the West Bank.

Yet, Clinton said, "There is reason for hope.

"I think this will be resolved on the terms the Palestinians walked away from."

Clinton couldn't be reached for comment yesterday because he was on a plane to Aspen, Colo., his spokeswoman said.

Clinton, who opposed the Vietnam War, signed up for the ROTC to avoid immediate induction when he received a draft call in 1969.

He later changed his mind about the ROTC and decided to take his chances with the new draft lottery.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-04-17   16:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#15)

We're being ruled by the insane.

Bill Re-Tells Hillary57;s 56;Marines Rejected Me57; Lie

From (the dogged) Jake Tapper at ABC News:

Bill Clinton Says Hillary Tried to Join the Army

April 02, 2008

70; Possibly to avoid being one-upped on Indiana national security politics, former President Bill Clinton told a crowd in Columbus, Indiana, today that his wife had tried to join the Army.

"I remember when we were young, right out of law school, she went down and tried to join the Army and they said 56;Your eyes are so bad, nobody will take you,57;" he said, after heralding her record on issues of concern to the military, such as body armor and access to health care.

You can hear an audio excerpt of Mr. Clinton once again regurgitating this preposterous claim at the link.

But as longtime Clinton watchers will remember, this is an old lie from Hillary. A claim that oddly enough never made it into her ghostwritten autobiography.

Indeed, the transcript of her remarks appears to have been scrubbed from Lexis-Nexus. Though Rush Limbaugh still has an audio recording of her remarks.

A near contemporary account from Maureen Dowd (of all people) at the New York Times captures her blatant lie the historic moment:

Hillary Clinton Says She Once Tried to Be Marine

June 15, 1994

By MAUREEN DOWD

The First Lady has offered a kaleidoscope of images to the public, but today she added the most curious one yet: Private Hillary.

Speaking at a lunch on Capitol Hill honoring military women, Hillary Rodham Clinton said that she once visited a recruiting office in Arkansas to inquire about joining the Marines.

She told the group gathered for lunch in the Dirksen Office Building, according to The Associated Press, that she became interested in the military in 1975, the year she married Bill Clinton and the year she was teaching at the University of Arkansas law school in Fayetteville.

She was 27 then, she said, and the Marine recruiter was about 21. She was interested in joining either the active forces or the reserves, she recalled, but was swiftly rebuffed by the recruiter, who took a dim view of her age and her thick glasses. 56;Not Very Encouraging57;

"You57;re too old, you can57;t see and you57;re a woman," Mrs. Clinton said she was told, adding that the recruiter dismissed her by suggesting she try the Army. "Maybe the dogs would take you," she recalled the recruiter saying.

"It was not a very encouraging conversation," she said. "I decided maybe I57;ll look for another way to serve my country."

Mrs. Clinton offered the story to illustrate how far women had come. She said that "it was not an isolated situation" for women to be turned away by military recruiters. And she lauded efforts to bring women into more aspects of military service70;.

Mrs. Clinton told friends that she had moved to Arkansas for only one reason: to be with Bill Clinton. Years later, she would tell Vanity Fair that she had stayed because "I didn57;t see anything out there that I thought was more exciting or challenging than what I had in front of me."

She and Mr. Clinton married on Oct. 11, 1975 in Fayetteville.

So, if she was talking to a Marine recruiter in 1975 before the marriage, was she briefly considering joining the few, the proud and the brave of the corps as an alternative to life with Mr. Clinton, who was already being widely touted as a sure thing for Arkansas Attorney General?

Neal Lattimore, Mrs. Clinton57;s spokesman, said her visit to the recruiter had to be seen in the context of her dedication to public service.

"I57;m never surprised when Mrs. Clinton is doing something service oriented," he said. "She was just taking in all her options, saying 56;This is where I am in my life, this is what fits into my life right now.57; "

But she had moved to Arkansas to be with Mr. Clinton, so why was she thinking about joining the Marines?

"Maybe she was thinking about the J.A.G. Corps," he said, referring to the legal branch of the service. "She was exploring all her options, the National Guard, everything."

In addition to the obvious inconsistencies that Ms. Dowd points out, it must be noted that the military had no proscription against taking anyone whose eyesight could be corrected with glasses 52; unless they sought to be pilots.

And certainly 27 was not too old to join up. Moreover, any service branch would have jumped at the chance to get a Yale law school graduate.

Heck, the Marines even took pregnant women.

But of course it was just a harmless lie told to women who really had served their country. A white lie that the then First Lady thought no one would notice.

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-04-17   16:58:05 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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And certainly 27 was not too old to join up. Moreover, any service branch would have jumped at the chance to get a Yale law school graduate.

We all know that Yale law grads are made Generals at once in the Navy, in Clintons case she could have been a "Vice admiral in charge of, what else, vice?

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