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Title: Quiz Time: (Hypothetical Question)
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Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2008-04-17 21:33:40 by Pinguinite
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Views: 919
Comments: 73

Okay, 4umers, quiz time.

I've got a hypothetical question for you. Suppose you were in a funny situation where you had the opportunity to reconstitute the 2nd Amendment, doing away with all 20,000 or so gun laws. The power was in your hands to make it so.

But there's one catch. In order to make this wish come true, you first had to pick up a gun, put it to the head of an innocent 7 year old girl, and pull the trigger, blowing her brains out. With that task completed, the 2nd Amendment would be restored all across America.

Would you do it? If your answer is "yes" then this quiz is over for you. You may resume your perusing of 4um and disregard the rest of the test.

If your answer is no, then we'll expand our hypothetical scenario.

After you refuse to kill this girl, someone else steps up and says "I am also interested in restoring the 2nd Amendment, and I am willing to do what must be done for you. If I am elected president, I will shoot this girl and then the 2nd Amendment will be restored".

Question: Do you vote for this man or not?

It would seem that some people here on 4um would happily endorse the death of this girl one way or another in order to restore 2nd Amendment rights. I am not one of those people, which is why a couple days ago I wrote the following:

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

This apparently earned me the label of "gun grabber" in the minds of a few here.

I honestly don't know why. Honestly. Does the phrase "expense of lives of innocents" mean something other than "murder" to people here?

I really feel like I've entered the twilight zone. You know, where the whole world changes but you don't. In this case, it's like learning suddenly that a bunch of 4umers would indeed blow the brains of of a little girl if it helped to secure some of their own "liberties". I am really amazed that a number of people here take exception to my statement.

As this hypothetical scenario applies to the real world, if there was a pres candidate promising to work to fully restore the 2nd Amendment in the USA while simultaneously promising to bomb the rest of the world into oblivion, I could not in good conscious vote for him. Call me crazy or call me a gun grabber if you want, but if not being willing to kill this way makes me a gun grabber, then I hope I'm a gun grabber for life. But I would not, could not support such a "pro 2nd Amendment" candidate. Never.

If I am truly in the minority on this point on 4um, then perhaps I should resign my account and leave you all.

Thank you for reading.

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#12. To: Pinguinite (#0)

I really feel like I've entered the twilight zone. You know, where the whole world changes but you don't. In this case, it's like learning suddenly that a bunch of 4umers would indeed blow the brains of of a little girl if it helped to secure some of their own "liberties". I am really amazed that a number of people here take exception to my statement.

I'm amazed that some people think that voting for a canidate the will both trample their rights and kill the little girl (Or just mutilate her with a knife, depends on what the focus group advises) is the better choice.

The peace at any cost and "lesser evil" crowd will be the death of humanity.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-04-17   22:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#12)

The peace at any cost and "lesser evil" crowd will be the death of humanity.

No, for me it's not peace at any cost. The question here is the 2nd amendment at the cost of murder. Is it worth it?

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-17   22:38:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#24)

No, for me it's not peace at any cost. The question here is the 2nd amendment at the cost of murder. Is it worth it?

No.

Not because the cost is not worth it, but because it changes nothing.

Roll back the laws, so what? Within a few generations the same laws will be back on the books and then some and we'll be right back at the same point as right now. The political nature of the problem, insisting that someone we've never met or poses a threat to us must die to safeguard our rights, remains unchanged.

Either way, sooner or later the leadership will get around to killing that child. After all, that child is one of the greatest threats to world peace and threatens our allies. So I've been told.

Defending ones rights is not murder. If anything, we're at the junction because Americans have refused to defend them. The inaction of the American people as a whole have already sealed that child's fate.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-04-17   23:02:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#27)

Roll back the laws, so what? Within a few generations the same laws will be back on the books and then some and we'll be right back at the same point as right now.

You're absolutely right. But this touches on one of the points I was trying to make later in that thread, and that is that, compared to the reality of actively killing people, laws are quite ethereal in nature. I was basically saying "who cares what the laws say. You can keep your guns no matter what. But stop the damn killing".

Those I addressed were apparently not impressed.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-04-17 23:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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