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Title: Quiz Time: (Hypothetical Question)
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Published: Apr 17, 2008
Author: Neil McIver
Post Date: 2008-04-17 21:33:40 by Pinguinite
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Views: 2930
Comments: 73

Okay, 4umers, quiz time.

I've got a hypothetical question for you. Suppose you were in a funny situation where you had the opportunity to reconstitute the 2nd Amendment, doing away with all 20,000 or so gun laws. The power was in your hands to make it so.

But there's one catch. In order to make this wish come true, you first had to pick up a gun, put it to the head of an innocent 7 year old girl, and pull the trigger, blowing her brains out. With that task completed, the 2nd Amendment would be restored all across America.

Would you do it? If your answer is "yes" then this quiz is over for you. You may resume your perusing of 4um and disregard the rest of the test.

If your answer is no, then we'll expand our hypothetical scenario.

After you refuse to kill this girl, someone else steps up and says "I am also interested in restoring the 2nd Amendment, and I am willing to do what must be done for you. If I am elected president, I will shoot this girl and then the 2nd Amendment will be restored".

Question: Do you vote for this man or not?

It would seem that some people here on 4um would happily endorse the death of this girl one way or another in order to restore 2nd Amendment rights. I am not one of those people, which is why a couple days ago I wrote the following:

For us to try to safeguard our 2nd Amendment rights at the expense of lives of innocents worldwide doesn't fly in my book.

This apparently earned me the label of "gun grabber" in the minds of a few here.

I honestly don't know why. Honestly. Does the phrase "expense of lives of innocents" mean something other than "murder" to people here?

I really feel like I've entered the twilight zone. You know, where the whole world changes but you don't. In this case, it's like learning suddenly that a bunch of 4umers would indeed blow the brains of of a little girl if it helped to secure some of their own "liberties". I am really amazed that a number of people here take exception to my statement.

As this hypothetical scenario applies to the real world, if there was a pres candidate promising to work to fully restore the 2nd Amendment in the USA while simultaneously promising to bomb the rest of the world into oblivion, I could not in good conscious vote for him. Call me crazy or call me a gun grabber if you want, but if not being willing to kill this way makes me a gun grabber, then I hope I'm a gun grabber for life. But I would not, could not support such a "pro 2nd Amendment" candidate. Never.

If I am truly in the minority on this point on 4um, then perhaps I should resign my account and leave you all.

Thank you for reading.

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#2. To: Pinguinite (#0)

The rights are not given by the constitution and they don't exist simply because they are written there. The bill of rights recorded the rights the free people of 250 years ago had secured for themselves at the time. 250 years later, we live in a much changed world.

The constitution is like the bible. They are open for interpretation with the original meanings close to completely irrelevant.

Oh... the second amendment? Today's interpretation: if you live in a place that's not too crowded, you may own some low-powered weapon that must be no much to what the government can throw at you if you get too nasty. You are allowed to defend yourself from burglars but if you only look like you are thinking about threatening a gov't thug... you are dead, dead, dead.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-17   21:44:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2)

The constitution is like the bible. They are open for interpretation with the original meanings close to completely irrelevant.

It has two problems that I've been able to see: vague language, and some passages that appear to open loopholes to tyrants.

It doesn't go far enough, and because of this, you may well see every last remaining liberty taken from you. It could happen in your lifetime.

buckeye  posted on  2008-04-17   21:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: buckeye (#4)

One good example of vagueness is the 2d amendment itself. What is a 'well regulated militia?' anyway? But it's funny that today's political midgets, including the ones that are FOR gun rights only dare talk about hunting.

Quite pathetic, don't you agree?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-04-17 22:17:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeye (#4)

It has two problems that I've been able to see: vague language, and some passages that appear to open loopholes to tyrants.

The problem is language by its nature is vague. And we can see today that the efforts of the founders to qualify the 2nd has been used to try to limit it. (I.e. the second was referring to the National Guard).

I'm sure the founders could have done better, but I don't think it was possible for them to make it bulletproof. (No pun intended).

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